Martin Daoust
22 Jul 2008, 08:47 AM
Let me first make this clear - I will be here no matter how disgustingly some people behave. No matter what you think of me or my views , Arsenal is my football club and I will not turn my back on my club because some people think there is only one definifiton of what a Gooner is or should think and say, and will say and do anything to force people to conform to their ideals of what a Gooner by trying to bully and intimdate and slander those who do not.
Well that won't work. This is my football club as much as it is yours and nothing will change that - not even some people's cowardly behavior. The same goes for any Gooners who do not conform to your vision of a proper Gooner. I have tried to be the grown up here and not take the bait, not sink to your level, not take part in a flaming war, and not behave toward you as you have toward me. I even tried to reason with you about moderating your behavior.
In truth I guess some people should follow their own advice - the advice they lacked the courage to post directly for all to see. People like Anti are gutless cowards. Say anything to try to win an argument any way they can but if they ever had to back it up I doubt we'd ever hear them say a single word. People like Anti haven't got the guts to tell people to eat shit and die to their faces or where they might face any other consequences. I would if that's how I chose to be tell you that right here and now damn the consequences. But I won't because I do not want people treating me that way so I have no right to, even if you deserve that and then some.
People like Anti have no thought for the consequences of anything they say or do because they will never have to look anyone they treat in this way in the eye – least of all someone they make these allegations about and it turns out to be true not about them but someone they love, or even where it is true somehow about the person he is referring to ( I say somehow because without sinking to his level I have a feeling Anti isn’t an expert about ANYBODY’S mental health , including perhaps, his own. I’m not enough of an expert to say for sure, but I do have that hunch) and it could have serious consequences – even consequences Anti actually wouldn’t intend., quite possibly
But that wouldn’t stop Anti – winning his argument by any means necessary is his sole purpose behind this behavior.. I have no brief with his desire to win arguments – lord knows how could I ? It’s the tactics he will shamelessly stoop to in order to do so that are so gutless and cowardly. Say anything to discredit the person making the argument, especially if you cannot discredit the argument.
We can all do that in the heat of the argument, but what Anti and other like him do is go that extra step, to attack a person personally using baseless claims and accusations of a far more offensive nature than is appropriate - especially without actual knowledge of the person in question usually and almost certainly without actual knowledge of the claim they are making about the person in every instance.
Everybody knows the debate that has set all of Anti’s conduct in motion in this instance . I won’t dredge that here except to say Anti and others have and will conduct these dirty cowardly personal attacks on the character of people they don’t know to try and convince themselves and others their views are right,whether they are or not, and to bully and intimidate those who disagree with them into silence – again all to try and assure themselves they are right And if they turn out wrong about what they say they don't even have the guts to admit it or apologize for it - like men do...
Antifan – frankly AntiMAN is more like it from your behavior - I feel sorry if you have children counting on you to be their example of how to treat other people properly. For them, and, believe or not., for you. And if he has grown children I feel worse because its too late for you to even try to teach them any better. I tried to deal with you as an adult and ignore you since mature civil communication had become impossible, but it’s time someone actually stood up and told you what you are - not made some false claim they don’t have to prove. You are an obscene coward and bully. Your own posts prove that. Why you are…well I’m not a doctor and wouldn’t pretend to be nor am I some amateur therapist like you, so I don’t know. And I don’t care. Just grow up already. I wish it hadn't come to this but you pushed and pushed and pushed. You wanted this and now you've got it.
Its true - you can't discuss religion or politics - or football with some people...Shame really - we might actually have gotten on quite well otherwise. Not that we'll ever know now.
EDIT: Feel free to lock the thread at any time. Anti and others have had rtheir chance to actually discuss things and chose not to. I'm not interested in anything any of them has to say to try and justify or excuse their childish conduct that breaks for froum rules really.
Well that won't work. This is my football club as much as it is yours and nothing will change that - not even some people's cowardly behavior. The same goes for any Gooners who do not conform to your vision of a proper Gooner. I have tried to be the grown up here and not take the bait, not sink to your level, not take part in a flaming war, and not behave toward you as you have toward me. I even tried to reason with you about moderating your behavior.
In truth I guess some people should follow their own advice - the advice they lacked the courage to post directly for all to see. People like Anti are gutless cowards. Say anything to try to win an argument any way they can but if they ever had to back it up I doubt we'd ever hear them say a single word. People like Anti haven't got the guts to tell people to eat shit and die to their faces or where they might face any other consequences. I would if that's how I chose to be tell you that right here and now damn the consequences. But I won't because I do not want people treating me that way so I have no right to, even if you deserve that and then some.
People like Anti have no thought for the consequences of anything they say or do because they will never have to look anyone they treat in this way in the eye – least of all someone they make these allegations about and it turns out to be true not about them but someone they love, or even where it is true somehow about the person he is referring to ( I say somehow because without sinking to his level I have a feeling Anti isn’t an expert about ANYBODY’S mental health , including perhaps, his own. I’m not enough of an expert to say for sure, but I do have that hunch) and it could have serious consequences – even consequences Anti actually wouldn’t intend., quite possibly
But that wouldn’t stop Anti – winning his argument by any means necessary is his sole purpose behind this behavior.. I have no brief with his desire to win arguments – lord knows how could I ? It’s the tactics he will shamelessly stoop to in order to do so that are so gutless and cowardly. Say anything to discredit the person making the argument, especially if you cannot discredit the argument.
We can all do that in the heat of the argument, but what Anti and other like him do is go that extra step, to attack a person personally using baseless claims and accusations of a far more offensive nature than is appropriate - especially without actual knowledge of the person in question usually and almost certainly without actual knowledge of the claim they are making about the person in every instance.
Everybody knows the debate that has set all of Anti’s conduct in motion in this instance . I won’t dredge that here except to say Anti and others have and will conduct these dirty cowardly personal attacks on the character of people they don’t know to try and convince themselves and others their views are right,whether they are or not, and to bully and intimidate those who disagree with them into silence – again all to try and assure themselves they are right And if they turn out wrong about what they say they don't even have the guts to admit it or apologize for it - like men do...
Antifan – frankly AntiMAN is more like it from your behavior - I feel sorry if you have children counting on you to be their example of how to treat other people properly. For them, and, believe or not., for you. And if he has grown children I feel worse because its too late for you to even try to teach them any better. I tried to deal with you as an adult and ignore you since mature civil communication had become impossible, but it’s time someone actually stood up and told you what you are - not made some false claim they don’t have to prove. You are an obscene coward and bully. Your own posts prove that. Why you are…well I’m not a doctor and wouldn’t pretend to be nor am I some amateur therapist like you, so I don’t know. And I don’t care. Just grow up already. I wish it hadn't come to this but you pushed and pushed and pushed. You wanted this and now you've got it.
Its true - you can't discuss religion or politics - or football with some people...Shame really - we might actually have gotten on quite well otherwise. Not that we'll ever know now.
EDIT: Feel free to lock the thread at any time. Anti and others have had rtheir chance to actually discuss things and chose not to. I'm not interested in anything any of them has to say to try and justify or excuse their childish conduct that breaks for froum rules really.