Worldclass players willing to be "depth"...Transfers

[Cannon]

continue the hopeless quest here ;)

[mintone]

A better name would have been "I believe that children are our future-Transfer thread"


Edit: Oh first post!

[Martin Daoust]

A better nam would have been "I believe that childeren are our future-Transfer thread"

Nice one!

[DaPrince84]

I will continue this discussion

Because Paddy didn't track back as much as you want to think.

because it had nothing to do with age? that is my point... we sold Vieira when he was damn near done (hasnt been nearly as good since he left)... I dont think its fair to mention that Vieira/Cesc didnt work when those two were on very different levels in their playing careers, and where not in their footballing primes...

A better name would have been "I believe that childeren are our future-Transfer thread"


Edit: Oh first post!
LMAO

[Aftathot]

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=news&article=494064&cpid=703&title=Francis%20Coquelin%20signs%20professional%20terms

Francis Coquelin signs professional terms

Arsenal have signed French midfield player Francis Coquelin on professional terms.

The 17-year-old has joined from SASP Stade Lavallois Mayeene MFC.
[ Friday, July 18, 2008]

[arsenalgirl30016]

A better name would have been "I believe that children are our future-Transfer thread"


Edit: Oh first post!
Teach them well and let them lead the way...show them all the beauty they possess inside...give them a sense of pride......

Or something like "If you show them the money, they will come" :rolleyes:

[rwb44]

I will continue this discussion


because it had nothing to do with age? that is my point... we sold Vieira when he was damn near done (hasnt been nearly as good since he left)... I dont think its fair to mention that Vieira/Cesc didnt work when those two were on very different levels in their playing careers, and where not in their footballing primes...


LMAO

We need a box to box CM who can tackle. We are actually better off with a Flamini or PV4 box to box guy than with a DM sitting in front of the back 4 like Gilberto. It gives Cesc freedom to roam and pins back the opposition's midfield a bit. THAT SAID, Diaby is nowhere near ready for that role. He can't tackle. He can learn, but is that what we want to pin our hopes on?

A bleedin' AM learning to tackle? Let's see.
Man U: Carrick and Hargreaves (Anderson can get stuck in too actually)
Pool: Macherano and Alonso
Chelsea: Makalele, Lampard, Ballack, Obi

NOW ARSENAL: Diaby (hope he can learn), Denilson (hope he can gain 20 lbs), Song (Miss u at the Olympics).

Now, if you are arguing that someday Diaby could be the perfect partner for Cesc. Sure, spot on and a great possibility. BUT, if we are pinning our hope for THIS SEASON on Diaby. INSANITY.

[Flyemirates2491]

We need a box to box CM who can tackle. We are actually better off with a Flamini or PV4 box to box guy than with a DM sitting in front of the back 4 like Gilberto. It gives Cesc freedom to roam and pins back the opposition's midfield a bit. THAT SAID, Diaby is nowhere near ready for that role. He can't tackle. He can learn, but is that what we want to pin our hopes on?

A bleedin' AM learning to tackle? Let's see.
Man U: Carrick and Hargreaves (Anderson can get stuck in too actually)
Pool: Macherano and Alonso
Chelsea: Makalele, Lampard, Ballack, Obi

NOW ARSENAL: Diaby (hope he can learn), Denilson (hope he can gain 20 lbs), Song (Miss u at the Olympics).

Now, if you are arguing that someday Diaby could be the perfect partner for Cesc. Sure, spot on and a great possibility. BUT, if we are pinning our hope for THIS SEASON on Diaby. INSANITY.
no one is suggesting this. Writing him off is just as dumb though.

[rwb44]

What I really gained from Wenger's quotes today is confirmation of what those close to the club have said for years: Wenger hates unhappy players.

Why did we sell Diarra? Because he was unhappy and we couldn't take it. Many a club would have said "shut up and sit your turn."

I mean, this is like Deja Vu. I've been reading Arsenal Message board since the Professor took over and since about 01' the main concern is: We are not deep enough and we need another CB. EVERY SUMMER.

Wenger won't address depth because it makes him uncomfortable. So between that and our stadium finances, he buys young players who won't moan and sells the older ones who expect playing time. I think people underestimate this factor.

Personally, it pisses me off and is not way to run a team or business (which at Arsenal is one and the same). Until Flamini was signed, no one should have been sold. Instead of having to pay 15mm quid for Barry or 20 for Veloso, we would have had a ready made replacement in Diarra once Flamini left. But that is our Professor and you take the good with the bad.

[rwb44]

no one is suggesting this. Writing him off is just as dumb though.

UM YES, plenty here have said: we don't need Barry or Veloso, let's use Diaby or Denilson. So, to those people, please read above.

[Flyemirates2491]

What I really gained from Wenger's quotes today is confirmation of what those close to the club have said for years: Wenger hates unhappy players.

Why did we sell Diarra? Because he was unhappy and we couldn't take it. Many a club would have said "shut up and sit your turn."

I mean, this is like Deja Vu. I've been reading Arsenal Message board since the Professor took over and since about 01' the main concern is: We are not deep enough and we need another CB. EVERY SUMMER.

Wenger won't address depth because it makes him uncomfortable. So between that and our stadium finances, he buys young players who won't moan and sells the older ones who expect playing time. I think people underestimate this factor.


Personally, it pisses me off and is not way to run a team or business (which at Arsenal is one and the same). Until Flamini was signed, no one should have been sold. Instead of having to pay 15mm quid for Barry or 20 for Veloso, we would have had a ready made replacement in Diarra once Flamini left. But that is our Professor and you take the good with the bad.I really think that letting diarra go was good decision. We'd love him now, but the guy had no care for the team, and wanted out. Those types just bring down moral, and show little strength of character.

[Flyemirates2491]

UM YES, plenty here have said: we don't need Barry or Veloso, let's use Diaby or Denilson. So, to those people, please read above.
I think everybody would be happy with some depth there.

[arsenalgirl30016]

UM YES, plenty here have said: we don't need Barry or Veloso, let's use Diaby or Denilson. So, to those people, please read above.
If we aren't prepared to use players who have been in the system for 2+ years, then when are we going to bleed them and let them into the 1st team?

[rwb44]

I really think that letting diarra go was good decision. We'd love him now, but the guy had no care for the team, and wanted out. Those types just bring down moral, and show little strength of character.

Oh really, you mean like keeping your French DM who courted Madrid every summer? Then making him captain

Or keeping your Togolese striker who's been begging to go to Milan or Barca?

That's always great for Morale.

Selling your Captain two summers straight. Great morale booster.

Please. Big clubs (truly big clubs) have competition for spots. That means some players get their feelings hurt. But if the discontent of backup will shake up your entire team morale, then you neve had much to begin with.

Right now, Diarra would start (and thus be happy) while we waited for Diaby to magically turn into Vieira and we'd be able to use that extra 10-15 m quid on another attacking midfielder or CB.

I think you'll find that Diarra was not the first player to ever be unhappy about his playing time.

[rwb44]

If we aren't prepared to use players who have been in the system for 2+ years, then when are we going to bleed them and let them into the 1st team?

So what is our priority? Bleeding youth or winning games?

If our plan is to be great in 2010, then bleeding youth is a great idea. But the problem is, we've been "bleeding youth" for 3-4 years. How long can a team be in transition? Are we Ajax? Is that our goal? Blood promising youth and sell them when they become great?

I am sorry, but competition brings out the best (evey hear of capitalism?) When everyone is competing for one spot, the cream rises. So at a "big club" either you win your spot against the top talent in the world, or you sit on your butt and wait.

Again, are we Barca's youth club or are we trying to win something.

[wanye_stirrear]

A better name would have been "I believe that children are our future-Transfer thread"


Edit: Oh first post!

Okay, if you say so. However, the truth is that next year the average age of the starting line-up next will be 25 years old (and that's with putting Diaby as the other CM). That is actually the prime age for players. Also, when you look at that closely, the players bringing that age down are Cesc, Diaby, Nasri, and Clichy. Those aren't players that anyone is asking to be replaced.

Now if you want to argue that the non-starters are all young, fine. But you need to be honest and realize that good established players hate sitting on the bench. Also when you take the non-starters that actually played significant minutes - Senderos, Eduardo, Bendtner and Walcott, Walcott is only the really young one. (Bendtner is young, but he is so big is doesn't really count, plus he was the fourth choice, so he normally wouldn't play that much).

The players we have are fine. Like I said, I think we can use one or two more in specific areas. However, most of our young players are really talented players. They just need minutes on the field. Over the last few years, Wenger has been bringing in the top young talent. At some point we have to let them show what they can do. Many of them are not that young anymore, and they will not gain experience until you play them. We did not know about Cesc's real talent until Vieira left, and Cesc was allowed to play more often. (He was 17-18 at the time, mind you) We would not have known that Clichy was ready to make the jump until Cole left and Wenger decided not to buy. I bet there are others that can make the transition if given the chance. If you do not give them a chance to prove their worth, what was the point of bringing them to the club at a young age anyways?

[arsenalgirl30016]

Yea spend money to make money blah blah blah.....still no guarantee that a player will perform well....who should we be after with all of our extra cash?

[DaPrince84]

What I really gained from Wenger's quotes today is confirmation of what those close to the club have said for years: Wenger hates unhappy players.

Why did we sell Diarra? Because he was unhappy and we couldn't take it. Many a club would have said "shut up and sit your turn."
???

Dolphinhead was disruptive and would not shut his damn mouth... he could have caused problems... I wish we kept him, but I wish he shut up before hand...

[Martin Daoust]

I love the idea that because we can be 1001% sure a player will will work out no matter what we shouldn't invest more in more proven players at all, which really seems to be the logic being expressed by many posters...

Again at the end of the day we seem to have lot of people saying between to win less and spend less then win more and spend more, or better to win nothing and spend less even.

I might actually agree if I owned the club - and had the same business mentaility. But then again since this is a sport as much as a business I might not...

[arsenalgirl30016]

I love the idea that because we can be 1001% sure a player will will work out no matter what we shouldn't invest more in more proven players at all, which really seems to be the logic being expressed by many posters...

Again at the end of the day we seem to have lot of people saying between to win less and spend less then win more and spend more, or better to win nothing and spend less even.

I might actually agree if I owned the club - and had the same business mentaility. But then again since this is a sport as much as a business I might not...
I also love that some people automatically think that new is better.....again the theory that what you can get would certainly better than what you have......works both ways....funny isn't it?