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PVancouver
18 Jul 2008, 12:58 PM
Referee Week in Review: Week 16 (http://www.ussoccer-data.com/docfile/LessonsLearnedWeek_16_2008.htm)

100% Misconduct

Situations involving 100% misconduct have been common themes in multiple “Week In Reviews.” This past week is no exception. When the topic of 100% misconduct is examined, examples are provided that intended to clearly identify situations in which the referee has no leeway when determining whether a yellow or red card should be issued. These are fouls or incidents in which a player must be cautioned or sent off.

Thorough review of the examples provided regularly, should help steer officials toward consistency and clearer identification of actions classified as misconduct. Both 100% misconduct clips involve challenges from behind and are “reckless” and, therefore, must be cautioned.

100% misconduct? Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? And in the case of Clip 5, false? Of course, the reckless tackle in Clip 5 should not only be cautioned, but the player was to have been sent off. Curious.


Video Clip 4: TFC at Chicago (52:36)

The referee is close to play. Key to the referee’s ability to identify the defender’s action is that the referee does not turn immediately follow the ball as it is played away by the attacker who is eventually fouled. The referee anticipates a late challenge based upon the defender’s body language and run up to the attacker as the attacker passes the ball. This is not the typical sliding tackle. This is a form of reckless challenge that involves a defender who stays on his feet. Late contact is made with the upper thigh/leg of the defender as well as the attacker’s foot to the back of the attacker’s leg/ankle. The referee must recognize this as unsporting behavior and issue a yellow card. Note, key to identification is the tardiness of the challenge, the fact the challenge is from behind, and the fact that the ball is not within playing distance.

I agree this looks like misconduct, but it certainly isn't very clear what happened, exactly, and the player was indeed carded, which wasn't made clear in the text. It looks like Carl Robinson got an extra knock in on Blanco. Still, this was not a good example to use.


Video Clip 5: Colorado at San Jose (76:45)

This clip represents a tackle in which the tackler/defender utilizes “excessive force” and “endangers the safety of an opponent.” Both of these components are provided in the Laws of the Game as factors that make challenges serious foul play and offenses for which a player must be red carded. The defender lunges at the opponent – from behind – using excessive force. The attacker is unaware of the defender’s uncontrolled challenge and is unable to protect himself from the tackle. Notice how a scissors-type tackle is used. The defender’s trailing leg connects with the back of the attacker’s ankles and Achilles. Consequently, the defender should be sent off for serious foul play. Keys to identifying the tackle as a red card are: ball gone, challenge from behind, no opportunity exists to cleanly dispossess the opponent of the ball, and two legs are used in defender’s lunging at the attacker. This type of tackle does not belong in the game at any level. Note, the AR should be prepared to provide assistance to the referee as the foul occurs near the touchline. The AR should feel empowered to use the visual signal referenced in video clip 2 above to signal his opinion of the tackle and to reinforce the seriousness of the foul.

Let's examine the statements made here one by one:

This clip represents a tackle in which the tackler/defender utilizes “excessive force” and “endangers the safety of an opponent.”

Endangering the safety of the opponent? Maybe. Excessive force? I do not see it.

Both of these components are provided in the Laws of the Game as factors that make challenges serious foul play and offenses for which a player must be red carded.

True.

The defender lunges at the opponent – from behind – using excessive force.

Well, he did lunge at the opponent. With excessive force? Again, I disagree.

The attacker is unaware of the defender’s uncontrolled challenge and is unable to protect himself from the tackle.

I am not sure how this is an uncontrolled challenge. Omar Cummings seemed to me to be fully aware of and in complete control of his actions. I do agree that Ryan Johnson was probably somewhat unaware of Cummings.

Notice how a scissors-type tackle is used.

I disagree with this characterization. Shouldn't a "scissors-type tackle" have both legs extended? Cummings reaches out with his right leg to block the ball, but kept his left leg bent and made no "kicking motion" with this left leg at all. Even the right leg was only extended to block the ball. There was no sweeping motion into the body of Cummings with either leg. If Johnson made any contact with the right leg at all, it was incidental.

The defender’s trailing leg connects with the back of the attacker’s ankles and Achilles.

True, there is a connection, with the back of both calves, but I don't see a connection with ankles or Achilles (tendon). Most of the force was probably into the back of Johnson's knees. I was unable to discern a significant amount of force in any case.

Consequently, the defender should be sent off for serious foul play.

Keys to identifying the tackle as a red card are:
ball gone, -- no it wasn't -- Cummings deflects the ball out, killing a potential counter attack
challenge from behind, -- one could argue it was from the side
no opportunity exists to cleanly dispossess the opponent of the ball, -- considering that he nearly did, it is a bit of a stretch to say he had no opportunity (contact with the ball was made at about the same time as contact with the opponent)
and two legs are used in defender’s lunging at the attacker. -- I would say only the right leg was "used", the other was basically just in the way

This type of tackle does not belong in the game at any level.

What if Cummings performs the same tackle, but manages to avoid contacting Johnson with his left leg? Then would it be OK?

Note, the AR should be prepared to provide assistance to the referee as the foul occurs near the touchline. The AR should feel empowered to use the visual signal referenced in video clip 2 above to signal his opinion of the tackle and to reinforce the seriousness of the foul.

Does the USSF want the AR to essentially make the call if the CR doesn't make it, despite the fact that the CR saw and called the foul, was closer to the play, and had a better overall angle? If the AR goes to his back pocket, doesn't this practically require the CR to go to his back pocket as well?


To call this tackle 100% misconduct is quite a stretch. Even if it was redcarded, it would be SFP, as declared, not VC, since the ball was within playing distance.

While I agree the tackle was unnecessarily dangerous for the conditions of the game at the time, I don't agree that Cummings should have been sent off. What is even more annoying are the excessively harsh characterization of a play that in all likelihood was fully intended to be sporting.

Midwest Ref
18 Jul 2008, 03:47 PM
"While I agree the tackle was unnecessarily dangerous for the conditions of the game at the time, I don't agree that Cummings should have been sent off. What is even more annoying are the excessively harsh characterization of a play that in all likelihood was fully intended to be sporting."

The first sentence above is exactly why he should be sent off. Why do we as referees constantly look for reasons not to send off players when their actions meet the criteria for send offs as defined by US Soccer and FIFA?

"True, there is a connection, with the back of both calves, but I don't see a connection with ankles or Achilles (tendon). Most of the force was probably into the back of Johnson's knees. I was unable to discern a significant amount of force in any case." So it's okay if the force was into the back of the knees?" :rolleyes:

You are certainly free to have your opinion about the directions from US Soccer, but it seems pretty clear to me that they are serious about eliminating tackles that endanger the safety of the opponent, REGARDLESS OF THE INTENT OF THE TACKLER.

PVancouver
21 Jul 2008, 01:54 PM
Week 17

RSL at Chicago, 73:50, Kovalenko tackle and Brown red card (http://web.mlsnet.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v115042.c11504.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/11504/v0001/mlbmls.download.akamai.com/11504/2008/open/topplays/07/071908_rslchf_brown_rc_350.wmv&w_id=23141&catCode=top_plays&type=v_free&_mp=1)

Dema Kovalenko slide tackles a ball away from Cuauhtemoc Blanco. Kovalenko wins the ball knocking it out of play over the goal line, and the AR signals CK for Chicago. C.J. Brown picks up the ball and apparently has a few words with the AR, presumably Nate Clement. Before Salazar has a chance to book Kovalenko for the tackle, Clement demands a yellow card for Brown for dissent. Salazar shows the yellow to Kovalenko, then indicates to Clement that he is going to continue to deal with the Kovalenko booking first. The booking to Brown comes later, but is not shown. Then, while Blanco and Mapp are conferencing five yards from the ball, Brown says something to Clement and Clement immediately flags Salazar and demands that Brown be thrown out of the match. Is Brown more upset about the dissent card he was given at the AR's request or the AR's poor recognition of the Kovalenko foul? Ironically, Brown got what he presumably had wanted, a card against Kovalenko, yet continued to dissent after already receiving a yellow for dissent. Not very smart. (Note: both Brown cards are missing from the MLSnet match report, but appear in the Chicago Fire press release.) Ironically, it is my opinion that Kovalenko did not deserve a caution in this case. He appears to successfully knock the ball over the end line. Blanco goes down because he went way out of his way to put his left foot either between the legs of the sliding Kovalenko or on top of Kovalenko's left foot or leg, so that Kovalenko would have to take him down. Blanco did not prevent Kovalenko from getting to the ball. In short, there was a lot going on with this one play.

ref47
21 Jul 2008, 02:14 PM
correction. barkey was the fifa ar involved. clement is no longer on the list - ageout.

MassachusettsRef
21 Jul 2008, 04:09 PM
C.J. Brown picks up the ball and apparently has a few words with the AR, presumably Nate Clement. I find it somewhat amusing--considering your penchant for trying to dot every "i" and cross every "t" in the Laws--that every time you presume something, you get it wrong. That's Greg Barkey.

Week 17
Blanco goes down because he went way out of his way to put his left foot either between the legs of the sliding Kovalenko or on top of Kovalenko's left foot or leg, so that Kovalenko would have to take him down. This stuff again? Yeah, an attacker has no right to put his body between his opponent and the ball. Imagine the gall of Blanco--putting his leg between Kovalenko and the ball.

mdref
21 Jul 2008, 04:45 PM
Ever think about sending in your "analysis" to the National Staff at Soccer House in Chicago? Im pretty sure they can use some comic relief.

PVancouver
21 Jul 2008, 04:46 PM
I find it somewhat amusing--considering your penchant for trying to dot every "i" and cross every "t" in the Laws--that every time you presume something, you get it wrong. That's Greg Barkey.At least I only "presumed". I didn't realize that the Toyota Park camera view was from the opposite side of the field from the players. How often does this occur in MLS?

This stuff again? Yeah, an attacker has no right to put his body between his opponent and the ball. Imagine the gall of Blanco--putting his leg between Kovalenko and the ball.Well, I "imagine" that Kovalenko was already past Blanco. If a player has already gotten past you, it does take a lot of gall to do what Blanco did. I grant you Blanco has the right to block the path to ball, and unfortunately, the view of the play is not absolutlely clear. But it sure doesn't look like he made a sporting play to me.

Alfred Kleinaitis assessed the match, so he presumably got to hear first hand accounts.

PVancouver
25 Jul 2008, 12:25 PM
Kleinaitis and company should be applauded for pointing out Canadian FIFA referee Paul Ward's egregious but little noticed error in the Toronto-San Jose game that allowed San Jose to maintain a tie, as James Riley was clearly well into the penalty area when Guevara's penalty was saved, and then cleared the ball out just beating Guevara to a rebound attempt.

I am not sure if anyone else noticed.

PVancouver
27 Jul 2008, 12:48 PM
I forgot I had recorded the PK. James Riley should clearly have been carded for dissent, and Eric Denton should technically have been sent off for abusive language, before the PK was taken.

When Paul Ward blew the whistle immediately after Riley kicked the ball away from Guevara after the PK, Riley immediately turned to Ward to see if he was being called for encroachment. Pretty funny. He then waved his arm in dissent (again) toward Ward. Maybe he thought he had been called. It's possible he was claming Guevara kicked it out, and thus it should be a goal kick, but I doubt it.

PVancouver
29 Jul 2008, 02:26 PM
Week 18

There was an interesting play in the Columbus-Colorado game. At 25:10, Eddie Gaven, near the touch line not far from the center strip, sent a long pass back to his own keeper, Will Hesmer. The ball took a high hop, and Hesmer alertly reached up with his left hand to save an almost sure goal. As he did so, he pushed the ball out to his left.

Shane Moody immediately whistled the infraction, and began running to the spot of the foul. It has been reported that he indicated for an indirect free kick. However, as Moody jogs into the penalty area, he does not have his arm up. The ball is resting about 5 yards from the goal line and 7 yards from the goal area, where Hesmer left it, about 10 yards from the spot of the foul. Terry Cooke runs hard to the ball and takes a shot into the open net. Will Hesmer dives for it, but misses. Shane Moody immediately looks at the AR, who has not moved, and waves the goal off.

Some questioned whether or not Moody put his arm up, and FIFA declares that if he had not:

"An indirect free kick must be retaken if the referee fails to raise his arm to indicate that the kick is indirect and the ball is kicked directly into the goal. The initial indirect free kick is not nullified by the referee’s mistake."

In the case of a quick free kick, does this always hold true? By when exactly does the arm have to be up? Or should this statement in the Interpretations be applied only to situations which clearly would be misleading if the arm was not up (e.g., a ceremonial free kick occurs without the referee's arm in the air, or in this case, had Moody had a chance to stop running before Cooke took the kick)?

The bigger issue for me is placement of the free kick. Had the ball deflected off of Hesmer's hand into the goal, Hesmer would have a valid argument, IMO, that the goal should not have counted because the kick was not taken from the spot of the infraction. Was Shane Moody really prepared to allow a goal had it deflected off of Hesmer? If he would have, one has to wonder how he could be so lenient on the position of the restart. If not, Moody should have had the IFK retaken even though the kick went directly into the net, since it would not be fair to only require a retake because of incorrect positioning when a goal is scored.

MassachusettsRef
29 Jul 2008, 02:46 PM
We, as referees, are taught not to run while maintaining the IFK signal whenever possible. The nature of the offence can only be an IFK, so there's no issue on that here. This isn't a case where the referee has to distinguish between a dangerous play infraction or a kicking foul, so that point is a nonstarter--everyone knows it's an IFK and debating that point is diving into minutiae that really doesn't make a difference.

As to the positioning of the ball... I've only seen the video highlight on MLS, which didn't show if there was a re-take or not. From your description, it sounds like there wasn't one. I agree that one should have been given because the kick wasn't taken from any real proximity to where the offence occurred and I doubt he would have allowed the goal if Hesmer touched it. Then again, that's only our speculation--maybe he would have.

PVancouver
29 Jul 2008, 03:25 PM
The kick was not retaken. A goal kick was awarded. The Colorado PBP guy was surprised and Balboa was no help. Balboa seemed to think the play had been waved off because the kick was not taken from the correct spot. He praised Cooke for taking the shot because "you never know what the referee is thinking", apparently in regards to the ball not being at the correct spot, which he was well aware of.

If it was so obvious to all, why was Fernando Clavijo wagging his fingers at Alex Prus right after the kick? Why did Prus have to explain to him that it was indirect?

MassachusettsRef
29 Jul 2008, 03:49 PM
If it was so obvious to all, why was Fernando Clavijo wagging his fingers at Alex Prus right after the kick? Why did Prus have to explain to him that it was indirect?Why do you presume so much all the time? And why do you ask questions that likely no one can answer?

You don't think it's possible--hell, I'll say highly probable--that Clavijo was demanding the re-take? You realize you're arguing that a former USMNT defender and an MLS coach thinks there can be direct kicks in the attacking penalty area, right?

And if Clavijo was actually demanding the goal and didn't know such an offence was an IFK, are you seriously arguing that Moody having his hand in the air earlier would have prevented these protestations?

You want to see every potential weird or odd play in soccer and declare something "wrong" and find a way to fix it. Nothing is wrong here. It was a bit of an odd play because of how close an attacker was to the offence and where the ball was left, so you had the rare quick restart on an IFK close to goal. The only possible talking point is whether or not there should have been a re-take (I agree there likely should have been) and even that is essentially a judgment decision. I'm sure it's something that the assessor and Moody (and even the AR on that end) spoke about. Assuming the assessor agrees with us, it's a lesson learned for them and a reminder to all the rest of us.

NHRef
29 Jul 2008, 04:08 PM
this reminds me of a scenario given to an advanced ref clinic led by Jim Allen, the kick was taken from the incorrect spot, however all appear to be fine with the result. While technically there should have been a restart, in our scenario discussion we were instructed that since everyone on the field is ok with what just happened, why would you do yourself harm and call it back?

This could be (haven't seen it) a similar case. the players are ok with what happened, off we go. Game is about the players and on that day, in that game, that was the right move.

I also get a laugh out of some of these topics because while you (PV) want definite answers to what happened, you have no problem with injecting a thought process into players, coaches and refs to illustrate a point.

MassachusettsRef
29 Jul 2008, 04:11 PM
Good point, NHRef. But in this case, I don't think there's any chance the defending team would have accepted things if a goal had been scored.

The video is on MLSnet. It's part of the regular game highlights package.

NHRef
29 Jul 2008, 04:12 PM
True, but did all involved accept the GK restart? If so, I say we're good.

MassachusettsRef
29 Jul 2008, 04:18 PM
True, but did all involved accept the GK restart? If so, I say we're good.That's what I'm not sure about. From the video, you don't see the Colorado players' reactions. I do think, as I alluded to above, that this is the point Clavijo was protesting (not that it should have been a goal).

Also, I don't think "we're good." In situations like this, it might take a second or two for the attacking team to realize "hey, we just got screwed there," so protests wouldn't be immediate. From a sense of justice, if you were never going to award the goal if it occurred from the original position of the kick, you should allow a re-take.

DadOf6
29 Jul 2008, 04:32 PM
That's what I'm not sure about. From the video, you don't see the Colorado players' reactions. I do think, as I alluded to above, that this is the point Clavijo was protesting (not that it should have been a goal).

Also, I don't think "we're good." In situations like this, it might take a second or two for the attacking team to realize "hey, we just got screwed there," so protests wouldn't be immediate. From a sense of justice, if you were never going to award the goal if it occurred from the original position of the kick, you should allow a re-take.

I would probably consider the philosophy used in PKs when the attacking side encroaches.

If a goal is scored, bring it back. If a goal is not scored, too bad, so sad, you don't get a second chance.

PVancouver
29 Jul 2008, 04:37 PM
You don't think it's possible--hell, I'll say highly probable--that Clavijo was demanding the re-take? You realize you're arguing that a former USMNT defender and an MLS coach thinks there can be direct kicks in the attacking penalty area, right?I don't know what Clavijo was arguing, but I suspect that if Cooke and Balboa and Clavijo did not have to respond immediately, they all would soon realize that the kick was indirect. Clavijo, who was immediately interviewed after his conversation with Prus, seemed to have no issue at all with the play. Balboa had not much issue, but originally seemed to think the kick was denyed because it was taken from the wrong spot. Cooke was still shaking his head, but must have at some point realized what went down. Hopefully it wouldn't have taken long for any of those people to come to the same conclusion on their own, but many players are not clear about what is or isn't a direct kick.

And if Clavijo was actually demanding the goal and didn't know such an offence was an IFK, are you seriously arguing that Moody having his hand in the air earlier would have prevented these protestations? No

You want to see every potential weird or odd play in soccer and declare something "wrong" and find a way to fix it. Nothing is wrong here. It was a bit of an odd play because of how close an attacker was to the offence and where the ball was left, so you had the rare quick restart on an IFK close to goal. The only possible talking point is whether or not there should have been a re-take (I agree there likely should have been) and even that is essentially a judgment decision. I'm sure it's something that the assessor and Moody (and even the AR on that end) spoke about. Assuming the assessor agrees with us, it's a lesson learned for them and a reminder to all the rest of us.I pointed out one play that occurred from the entire weekend of MLS action. And you agree with me that the restart should have been different than the one actually taken. So I don't see why you are on my case about this.

Gary V
29 Jul 2008, 06:17 PM
I would probably consider the philosophy used in PKs when the attacking side encroaches.

If a goal is scored, bring it back. If a goal is not scored, too bad, so sad, you don't get a second chance.

I think it's more like when the PK kicker goes early, before the ref's whistle, and then misses the goal. Sure, the correct thing to do is retake the kick. But it was the kicker's mistake - why does he get another chance to do it right?

Of course the proper thing to do would be to not let the kick be taken from the incorrect spot.