Corner kick: was this ball in play?

[bungadiri]

This was new to me, but then I don't pretend to be steeped in the lore of the game. Is this a legitimate call?

I was watching a select level U-13 game today and one team was awarded a corner kick. A player lined up over the ball at the corner flag and then proceeded to dribble into the box pass the ball to a teammate, who then scored.

The coach of the other team protested, the CR went over to the AR of the side at which the corner had been taken, consulted for a moment and came over to explain.

She was allowing the goal, she said, because the AR had noted that the player who had placed the ball for the corner had then tapped it, without moving it, with his foot and run onto the field. At that point, she said, the ball was in play and therefore if was perfectly legal for the second player to come over, fake the corner, and then dribble in as he had.

[ProfZodiac]

Sounds legal to me. I know of a team where one lines up to take the kick, and one stands with their legs open to pass the ball through. Then the second dribbles in.

They call it "giggle."

[Tmagic77]

It is legal. I'm surprised it was allowed unless the coach had asked the referee about it before hand. I've done that in some games, and the ref whistles the play dead because he's confused about it.

[bungadiri]

Originally posted by Tmagic77
...unless the coach had asked the referee about it before hand...
Based on what I heard after the game, it sounds like the AR had his attention drawn to it some time before it happened.

[RobB]

It could be ruled illegal, depends on the ref. It could be deemed ungentlemanly conduct, a polite way of saying within the laws of the game but outside the laws of sportsmanship. For instance, an attacking player might shout `keepers ball` so a defender leaves a cross, gaining an advantage by tricking an opponent. Also, a player shouldn`t leave the field with-out permission, unless by accident or to take a corner or throw in or goal kick. If the player left to make it look like a corner when the ball was in play, he would need permission to re-enter the pitch. Finally, a dead ball must complete one revolution to be deemed in play, the quadrants are meant to be the length of a footballs` circumfrence so a short corner must be kicked out of the quadrant to complete one rev.
So I would say that the officials got it wrong if the player ran off the pitch to fake a corner and/or took the ball when it was still in the quadrant.

[new old man]

Rob, without meaning to be rude, you need to update on the changes in the LOTG. The moving the circumference of the ball went out several years back. Touched and moves is the newer phrase.
The original kicker did not leave the field, as I read the scenario.
Sounds like legitimate tactics, from the description.

[MD_05]

my high school team does this and it works very very well.
we've done it 3 times so far. 1st time- nice cross but no one gets to it. 2nd time- we score a goal as the ref is blowing the whistle saying it wasn't a legal corner kick. 3rd time- the ref blows it dead as our guy is dribbling down the line.
my guys claims that he told the ref "we're doing a trick play" each time right before he does it. i guess we have to explain it to the refs before the game.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by bungadiri
She was allowing the goal, she said, because the AR had noted that the player who had placed the ball for the corner had then tapped it, without moving it, with his foot and run onto the field. At that point, she said, the ball was in play and therefore if was perfectly legal for the second player to come over, fake the corner, and then dribble in as he had.

I'm not a ref and you've all missed this call. FIFA rules state "the ball is in play when it is kicked and
moves forward." In this case the ball did not move. Therefore, it is not in play.

[steever]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
I'm not a ref and you've all missed this call. FIFA rules state "the ball is in play when it is kicked and
moves forward." In this case the ball did not move. Therefore, it is not in play.

The forward movement requirement applies only to kick-offs and penalty kicks. Other re-starts may be played in any direction. The play in question has been legal for some time.

[whistleblowerusa]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
I'm not a ref and you've all missed this call. FIFA rules state "the ball is in play when it is kicked and
moves forward." In this case the ball did not move. Therefore, it is not in play.
We can tell that you are not a ref by how you explain the laws interpretation. The ball will move and does move when it is touched/kicked. A kick does not need to fly into the air. A kick is a touch, whether hard or soft, of the ball. The ball moved slightly on the play in question and was in play.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by steever
The forward movement requirement applies only to kick-offs and penalty kicks. Other re-starts may be played in any direction. The play in question has been legal for some time.

That seems odd to me, but I will take what you say as the truth. However, the corner kick in this case did not move at all. It was only tapped. Is it still in play?

[new old man]

Good point. I had not focused on the ARs tapped, but not moved statement. Would this be quantum physics, or an easier kind? The degree of movement required has been debated, long and hard, on other sites. Seems to get rather esoteric, at some level. If you kick me, and I don't feel it, is there a foul? Regards.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by whistleblowerusa
We can tell that you are not a ref by how you explain the laws interpretation. The ball will move and does move when it is touched/kicked. A kick does not need to fly into the air. A kick is a touch, whether hard or soft, of the ball. The ball moved slightly on the play in question and was in play.

I can tell you are a ref by your condescending attitude. The ball did not move - read the original message.

[ProfZodiac]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
I'm not a ref and you've all missed this call. FIFA rules state "the ball is in play when it is kicked and
moves forward." In this case the ball did not move. Therefore, it is not in play.

Point the first: How am I supposed to take seriously a guy who's pseudonym is a foolish cartoon character?
Point the second: You're wrong. Period. Exclamation point, jackass.
Point the third: You're an idiot for telling us we're all wrong, when you're not a ref yourself. SchmuckBobStupidPants.
Point the fourth: Welcome to my ignore list.

[whistleblowerusa]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
I can tell you are a ref by your condescending attitude. The ball did not move - read the original message.
Nice try spongey but this was not what you were talking about. You commented on the Laws which you were not correct.
The ball was touched, the ball would move if it was touched. This is how it is taught and interpreted.
If the AR decided that the ball was not put into play properly or that the ball did not move, the flag should have gone up.
Don't be so sensitive when someone tells you that you are not correct.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by whistleblowerusa
Nice try spongey but this was not what you were talking about. You commented on the Laws which you were not correct.
The ball was touched, the ball would move if it was touched. This is how it is taught and interpreted.
If the AR decided that the ball was not put into play properly or that the ball did not move, the flag should have gone up.
Don't be so sensitive when someone tells you that you are not correct.

The original statement said the ball didn't move. How else am I supposed to read that?

I think the sensitive side are the refs here who can't admit to either being wrong or that there might be more than interpretation to a call. The original statement was a question about something debatable?

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by ProfZodiac
Point the first: How am I supposed to take seriously a guy who's pseudonym is a foolish cartoon character?
Point the second: You're wrong. Period. Exclamation point, jackass.
Point the third: You're an idiot for telling us we're all wrong, when you're not a ref yourself. SchmuckBobStupidPants.
Point the fourth: Welcome to my ignore list.

Unlike using Calvin as your icon?

Thanks for explaining how I'm wrong. Why you need to curse at me is what I don't understand. If you disagree, please fill me in?

I hope you're really not a ref with that sensitive attitude.

[ProfZodiac]

Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants
Unlike using Calvin as your icon?

Thanks for explaining how I'm wrong. Why you need to curse at me is what I don't understand. If you disagree, please fill me in?

I hope you're really not a ref with that sensitive attitude.

Did someone say something?

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

Originally posted by ProfZodiac
Did someone say something?

You need to grow up.

[new old man]

It is very difficult, in my experience, to succesfully attack a cartoon character. Bad things always happen.
The kicks and moves requirement is also applicable to corners. Let us not be too quick, please, to attack and offend for a correct postulate on the LOTG by a nonref- especially when he may be right. I missed two calls today alone- but I am not saying which ones. Regards.