Einmal Löwe - Immer Löwe / TSV 1860 München Official Thread 08/09 [R]

[footyfan1]

My bet? Frau Reuter.:cool:


Ooooh. Good one!! :D

[CanuckFan]

Nick was called up for the qualification match against Mexico. First full international cap (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-10-01_laenderspiele.php). Another Loewe grows up.:D

Actually he had a short run with our full team in a friendly against Iceland a while back. Nik has been captain of Canada at the U17, U20 and U23 levels so it is great to see him called up for an important match (a little too late for Canada though). Huge dissension in the Cdn team as players are not pleased with the coach and the CSA (Cdn equivalent of the DFB).

http://www.canadasoccer.com/eng/nationals/profile.asp?playerid=55&sub=2

Nik as captain of our U23's last season:

http://www.canadasoccer.com/images/teamshots/20080323_CanadaU23_XIwww.jpg

[LoewenBoy]

Actually he had a short run with our full team in a friendly against Iceland a while back. Nik has been captain of Canada at the U17, U20 and U23 levels so it is great to see him called up for an important match (a little too late for Canada though). Huge dissension in the Cdn team as players are not pleased with the coach and the CSA (Cdn equivalent of the DFB).
I will be interested to see where they play him. I watched a few of the U23 matches and they had him on the left back side. He did well, but he is a much better holding defender or midfielder. Hope he survives the Mexico match, as dirty as those guys can get. But maybe they hate the Canadians a bit less than the Gringos and will take it easy on you.:D

[footyfan1]

But maybe they hate the Canadians a bit less than the Gringos and will take it easy on you.:D

You don't think Sven will calm them down any? LOL!! :D

[LoewenBoy]

You don't think Sven will calm them down any? LOL!! :D
You cannot calm hatred like that. Once the blood gets boiling they cannot control themselves. Several of his players are just thugs in shorts and make Schumacher's assault look like slap dancing.
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[panicfc]

Always rely on Monty Python to deliver the goods.

[LoewenBoy]

Geesh....win one game and the press loves you.

This article (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/383794/) speaks about the 1860 defense belonging to the "best in the league" with only 8 goals against. LOL....we are 13th in the table with few wins and the writers now love us when two weeks ago they were calling 1860 a debacle and saying that Kurz was screwy. Now we are a tight defense.:rolleyes:

This article (http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga2/news/2008/index.php?f=0000108605.php&fla=1) talks about the last game where only 3 players on the pitch were over 23. The average age was 22,6, but that masks the REAL stats:

3 were over 27: Berhalter (35), Beda and Lauth 27
3 were 21 or 22: Tschauner, Mate and Benny
5 were 19: Schaeffler, Bender x2, Gebhart, Johnson (though Jonhson just turned 20).
THAT is a young team. They gave Lars that armband for the last 20 mins and then he scored.:D What I hate about articles like this?

It overblows what happened. The kids had good games...but they have been having good games for a while. They just happened to win THIS game.
We played 3 of the 4 top teams in the league in our first four games. Of course they were going to be hard games. We did not have a schedule like FCK or some of the other teams. Do we suck? Perhaps, but not as bad as one might think. Clearly we are not promotion-ready since we cannot beat the top teams, but it is not like we got thumped 5-0.;) Of course, THAT game is coming in the rueckrunde.
Articles like this serve to shine the spotlight on our young players, making it difficult for them to concentrate on the task at hand. Also, it shines a light on our future. I know....I can hear Keith's voice in my head now, "Garry, other teams are ALREADY looking at them, dude...what the F&^$ did you think?" (had to had an expletive in there b/c we all know Keith likes them) ;-) And he is right...I know all too well other teams are already thinking about our young lads....I just hope we can keep some of them.
At any rate, good press, but I hope it does not go to anyone's head. I think our young guys are pretty grounded anyway; having won the U19 EM they do not seem too big for their shorts yet. I think muhc of that has to do with Kurz. I am hearing that these kids have a really deep (almost cult-like) devotion to him. They realize few coaches would take a chance on young talent and give them the time they are looking for. Problem is, would a big money Hoffenheim do the same? If so, 1860 will not be able to hold them. We all know Werder, Stuttgart, Bayern, Schalke or Neverkusen would not do it. Perhaps teams like BVB, Wolfsburg and HSV would...I don't know.

Let's hope we can keep them.

[footyfan1]

Kicker Article About 1860 Being Among 2nd Bundesliga Defensive Leaders But...... (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/383794/)



They are also one of the worst at producing goals. 1860 has only given up 8 goals in their 7 matches so far this season (tied with 1st place Mainz 05 for third best in the 2nd Bundesliga, 2nd place Freiburg leads with just 5 goals conceded), but 1860 has also only scored 9 goals in those seven matches. That number ties them for sixth-worst in the league. 5th placed Duisburg is the other team with just nine goals scored.

I think this stat illustrates the problem best.

Some guy I never heard of before this season, Sami Allagui of Greuther Fuerth, is the 2nd Bundesliga's current goal-scoring leader. He has 8 goals by himself. The entire 1860 team has just one more than him.

1860's next match? Sunday, 19 October at Greuther Fuerth......... :cool:

This stat has something to do with it too. This season's great hope at striker, Benny Lauth?

Still without a goal for 719 match minutes.

If he doesn't break out of that slump, I hate to think what will happen. His breaking out of that slump could open up things for others.

But I am not saying it is all his fault either. I just think he's the key to solving the problem.

[LoewenBoy]

This stat has something to do with it too. This season's great hope at striker, Benny Lauth? Still without a goal for 719 match minutes. If he doesn't break out of that slump, I hate to think what will happen. His breaking out of that slump could open up things for others. But I am not saying it is all his fault either. I just think he's the key to solving the problem.
Amen. Him or Schaeffler. One of them has to start hitting the net. Goals are HUGE confidence boosters to strikers. What I find MOSt odd is that in the friendlies that have been played during the breaks so far, I cannot recall Lauth being on the sheet. THAT has to bug him OR says that something more is up (too lazy?). Dunno.

[goindownsouth]

Lauth is the key to 1860 having a much better second half of the term. Just my opinion though.

[CanuckFan]

To the posts above, I am hoping Nik gets a chance at playing d/mid as our star midfielder, Julian de Guzman, who usually pairs with Atiba Hutchinson in the central m/f, is injured.
And the comments about the Mexicans are uncalled for. They are the class team in CONCACAF right now; they run you down for 90 minutes and play great attacking soccer. Nothing at all dirty about them. Of Canada's group, only Honduras has a bunch of Greg Louganis followers.

[footyfan1]

Amen. Him or Schaeffler. One of them has to start hitting the net. Goals are HUGE confidence boosters to strikers. What I find MOSt odd is that in the friendlies that have been played during the breaks so far, I cannot recall Lauth being on the sheet. THAT has to bug him OR says that something more is up (too lazy?). Dunno.

Lauth doesn't strike me as "lazy" at all. He strikes me as LOST.

He reminds me of Nelson Valdez. Is all over the place, but usually never where he needs to be when he needs to be there.

It's like Lauth has no goal-scoring instinct anymore. Or maybe he's never had any.

[LoewenBoy]

And the comments about the Mexicans are uncalled for. They are the class team in CONCACAF right now; they run you down for 90 minutes and play great attacking soccer. Nothing at all dirty about them.
What????:eek:

Dude, watch a Mexico-US game some time. Many of those guys are first-class thugs. Leg-swiping, back-tackles, punches, leg-whips, slide-throughs, you name it. If they was have been invented to hurt someone and make it look legit, the Mexicans excel at it and bring that game to the US anywhere outside of Azteca. Why? B/c the US has pretty much owned them outside Azteca for a while now.

[footyfan1]

And the comments about the Mexicans are uncalled for. They are the class team in CONCACAF right now; they run you down for 90 minutes and play great attacking soccer. Nothing at all dirty about them. Of Canada's group, only Honduras has a bunch of Greg Louganis followers.


Maybe they run YOU down for 90 minutes. WE kick their asses. ;)

Which is probably why we see the dirty play from them and you don't.

And apparently, they have problems with not just the USA outside the Azteca.

See here. (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-worldjamaica&prov=reuters&type=lgns)

[LoewenBoy]

Which is probably why we see the dirty play from them and you don't.
Footy and I watched them play the US in Dallas a few years back. We had seats about three rows off the pitch. This was just after Landycakes had left Neverkusen the second time; we were having fun heckling him in German. The US beat Mexico 2-0, but the entire match we could see the thuggery of Mexico on and off the ball. Maybe they just bring this shiite when they play the US, I don't know.

I recall seeing the US-Mex matches years ago when we sucked and it was never like it is today. Maybe it is too much for the Mexicans to take that we own the economicially AND on the football pitch too?:cool:

[LoewenBoy]

Back on topic....

1860 played Feldmoching (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/saison/profis/testspiele/2008/testspiel_feldmoching_18860_111008.php) yesterday in a test which they won 6-1. Below is the line-up used. Good new for Lauth is that he was on the field less than a minute before scoring Schaeffler did not, but set up a few. Holebas scored a brace as did Gebhart.

Most interesting was the call up of a few of the U23s: Schick, Mlapa, Marz and Leist. The club is hot on these guys, especially Marz and Mlapa. I hope to see these guys in the first side in future. Mlapa would be an interesting find because he has the dribbling skills we see now in Schaeffler.

1860: Hofmann (46. Tschauner) - Burkhard, Thorandt, Berhalter (46. Leist), B. Schwarz (65. Schick) - Johnson (46. Mlapa), Beda, S. Bender (46. Marz), Holebas - Gebhart - Schäffler (60. Lauth).

Tore: 0:1 Holebas (17.), 0:2 Holebas (55.), 0:3 Lauth (61.), 1:3 Zachari (85.), 1:4 Mlapa (86.), 1:5 Gebhart (89.), 1:6 Gebhart (90.).

[footyfan1]

Back on topic....

1860 played Feldmoching (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/saison/profis/testspiele/2008/testspiel_feldmoching_18860_111008.php) yesterday in a test which they won 6-1. Below is the line-up used. Good news for Lauth is that he was on the field less than a minute before scoring Schaeffler did not, but set up a few. Holebas scored a brace as did Gebhart.


It would bother me that Lauth could only score once in about 30 minutes against FELDMOCHING......

[LoewenBoy]

Danny needs to go under the knife (http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga2/news/2008/index.php?f=0000109025.php&fla=1) to fix is knee. At 33 and his contract up in June, this will be a tough blow for him. My guess is he accepts a reduced contract extension and stays with 1860 next season. He has already said he wants to retire a Loewe. given his loyalty management will likely reward that. As much as I respect that, we seem to have made several bad decisions (Cerny, Tyce, Schroth, Agostino, etc.) where we take on injured, former Loewen who never again suit up for us but get paid. I know each case is different, but at some point 1860 needs to break this bad habit of rolling the dice on former players who are injured.

[footyfan1]

Danny needs to go under the knife to fix is knee. At 33 and his contract up in June, this will be a tough blow for him. My guess is he accepts a reduced contract extension and stays with 1860 next season. He has already said he wants to retire a Loewe. given his loyalty management will likely reward that.


I've never been a big Danny Schwarz fan, but I feel for him here. However, I think the silver lining around this dark cloud is that now they have to give the young guys at that position their chance to step up and own the position.

I fully agree with your contract extension and loyalty comments.



We seem to have made several bad decisions (Cerny, Tyce, Schroth, Agostino, etc.) where we take on injured, former Loewen who never again suit up for us but get paid. I know each case is different, but at some point 1860 needs to break this bad habit of rolling the dice on former players who are injured.


I think one of the reasons they do that is they want players they KNOW have pride in that shirt and club logo, so they take the chance. But of course, I also know that another and probably the biggest reason is sentimentality.

[LoewenBoy]

I've never been a big Danny Schwarz fan
Me neither. He is average at best. But, he is usually CONSISTENTLY average, which is more than you can say about a lot of players.:cool:


I think one of the reasons they do that is they want players they KNOW have pride in that shirt and club logo, so they take the chance. But of course, I also know that another and probably the biggest reason is sentimentality.
Yeah, I agree. But it is a HELLUVA large amount of money to spend on a retirement program for Alte Loewen. I cannot think of another team right now that has spent SOOOO much on players who have not set foot on the pitch for them as 1860. If Reuter & Co. have a soft spot, this is it. But....how much does something like this effect who CURRENT players feel about the club and willingness to stay (or come back)? That is the sort of intangible that no one knows.