HA HO HE HERTHA BSC 08-09 thread [R]

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

Congrats, every win against Hoffenheim is a good win. :D

[20oth]

Hoffenheim looked so good the week before. I didn't think we had a chance ,even being at home.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Wiedereinweihung der Alten Försterei

Super-Derby in der neuen Försterei? Union will mit Hertha seine Stadion-Eröffnung feiern

M. Bunkus

Berlin - Es die Frage, die die Unionfans brennend interessiert. Und auch in Charlottenburg diskutiert wird: Wer kommt zur Wiedereinweihung der Alten Försterei Ende Januar/Anfang Februar als Gast zum 1. FC Union? Es häufen sich Stimmen, die sagen: Hertha BSC gibt den Eisernen die Ehre.

Ein Gedanke, der eine gewisse Logik hat. Wirklich attraktive Teams sind nicht einfach zu besorgen. In England läuft der Spielbetrieb im Januar munter weiter. Resteuropa kann man in punkto Zugkraft eher abhaken. Ein deutscher Zweitligist á la Nürnberg, der immerhin 1920 schon das Eröffnungsspiel der Ur-"Alten Försterei" bestritt, ist über die Grenzen des eisernen Fankultes hinweg begrenzt lukrativ. Allein wohl der FC Bayern (zieht immer und überall in Deutschland!) und Schalke 04 aufgrund des Pokalfinales 2001 hätten ihren eigenen Reiz, sind aber schwer zu bezahlen.

Bliebe als einfachste Lösung eben Hertha BSC. Bezahlbar. Bringt ‘nen Haufen eigene Leute mit. Kurze Verkehrswege, geringe Kosten. Ein Härtetest für beide Seiten kurz vor dem Ligastart. Passt einfach.

Auffallend oft schmierten sich die Bosse zuletzt wechselseitig den Honig ums Maul. Dirk Zingler spricht bei Hertha "vom großen Bruder", befürwortet einen Stadionneubau der Charlottenburger. Hertha-Manager Dieter Hoeneß wiederum lobt Union, wünscht den Köpenickern mindestens den Zweitliga-Aufstieg. Weil es dem Fußball in der Stadt grundsätzlich gut täte, wenn es zwei starke Partner gibt.

Rivalitäten der beiden Fanlager sind eher jüngerer Natur. Für die Altvorderen gab es eh nur zwei Vereine an der Spree, "Eisern Union und Hertha BSC".

Would be a good match. We should do it, wasn't the first match in the newly refurbished Olympiastadion between Union and Hertha?

[footyfan1]

Would be a good match. We should do it, wasn't the first match in the newly refurbished Olympiastadion between Union and Hertha?


I hope it does happen. And I hope one day 1. FC Union makes it to the 1. Liga.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Totally agree, i'd love to see them in the 1. Liga one day.

You guys should definitely play that friendly :)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

I hope too :)

We don't hate each other (we don't REALLY like each other either), but I think if we had a regular derby, it would only be good for Berlin. Union and Hertha have passionate, but not violent fanbases (same can't be said for Dynamo, TeBe...)

[Real Corona]

I hope too :)

We don't hate each other (we don't REALLY like each other either), but I think if we had a regular derby, it would only be good for Berlin. Union and Hertha have passionate, but not violent fanbases (same can't be said for Dynamo, TeBe...)


When I lived in Berlin Union and Hertha got along rather well. I don't remember any dislike between the two teams or fans. Now the other clubs are a totally different story.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Unglaublich!!! :D

Another somewhat lucky win against Hamburg launches Hertha into Platz 4!!!!
Thats 2 wins without Marko Pantelic this year in the Bundesliga, after 0 in the last 2 years.

What the hell happened to Simunic?! Hell, even Sofian Chahed is playing well! :eek:

What a hangover I have :D

[ForeverRed]

Favre's hard work and football ideology is bearing fruit, its good to see actually. I'm loving this season and the competitiveness of the young teams in particular.

[footyfan1]

Unglaublich!!! :D

Another somewhat lucky win against Hamburg launches Hertha into Platz 4!!!!
Thats 2 wins without Marko Pantelic this year in the Bundesliga, after 0 in the last 2 years.

What the hell happened to Simunic?! Hell, even Sofian Chahed is playing well! :eek:

What a hangover I have :D


Congrats man! Congrats.

[uclacarlos]

Sorry for the interruption, but I wanted a little bit of info on the sociology/mythology of Hertha Berlin.

I know very little about the rivalries, sociology and mythology of German football, but I wanted to know what are the political and social associations that ppl have w/ Hertha Berlin? In Madrid, Real is the middle and upper class team and used to be associated w/ Franco's fascist dictatorship, whereas as Atletico Madrid is the "working class" team. Barcelona = Catalan independence. In Argentina, Boca Jrs. is the working class team, while River Plate is the upper class team, also associated w/ the military junta of the late 70's, early 80's, etc.

The reason I ask is that I in a novel I'm reading about 1973-74 Berlin, Greek and Chilean immigrant kids use football to help them assimilate into German society. The Chilean kids are fanatics of the Chilean club Colo Colo (working class), and all the boys in the novel follow Hertha Berlin.

Are there any political undertones associated w/ HB? Or is it (probably) more important that West Berlin was considered a very left-wing city compared to the rest of West Germany?

Humbly,
uclacarlos

[Real Corona]

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because it's mostly speculation. I lived in Berlin for a year and went to most Hertha matches and a few Union ones. As far as Hertha in the eyes of West Germany, Berlin was also a horrible place to live. I mean you were literally surrounded by a wall and thousands of soldiers who at any moment could raise the city. West Berlin was a hardship post for just about anyone, so hardly any players wanted to come to Berlin. During the 70s however, when your book takes place, Hertha had one of their most successful runs, finishing second to Monchengladbach and later appearing in the German cup final.

I can't really speculate on your book, but I'd imagine that Hertha being the top club at the time had some influence on it. In the season you reference, 73-74, Hertha are the only Berlin club in the Bundesliga. The next season a club called Tennis made the top league, but dropped immediately. That said, in the 80s Hertha dropped from the Bundesliga for quite some time and there were rumblings about mergers with other clubs in West Berlin.

[Projekt4]

Are there any political undertones associated w/ HB? Or is it (probably) more important that West Berlin was considered a very left-wing city compared to the rest of West Germany?

Humbly,
uclacarlos

Interesting question.

It is quite likely that Hertha support had political undertones and was left-leaning in that era (as was European youth in general, of course). But I'm pretty sure Hertha never was the clear (political) opposite pole of another club. The context is very different from what you mention, there wasn't a particularly strong class divide anyway especially in that time, and Berlin is/was never the gravitational centre for Germany as a whole in the way other capitals are, sustaining two or more big clubs for different tastes.

I only know two clearly politically aligned clubs in Germany, St. Pauli and FC Bayern.

[Real Corona]

Interesting question.

It is quite likely that Hertha support had political undertones and was left-leaning in that era (as was European youth in general, of course). But I'm pretty sure Hertha never was the clear (political) opposite pole of another club. The context is very different from what you mention, there wasn't a particularly strong class divide anyway especially in that time, and Berlin is/was never the gravitational centre for Germany as a whole in the way other capitals are, sustaining two or more big clubs for different tastes.

I only know two clearly politically aligned clubs in Germany, St. Pauli and FC Bayern.

It could barely sustain one.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Hertha have no political affiliations worth mentioning. It doesn't even much of an ultra movement.

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Interesting question.

It is quite likely that Hertha support had political undertones and was left-leaning in that era (as was European youth in general, of course). But I'm pretty sure Hertha never was the clear (political) opposite pole of another club. The context is very different from what you mention, there wasn't a particularly strong class divide anyway especially in that time, and Berlin is/was never the gravitational centre for Germany as a whole in the way other capitals are, sustaining two or more big clubs for different tastes.

I only know two clearly politically aligned clubs in Germany, St. Pauli and FC Bayern.

How about Dynamo Berlin? ;)

[uclacarlos]

It could barely sustain one.
Move Germany!



Oh wait... wrong board. ;)


Thanks for the answers! i kinda suspected as much. Overall, you get the sense that there's been a build-up in excitement recently, and the immigrant kids pick up on that.

[MetroChile]

How about Dynamo Berlin? ;)

So we got Hertha, Union, Tennis Borussia, Tasmania...?
Any others?

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Berlin clubs? There are many more.
1.FC Union Berlin
Alemannia-Wacker Berlin
Berliner AK07
BFC Dynamo Berlin
BFC Meteor Berlin
BFC Preussen Berlin
BSV 92 Berlin
Blau-Weiss Berlin
Hertha BSC Berlin
Hertha Zehlendorf Berlin
HSG Humboldt-Uni Berlin
SC Minerva Berlin
SD Croatia Berlin
Tasmania Berlin-Gropiusstadt
Tennis Borussia Berlin
Türkiyemspor Berlin
TuS Makkabi Berlin
SV Yesilyurt Berlin

Plus some more... ;)

[Real Corona]

So we got Hertha, Union, Tennis Borussia, Tasmania...?
Any others?



It all depends how far down you want to go on the ladder. Some of those clubs are no more than glorified rec teams. We're talking 8th level.