Violations After Official Time Ended

[Wolves_67]

Someone asked this question in the Metro's forum but it hasn't been answered and this would be the place to get that answer.. :)
It refers to FIFA's ban on shirt removal or any violations that may occur after the match has officially ended. I would think a yellow can still be given. In the case of a fight after the final whistle would it be "higher ups" dealing with in at a latter time or would cards be also issued by the ref?
I seem to remember a player getting a red card in a game I was in years ago after the whistle.
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"I guess that's a good referee question, can a player be booked for an action taken after the game has ended (as happened in Brandi's case)? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.

And if so, how long does the ref's authority last?"
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[rcleopard]

First off, there is no Fifa law or instruction that bans the removal of jerseys at this time. There are numerous rumors that they will, but we do not act on rumors, and in the US, at least, we do not do it until our federation tells us to. I direct you to the US Soccer federation position paper on this topic:

http://www.ussoccer.com/templates/includes/services/referees/pdfs/position_papers/Removal_of_Jerseys_Celebrate.pdf

Brandi Chastain's yellow was given because she excessively taunted the opponents. It was a very excessive celebration. Simply removing the jersey does not earn an automatic card.

A referee is the referee when he is doing all actions connected to his duty. For example, if I go to a game, and on my way up to the field, a player yells "F*** you, REF!" , he can be written up in the match report and even redcarded before the game begins. They ARE allowed to replace him, though. If I am walking back to my car, and get an equal treatment.. the same. It just goes into the match report and the competition committee handles it. In short, a referees duty extends so far as the competition he is concerned with. If another team's player yells that, and you're not reffing that game, then you may make a note of it (as it brings disrepute) but you cannot redcard that player from his game. (odds are, he will recieve a suspension, as ref abuse is really starting to get frowned upon)

Redcard Leopard

[Wolves_67]

Originally posted by rcleopard
... a referees duty extends so far as the competition he is concerned with.
Redcard Leopard
Thanks.. So am I to assume by your answer that an action that occurs IMMEDIATELY after the final whistle, and while the players are still on the pitch, is not carded but should be handed over to the competition committee?

[rcleopard]

Nodnods. Should be in the misconduct report.

One for each incident. :P

RC

[stevieb]

Originally posted by Wolves_67
Thanks.. So am I to assume by your answer that an action that occurs IMMEDIATELY after the final whistle, and while the players are still on the pitch, is not carded but should be handed over to the competition committee?

A referee's authority over the players extends until he has left the complex so a player may be written up for misconduct after the whistle. In the case of the youth games that most of us here do that would include the coach or a player coming up after the game while you and the ARs have retired to where your bags are and says, "You're an F***ing idiot!" Or just continues to dissent about call(s) you made during the game.

For pro games where there is a dressing room for the officials if a player and/or coach comes to the room after the match to challenge the officials he can be written up for misconduct. As I recall reading information on the pro ref site the players and coaches are instructed that they have absolutely no business going to the dressing rooms and just attempting to do so can get them in serious trouble with the league.

I have shown cards to players following the game (either due to behavior to opponents during the "friendship line" or directed to me or my ARs) or booked coaches for dissent after the game is over. Not often but when needed.

[gkeck]

Originally posted by rcleopard

Brandi Chastain's yellow was given because she excessively taunted the opponents. It was a very excessive celebration.


Redcard, I am the first to admit that my memory is not as good as it used to be, plus, this being 4 years ago, however...I do not believe there was any card issued to Bandi.

Also, her celebration, in the opinion of this referee, was not taunting. It was pure celebration. When you win the World Cup, that is truly something to celebrate.

[MasterShake29]

I was the inspiration for the thread, so I'll chime in.

Can't imagine that as long as someone doesn't cross the line into taunting, that the referee will include a player who has just scored a golden goal (or winning PK) in his/her match report for shirt removal. I don't think that's the spirit of the rule.

[rcleopard]

Ahh.. that's right, she wasn't carded.

I had read this:


"I guess that's a good referee question, can a player be booked for an action taken after the game has ended (as happened in Brandi's case)? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong."

And thought she was. I hunted for the match report but never found it.

RC

[Wolves_67]

The question came up in the context of Brandi only using it as an example of what could be a bookable offense if and when FIFA's supposedly proposed ban on shirt removal becomes effective because her action had occured after the final whistle (in that case the kick that ended the match) and it was just wondered if the rule was in effect at that time if she could have been carded.
Looks like while the players are still on the pitch it can happen according to one post here and by another opinion it would be refered to the competition committee via a disiplinary report.
Perhaps both routes are options and a card is not "required" for actions occuring on the pitch after the match has ended???

[rcleopard]

Well, you cannot use cards after the match is over. Things just go into the disciplinary report.

The current standing on the shirt removal, at least in the US, is located on the USSF position papers page.

RC

[stevieb]

Originally posted by rcleopard
Well, you cannot use cards after the match is over. Things just go into the disciplinary report.

The current standing on the shirt removal, at least in the US, is located on the USSF position papers page.

RC

I guess someone needs to let Kevin Terry know about that! I saw him give a caution to Tony "The Mouth" Meola last season well after the game was over. Mr Terry was asked about that and he said that although he didn't need to show the card it was something he was allowed to do.

As to the shirt removal issue, we may well see in the next month a ruling from IFAB saying that a removal of the shirt is an automatic caution. The committee is meeting in October and will make the decision then. Hopefully the WWC will be over and we can all see Chastain take her jersey off again! :)

I wonder what will happen in the after-the-game shirt exchange? Will that be prohibited? How would you like to have to write that one up?

[comme]

A few years ago Eric Cantona was red-carded after the Cl game against Galatasaray, for an incident in the tunnel.

[Wolves_67]

Originally posted by stevieb

I wonder what will happen in the after-the-game shirt exchange? Will that be prohibited? How would you like to have to write that one up?
I thought I read something somewhere that players were already being asked to refrain from the exchanges on the field and do them in the tunnels or elsewhere after the match.
I know this has occured in at least a few cases already. I would think it's already "normal procedure" for women's matches.
I would have remembered a mass jersey exchange with a women's match. :)