Semifinal #1 Germany v Turkey - Post game discussion

[squidward123]

some said it may be because Aragones and Guiza going to Fenerbahce, maybe this.

only if they know personally some of the fenerbahce turkish players and that is unlikely

i think the answer is what crizmerz09 and I said

[sinan]

Your best player was Hamit Altintop, a german player. :p
yeah I know, his name was Hans Goldenball before.

hey Germans do you know the player who won the Bundesliga championship most?
he has a Turkish name, Turkish father.

[sinan]

only if they know personally some of the fenerbahce turkish players and that is unlikely

i think the answer is what crizmerz09 and I said
if they think that way , they already lost to Germany then if they pass Russia. cause they were cheering as if they are from Turkey, frankly I didnt cheer that much,they were probably very disappointed now.

[Cris 09]

yeah I know, his name was Hans Goldenball before.

hey Germans do you know the player who won the Bundesliga championship most?
he has a Turkish name, Turkish father.

Mehmet Scholl...class player!!

[Albirrojo]

This is 2008, there are bad calls in soccer: for goals have instant replay, like the one of Ruud versus Italy or the Italy goal negated by the linesman versus Romania I think.

The problem I see, is where does one stop having instant replay. I guess, just to call offsides and goals, it'd be nice to check falls in the box but I guess that is not feasible.

I think the foul on Lahm should have been a Free Kick not a penalty.

[Cris 09]

This is 2008, there are bad calls in soccer: for goals have instant replay, like the one of Ruud versus Italy or the Italy goal negated by the linesman versus Romania I think.

The problem I see, is where does one stop having instant replay. I guess, just to call offsides and goals, it'd be nice to check falls in the box but I guess that is not feasible.

I think the foul on Lahm should have been a Free Kick not a penalty.

Ruud's goal on Italy was valid according to the rulebook. Obscure rule or not - it's in there.

Lahm's call should have been a penalty, just watching the replay on ESPN Classic now.

Agree on the need of technology to help the game from being ruined due to poor calls made by refs, though!

[Albirrojo]

i agree that was a foul but it was outside the box if im not mistaken. However in this tournament cards have been given to the Turkish side so easy, but yet to oppositions so hard. Specially if this team is Germany of course. nether the less, Germany had a full squad and was torn apart by a Turkish B team.

As I said, I think that would have been at the most a Free Kick, the foul was on the line.

It seems the referees have received instructions to be very very careful in assessing penalty kicks and I'd say we've had very few. Mutu for Romania got an opportunity but I can't remember a whole lot of them called though I haven't seen every game.

[Wotan]

Look, the fact is: Germany won the game in spite of a "blown call" by the ref (On Lahm) & a 'fluke' goal by Turkey.

Also, all of the pressure was on Gemany, as the favorite & there was no pressure at all on Turkey, as they had achieved much more than expected!

(When i was younger, I coached High School basketball & i can tell you about how a heavily favored team can feel a lot of pressure!)

The Germans showed tenacity, a fighting spirit & courage (tho they did not play one of their better games). And, in the end, they won, scoring after Turkey had tied he game in the 83rd minute. Lots of teams would have been dis heartened & lost their spirit!

But, the Germans showed the valor & "never quit" character that seems to run in their DNA. The team should be proud & the German nation proud of them as well. Fact is, Netherlands is out, Portugal out & Italy out...& Germany is in the final! ;) As one former footballer stated years ago (i forget his name) he said..."Football is a game where both teams fight their hearts out for 90 minutes and in the end.............the Germans win!

Good win, Deutschland! And, well deserved. I firmly believe that much of this "anti German" thread..that some posters write....is merely jealousy!:(

Just my humble opinion. Wotan:)

[Albirrojo]

Ruud's goal on Italy was valid according to the rulebook. Obscure rule or not - it's in there.

Lahm's call should have been a penalty, just watching the replay on ESPN Classic now.

Agree on the need of technology to help the game from being ruined due to poor calls made by refs, though!
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I defended Ruud's goal as being legit but it was a poor example to use here, I was just saying, if there are questionable goals then use the technology but the Van Nistelrooy situation indeed does involve different rules for interpretation, that is correct.

I'm just thinking, it's silly to have some bad calls and let's say it is the year 2020 and no instant replay.

I don't think instant replay will happen until some countries, England, Germany or Italy start using it. It needs to be used by leagues first so who knows. The US doesn't and MLS is a good league but isn't really in the Elite yet.

[4evermedi]

Which Turkish goal was a fluke? Semih's? Total skill IMO The truth is the Turks had the better of the Germans especially in the first half and should have put them away. That goal post is still shaking from the force of kazim's shot! It could have ben 2-0 and "good night Germany" soon after that. When Turkiye plays well, the other side is portrayed to be having an off day...could it be the better play of the Turks made the Germans look bad for most of the game? Logic and the plays we saw on the pitch would indicate that.
The second German goal was a gift from Rustu who had no business coming out if he was not going to touch the ball. All I hear is that Lahm's situation was a penalty...how about him doing the same to the Turkish player in his 18? How come ther is no mention of that?
In the end Germany won, I congratulate them...and root for them in the final as they are a home to millions of hard-working migrant Turks there. But give credit where it is due.

[blue3d]

1. There should have been a penalty given to Germany for the takedown of their player in the box (on the line).
2. Turkey deserves to be in the final???? How about the 2 - 0 loss to Portugal? Germany won Portugal because of the non-call push from Ballack on Ferreira that should have nulled the goal. However, it was a very close game (would have ended on spot kicks).
3. Holland truly deserves to be in the final, but where are they?
4. The beauty and bane of these tournaments is the no-loss elimination. Anybody can beat anybody at least one time. It is unfortunate (in my opinion) that only a single game determines the outcome (unlike the NBA). Could you see Turkey beating Germany 4 out of 7 times? Could you see Russia beat the Netherlands 4 out of 7 games? I'm uncertain of the outcome of an Italy - France series, or a Portugal - Germany series. Whatever the outcome, it is dubious that the European Champion or World Cup Champion every year are always the best team in the tournament (ie. Greece). I wish the tournament would reflect this.

[sinan]

Good win, Deutschland! And, well deserved. I firmly believe that much of this "anti German" thread..that some posters write....is merely jealousy!:(

Just my humble opinion. Wotan:)
hey dudes why are you saying this all night? Who will be jealous of Germany ?
I dont know if you meant Turkish being jealous, if its that, then I say:
Do you think is there any Turkish who wants to be German now?
ok let me put that way
Germany - has lots of cups already, adding more cup is good, but what is great for Germany now?
Turkey - no cups, no finals, they already won as you said,

so who deserved much, more sympathy do you think? Turkey or Germany?

I mean if I was German, I would not be satisfied by another cup, I wish my team would dominate every team, and not looking for excuse saying `our guys were under stress`. These guys playing soccer more years than the high school kids lived in this world. Such an analogy is misleading.


Turkey , as you Germans saying "maybe the top 10-20 in attacking", (since it defense is terrible) this would make in top 50-60 overall according to your bright logic. So what about almost lose such a 40-50 th rank teams` B team.

Shots: Turkey 19, Germany 9
Shots on Goal: Turkey 11, Germany 4
Corners: Turkey 8, Germany 2
Posession: Turkey 55, Germany 45

This statistics similar to Turkish previous matches reversely(opponents having more positions, shots), people congratulated them, cause Turkey was an underdog with respect to Czech, Croatia.

But for Germany , they played worse, though they won as expected. No entertainment here, do you congratulate an English, when they beat San Marino 5-0? If you congratulate them, sorry for my long post, waste of time.
What were you expecting guys ? People to come and say `oh Germany you played great, wonderful, though you were underdog, you beat those B team of Turkey`
please be realistic.

[KumarsS]

I love Germany, I support the German national team and I reserve the right to be satisfied with any victory that places us in the final of the European Championships. Goals are entertaining, and winning is entertaining - I'd say I have plenty of cause to be entertained by the way Germany are playing.

[Cris 09]

Which Turkish goal was a fluke?

The 1st one. Lehmann was a true bufoon on that one. It was a "gift"!


But I take nothing away from Turkey and their play. Great team and great fighting spirit! Congrats on all your accomplishments - you guys are a reason why this Euro was great...thanks!

[sinan]

3. Holland truly deserves to be in the final, but where are they?

I dont waste time with other things, did you see Russia-Holland? Do you know what football is all about? Did you ever try to play soccer in a field?
Do you know who is Guus Hiddink? or you are just another Football Manager game guy evaluating teams based on the price of players?

[4evermedi]

Thank you.

[Albirrojo]

Turkey- 2 final four appearances in 6 years and they'll surely be FIFA top 10 after this tournament and Greece btw was 8th coming in: my interpretations are probably more lenient than others, but a bit like Croatia, I'd call them a power, maybe not the elite, but up there definitely.

[4evermedi]

I meant "thank you" Crismerz09...

[sinan]

The 1st one. Lehmann was a true bufoon on that one. It was a "gift"!


But I take nothing away from Turkey and their play. Great team and great fighting spirit! Congrats on all your accomplishments - you guys are a reason why this Euro was great...thanks!

Thanks dude, I ll not delve into any discusiion anyway about this spirit thing, lets call it belief. But its not that make you win a match. San Marino can spend one year in believing, got Fatih Terim as a coach, still I am not sure, they will do sth.

P.S. Sorry San Marino guys, I used you as an example all day long, you are champions of our hearts.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

Great effort by Turkey, but congrats to Germany