Semifinal #1 Germany v Turkey - Post game discussion

[squidward123]

You just remembered to me what Derwall said about the decrease of German football to a Turkish reporter, in mid 90s.

can you explain? I don't get your point

[roxbury]

@sinan,

buddy dont continue to match talk here.

dont you see,
some users act like a hatret against to Turkish NT and against to Turkish fans.


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This is a soccer/football community,
we can talk anything about game,
ref or players or stadium or clubs nsr etc.


loser team supporters cant talk,

winner always right.

to talk about match positions and connect with that line to ref,
make someone mad...it seems.

but, in the other side, yet same people keep saying theyr position at the game....


double standart...


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[torque]

I usually come to bigsoccer.com after most every match of a world cup or a Euro to further enjoy the experience of great Soccer. It's usually a lot of fun to read threads like this one. Of course, it's even more fun, when the team I support has won, you'll understand that, i guess.

But this time it has been awful. There's so much hate speak, trash talk and trolling in both topics about this semi, it makes me sad.

Personally, I was rooting for Germany, but I would have rooted for Turkey if they had advanced. This is also what almost everyone who was interviewed on German TV said before and after the match, no matter what nationality they were. Even the Turks in Istanbul told the German reporter that they enjoyed the match and their team's great performance and will cheer for Germany in the final now. Everyone's celebrating here, Germans as well as Turks.

All was well. Peace and harmony. Then I came here and you totally ruined the evening for me. So to all you haters, nationalists and referee blamers: You SUCK. (Sorry)

Scrooge, cool down man, it seems that you did not see the full thread.

Germany won, that's simple. And to question that is stupid, and I honestly congratulate.

We still boil due to suspensions in the previous matches. This is not due to German team, isnt it?

Go have some fun and leave the moaning to us. I would be better off if were comfortably beaten, the frustration is so high, but to put a shade on your win in footballing terms is aboslutely unfair.

[$crooge]

@sinan
West. You think it's worse in the East? Sadly, that might be true.

@torque
You probably missunderstood me. I dont expect everyone to celebrate with me. :)
But there were several guys that didnt post anything but troll posts, some of which apparently even got red carded for it. (good)

Sure there's always a kind of heated discussion in post game threads, that's just fine.

[sinan]

can you explain? I don't get your point
I tried to meant, I would not get the score oriented view unless I had not read it.
it was a long and beautiful interview, ok I ll try to explain with my not so good English.
He was saying, in the old times, when he was child, the players like Beckenbauer, Vogts, and some other, they were training in the residuals of wars , like reisuduals of buildings, tanks. Germany was such a place like there was no modern pitches, straight areas, so when they were playing soccer, they were faking around a residual of a tank, building or whatever, and that way they became very skilled players, then when later, these soccer school is formed, unskilled players were started to dominate Germany. I thought the situation like similar to that in Brasil, then he was saying , thats physical , respectively unskilled players caused to defensive football, evolution of German football .. like that, is not that available in German somewhere?

[sinan]

@sinan
West. You think it's worse in the East? Sadly, that might be true.

Sure there's always a kind of heated discussion in post game threads, that's just fine.
I thouht you were from East, I thought people from East is more friendly, I just had a German friend from Kaiserslautern (guess its in west) and he was not rooting Germany national team hehe, and hating Ballack.

[ForeverRed]

I can't wait to see more of this Turkish side in WC qualifying.

[torque]

@sinan,

buddy dont continue to match talk here.

dont you see,
some users act like a hatret against to Turkish NT and against to Turkish fans.


@

This is a soccer/football community,
we can talk anything about game,
ref or players or stadium or clubs nsr etc.


loser team supporters cant talk,

winner always right.

to talk about match positions and connect with that line to ref,
make someone mad...it seems.

but, in the other side, yet same people keep saying theyr position at the game....


double standart...


bs







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Roxbury, it is true that with the yellow card standard today, we (turkish NT) should not have had any suspensions.

However, this was bad refereiing. However, with a nasty plan? No! If so, we would concede a penalty goal at 51. min. It was arguably out the box, however seeing the position again, not sure about it. To me, seeing the penalty standard until now in the tournament, the position of Colin was not sufficient to have a penalty (excluding the Austrial Poland game).

We rode luck sometimes until now, and now we had it against us. Our young team had a lot of lessons from this tournament. We could make it but couldn't. Fate was owed to the German Nt from their similar defat in WC 2006 semi.

[sinan]

@sinan,

This is a soccer/football community,
we can talk anything about game,
ref or players or stadium or clubs nsr etc.


loser team supporters cant talk,

winner always right.

to talk about match positions and connect with that line to ref,
make someone mad...it seems.

but, in the other side, yet same people keep saying theyr position at the game....


double standart...



y\

I think its time to talk about why referees suck in World cups, European Cups but not in CLs (after group stage)?
I think answer can be found by thinking a little bit.

[squidward123]

I tried to meant, I would not get the score oriented view unless I had not read it.
it was a long and beautiful interview, ok I ll try to explain with my not so good English.
He was saying, in the old times, when he was child, the players like Beckenbauer, Vogts, and some other, they were training in the residuals of wars , like reisuduals of buildings, tanks. Germany was such a place like there was no modern pitches, straight areas, so when they were playing soccer, they were faking around a residual of a tank, building or whatever, and that way they became very skilled players, then when later, these soccer school is formed, unskilled players were started to dominate Germany. I thought the situation like similar to that in Brasil, then he was saying , thats physical , respectively unskilled players caused to defensive football, evolution of German football .. like that, is not that available in German somewhere?

ohh i get you now. Yes I've heard those comments from derwall now and they are true.

The players became less skillful in the 90s and late 80s.

However it's sort of reversing now. The 2006 WC and the 2 years after it were actually very good overall.

in this tournament there have been 2 good games, but the portugal one was slowed down in the attacking, skillful sense after the 2 goal leads.

[$crooge]

I thouht you were from East, I thought people from East is more friendly, I just had a German friend from Kaiserslautern (guess its in west) and he was not rooting Germany national team hehe, and hating Ballack.
Oh ok, Kaiserslautern is in the West, yes, near the place where I live.
You usually hear it the other way round, that there's more prejudices against foreigners, including the large Turkish minority, in the East than in the West. but then again, maybe that's a prejudice, too.

like that, is not that available in German somewhere?
(Not sure if I understand you correctly.)
Actually the current German team is considered one of great individual skill as opposed to all the teams since at least '96. Of course, today's match wasn't exactly a good display of skill... ;)

I thought they were very, very nervous and lacked self-confidence in the beginning - the opposite of what the "typical German team" is. When they arent that nervous, they do play soccer that is nice to watch (like against Portugal, Poland or in most games during the qualification).

[Thatturkishguy]

Good Luck in the finals Germany. Turks good tournament.

Well time to take my frustration about the Turkish loss to the pitch. Wish me luck...

Turkiye
Turkiye
Turkiye

[sinan]

(Not sure if I understand you correctly.)
Actually the current German team is considered one of great individual skill as opposed to all the teams since at least '96. Of course, today's match wasn't exactly a good display of skill... ;)

I thought they were very, very nervous and lacked self-confidence in the beginning - the opposite of what the "typical German team" is. When they arent that nervous, they do play soccer that is nice to watch (like against Portugal, Poland or in most games during the qualification).

The interview was done in mid 90`s, not a new one and was comparing Germany of 50`s-60`s to other periods. I know I liked the way they played in 2006, but believe me in Turkey , I never saw people around me rooting for Germany or Italy (Except me, italy in 94,2000, germany 2006,96). They hate Germany`s play, Italy`s play (though I like their style time to time), in Turkey people mostly root for Netherlands, Argentina, etc etc.

[Q Exp]

I was rooting for the underdog in this one. Germany already has so many major titles and Turkey I don't think has ever won one. I think they could have made a good movie out of this if Turkey won this Euro. Thank you Turkey for making the Euros that much better.

[roxbury]

well said sinan.
i get it.;)


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anyway,
here is the game interview from channel4.com:



Germany out Turkeyed the Turks with a last-gasp win in arguably the best match of the tournament. Turkey dominated the possession and made the most chances, but the Germans came from behind to take the lead before surrendering the advantage and then dealing a last-minute knockout blow.

Germany lined up against Turkey as strong favourites after disposing of Portugal in the quarter-finals. Coach Joachim Low opted to stick with the 4-2-3-1 system that had worked so well, with Miroslav Klose again taking the lone striker role. Behind him Michael Ballack took a more advanced role, while Lukas Podolski and Bastian Schweinsteiger held the wide positions. Arne Friedrich, Thomas Hitzlsperger and Simon Rolfes all kept their places after Torsten Frings failed a late fitness test.

Turkey boss Fatih Terim faced some tough decisions going into this game with so many absences. No less than four players were suspended and a hefty injury list, including stars Nihat Kahveci, Servet Cetin and Emre Belozoglu, meant Ayhan Akman, Ugur Boral and Semih Senturk all made their first starting appearance of the tournament.

The match started with a message of mutual respect from the two captains Rustu Recber and Ballack, asking the fans to unite in a celebration of football and denounce racism. Once the niceties were concluded Germany took control of possession in the early stages, although it was Turkey who came closest to opening the scoring in the first five minutes, with the German defenders twice having to clear dangerous crosses from inside their six-yard box.

The Crescent Stars also had the first shot as Colin Kazim-Richards struck a long-range effort into the chest of German goalkeeper Jens Lehmann, and the veteran No 1 was soon called into action again as he smothered the ball at the feet of Hamit Altintop after the midfielder had caught Philipp Lahm in possession on the edge of the area.

Turkey continued to threaten and Kazim-Richards was unlucky to see his rocket fly back off the crossbar following a slick move after Schweinsteiger had given the ball way in midfield, resulting in the English-born winger striking the cut back around the penalty spot.

It was Germany's turn to worry the opposition defence next though, as Podolski managed to poke a loose ball ahead of Ballack in the penalty area, but makeshift centre-back Mehmet Topal cleared the threat with an excellent last-ditch tackle. However, Low's side were still struggling to keep possession in Turkey's half and were surprisingly second best.

The Turkish domination was represented in the scoreline after 22 minutes when Kazim-Richards' looping shot hit the crossbar again, but this time the rebound fell to Ugur Boral to strike the ball through the legs of Lehmann, just ricocheting over the line under the desperate goalkeeper's body.

But their lead lasted just four minutes. Podolski found acres of space on the left wing and slid the ball low across goal for Schweinsteiger to beat his marker to the cross and flick the ball with the outside of his foot, leaving Rustu with no chance from such close range.

Lehmann was nearly caught out when he started to come out of his goal early for a floated Hamit Altintop free-kick, before the Stuttgart new boy back-pedalled and managed to tip the ball over the bar at full stretch.

Germany looked set to complete a comeback when Hitzlsperger set Podolski free on the half way line, but after sprinting clear of the Turkish defenders the Bayern Munich forward fired his shot just over the bar after opting for power over accuracy.

Lehmann redeemed himself after his nervy start to the game when he pushed away Hamit Altintop's free-kick, with the German-born midfielder trying to catch the former Milan 'keeper by surprise with a powered shot from a tight angle.

Ayhan Akman and Rolfes both had to go off the field for treatment after a nasty clash of heads left both players bleeding, although the German's cut around his eye was the most worrying. The temporary reduction of players saw the game open up though, as Germany and Turkey both broke quickly before Sabri Sarioglu's powerful shot fizzed narrowly over the bar.

The injury to Rolfes proved to be more serious than originally thought and seemed to have forced Low into a gamble, as Frings prepared to come on despite failing his fitness test before the match. However, a change of plan saw Rolfes came back on to the field of play still looking a little dazed from the collision with two minutes left before half time.

He didn't have to wait long to get a longer rest though, as Swiss referee Massimo Busacca called time on a thoroughly entertaining first half, even if the Turkish would be by far the happiest of the two teams after exploiting the space in the German defence and looking the most dangerous.

Frings was introduced by the start of the second half after a closer inspection of Rolfes' injury. Low resisted the urge to change his tactics though, with Frings being a straight replacement beside Hitzlsperger as one of the two holding midfielders.

Germany were outraged five minutes into the second half when Lahm cut inside on the left wing and went down under a challenge from Sabri right on the edge of the penalty area. The Turkish full-back certainly seemed to make contact with the Bayern Munich star, but the referee waved away the fierce protests for a penalty as Turkey played on.

The second half continued a lot more even than the first, although Germany were still suffering due to their poor distribution from the back. Both teams were finding chances much harder to come by though, even if Turkey did start regain the advantage as the game entered the final 20 minutes of normal time.

Ugur Boral kept Lehmann on his toes as he cut inside from the left wing, but his shot was hit straight at the German shot stopper at the near post. Hitzlsperger responded immediately with a trademark left-foot drive from range that skimmed the outside of the post with Rustu beaten.

It was Germany who took the advantage with 11 minutes left, completely against the run of play. Lahm crossed deep from the left and Rustu rashly rushed off his goal line to punch, but was beaten to the ball by Klose who headed into the gaping net.

It wasn't to last though as Turkey once again showed their resilience by hitting back almost immediately. Full-back Sabri beat Lahm on the right wing and crossed low into the six-yard box. Semih met the ball first and flicked the ball on towards the near post, where it rolled over the line past Lehmann who had already gone down to collect the cross.

With 30 seconds remaining of normal time there was one final twist left as the Turkish bench got involved in a row as they tried to bring on their third substitute. Lahm found himself free in the penalty area with his back to goal and turned well before striking the ball above the dive of Rustu and into the roof of the net to give Germany the lead.

There were three minutes of injury time still to play, but Turkey couldn't find one of their trademark late comebacks to deny Germany a place in the Final despite the Crescent Stars dominating much of the game.

channel4.com

[Borussia]

Congrats to Turkey on a great performance, they deserved to be the winner tonight! Fortunately for us, they weren't clever enough to get us k.o. in the first half...

I'm still shocked & pissed off by our awful play (was this really the same team from the Portugal game?), that I better go to bed now! :mad: ;)


Buona notte.


Btw: It was great to see Germany and Turkey fans celebrating together before AND after the game! :)

[S.J. Jim]

I can't wait to see more of this Turkish side in WC qualifying.

I'm looking forward to seeing them play again also. I was impressed by what they did in 2002, but their performance in this tournament was very special. The desire and determination they showed- even when all hope seemed lost- was inspirational even to someone like myself who has never really followed their team's progress. I was completely neutral for today's match, and I have nothing against the germans (although they knocked my U.S. team out of the 2002 WC), but as the match went on, I started hoping for the turks to win. How can a short-handed team put up such a great fight like that against an established power? Amazing tenacity and determination. My hat is off to the turks, even in defeat. And well done by the germans. Congratulations to both teams, and their fans. I only hope that the final will be as entertaining (and that no storms will disrupt the broadcast!).

[RobbyRobson]

what a crap.

when Turky scores in the last minute, everyone says they played so nice and they deserved to win. And when Germany scores in the last minute, they played scchit and it was luck... what crap. FACT IS Germany can play much much better then they showed us today, BUT that does not mean marching in final is not deserved.
Germany had bad and nice games in this Euro like every other "favorite" (Holland, Italy, Portugal...) but a professional Team KNOWS when to win and when they can lose. So Germany knows it's important to win in knockout stages. Now they're in the final. That's it.

And besides, it could have been 4:2, a clear penalty for Germany was not given. What crap. I can understand if the refree is not sure if it was penalty or not, but it was a clear foul AT LEAST he could blow the whistle and give a free kick.

[Borussia]

Good Luck in the finals Germany.

Thanx, mate!

You have all reasons to be proud tonight!

[sinan]

what a crap.

when Turky scores in the last minute, everyone says they played so nice and they deserved to win. And when Germany scores in the last minute, they played scchit and it was luck... what crap. FACT IS Germany can play much much better then they showed us today, BUT that does not mean marching in final is not deserved.
Germany had bad and nice games in this Euro like every other "favorite" (Holland, Italy, Portugal...) but a professional Team KNOWS when to win and when they can lose. So Germany knows it's important to win in knockout stages. Now they're in the final. That's it.

And besides, it could have been 4:2, a clear penalty for Germany was not given. What crap. I can understand if the refree is not sure if it was penalty or not, but it was a clear foul AT LEAST he could blow the whistle and give a free kick.
how old are you kid? depending on answer I ll leave the forum.