View Full Version : Semifinal #1 Germany vs Turkey [R]
RobbyRobson
24 Jun 2008, 11:27 AM
i predict 5:0 for Germany. They will make hardcore attacking football.
4evermedi
24 Jun 2008, 11:36 AM
If they do that, the Turkish midfielders/offense on the counter attack will have a picnic on the German 18 yard line! Loew is much smarter than attacking at all cost.
This is a smart and skilled Turkish team. Even with the back ups playing , you won't see much of a drop off. be ware.:cool:
Albirrojo
24 Jun 2008, 11:37 AM
Schweinsteiger was fouled 2 times harshly by the player he pushed, only seconds before he lost his head.
Volkan just lost his head without any reason.
Rutsu, the backup, may be playing better than Volkan anyway.
Rutsu is though, a competent goalkeeper and was first string in prior campaigns, at least for some if not all of the 2005-2006 campaign which ended in the playoff against Switzerland. I'd have to look up the information but he seems to be the least of Turkey's problems and played rather well against Croatia. I'd have to look at the video clips to size it up, but it doesn't need to be said, that Turkey let in goals, 2 against Portugal, 2 against the Czechs, 1 I guess to Switzerland all with Volkan in goal. Rutsu only let in that one goal in the 120th minute to Croatia which yes, involved one of those awkward situations for a goalkeeper, getting way off his line, similar to what Greece's goalkeeper did in their 2nd game versus Russia I think. And then, Croatia/Turkey went to the penalty shootout which favored the Turks.
So all of those words just say at this time, Rutsu may be playing better than Volkan, honestly.
Rutsu had an inspirational performance: there is a good chance he'll prove invaluable to the Turks in this game.
4evermedi
24 Jun 2008, 01:13 PM
You are correct...Rustu is an asset and not a liabilty. Lack of Arda and Tuncay is much more critical.
Tony Dellbird
24 Jun 2008, 01:18 PM
If they do that, the Turkish midfielders/offense on the counter attack will have a picnic on the German 18 yard line! Loew is much smarter than attacking at all cost.
This is a smart and skilled Turkish team. Even with the back ups playing , you won't see much of a drop off. be ware.:cool:
That's it. You stay positive. I hope you're right though...
4evermedi
24 Jun 2008, 01:48 PM
Wher do you go if you lose your positiveness? To mediocrity. Typical Turkish mentality...I have often been accused of being overly positive and optimistic, but on balance it has paid off.
I think we will prevail over our friends, the mighty Germany. New heros will emarge with names like Ugur, Ayhan and Gokdeniz to
Well you empahsised it now for the second time, maybe you should back it up. I am on this board for quite a while now and I havent noticed too much arrogance. And I am somewhat anoyed of this constant accusation of our fans, which doesnt realy corelate with reality.
Totally with you on this. :)
Equilibrium
24 Jun 2008, 03:14 PM
Although being German, I don't understand UEFA's decision to ban him for 2 games! I don't think that Volkan did anything worse than Schweinsteiger (who was banned only for 1 game)...
Volkan went to the bench after the red card, Schweini did not. Anyways footy, what is this arrogance crap you say? You are saying it is other than this game which suprises the hell out of me, especially since besides maybe 5 people, everyone thought Portugal would beat Germany in the German forum.
Nice post, and I agree that we will propably see the best Turkish team this tournament. And this is saying something after the Switzerland and Czech game. Mainly, because they have nothing to loose anymore, which paired with their never-give-up-attitude and talented players makes them a really, really dangerous side. Especially Altintop will be dangerous, and his shots are something Lehman should fear. But we will see...
I disagree. First of all, Turkey had nothing to lose in the quarters either and they had a lot more starters in that game. This time it's the entire B team with 2-3 starters, I don't see how on earth that huge amount of quality missing will make the Turks play better than ever. :confused: Realistically, Croatia had 3-4 pure chances to defeat Turkey, especailly had that Olic goal went in with so many starters. The guys did the most damage besides maybe Altintop are all out. Altintop will be marked by Lahm, so unless he goes in the middle, he's not going to have any chances to shoot.
My biggest concern is, what will happen when Turkey WINS? That's the real question, cause I doubt that all Germans will be able to accept defeat. :(
I'm guessing people be let down and sad for 2-3 days and then get on with business. It would be the shock of the decade in a major tournament for sure due to the circumstances though.
Tomorrow's front page of the local paper:
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cookiely
24 Jun 2008, 04:48 PM
Volkan went to the bench after the red card, Schweini did not.
I also think they overreacted. And considering how suspenseful the game was when the send off came, it would have been pure torture for himto go into the cabin.
disagree. First of all, Turkey had nothing to lose in the quarters either and they had a lot more starters in that game. This time it's the entire B team with 2-3 starters, I don't see how on earth that huge amount of quality missing will make the Turks play better than ever. Realistically, Croatia had 3-4 pure chances to defeat Turkey, especailly had that Olic goal went in with so many starters. The guys did the most damage besides maybe Altintop are all out. Altintop will be marked by Lahm, so unless he goes in the middle, he's not going to have any chances to shoot.
I know a NT that started with a C-team in Wembley and still won.
I am also a fan of one of those BL teams that always gets kicked out by one those amateur teams in the DFB Cup.
So I am certainly not going to underestimate the turks.
It is going to be a tough game like every other half final.
The turks had three incredible games where they came back late, games like this do wonders for your self-confidence and build up your team spirit.
And we should know best how far you can go with a good team spirit and belief in yourself.
So even when they start with a B-team and can`t use all their subs they are going to be dangerous til the last minute
And I agree that there won't be much trouble should Germany win. My biggest concern is, what will happen when Turkey WINS? That's the real question, cause I doubt that all Germans will be able to accept defeat.
Although, imo the press completely overreacts with their concerns, and no matter what happens it won't be as bad as they 'hope'.
:rolleyes: because we burnt down all those italian cafe`s and restaurant`s when they kicked us out in 2006.
Oscar
24 Jun 2008, 05:00 PM
I think there's a difference with a small group of Italians possbily celebrating a win against Germany, as opposed to large groups of Turks celebrating all night long they got a win. ( I know how it is, we got the same thing here :D )
I think there's a possiblity of trouble if this happened in any country, because there simply will be people who don't want to see the opponents celebrate a win against their country in their country.
The Natural
24 Jun 2008, 05:12 PM
Schweinsteiger was fouled 2 times harshly by the player he pushed, only seconds before he lost his head.
Volkan just lost his head without any reason.
Volkan lost his head from something Koller said while Zidane used his head for something Materazzi said.
ForeverRed
24 Jun 2008, 05:35 PM
May the better team win.
Albirrojo
24 Jun 2008, 05:41 PM
I do admit, Turkey's players will have to play out of this world, though better Rustu than Volkan.
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cookiely
24 Jun 2008, 05:44 PM
I think there's a difference with a small group of Italians possbily celebrating a win against Germany, as opposed to large groups of Turks celebrating all night long they got a win. ( I know how it is, we got the same thing here :D )
I think there's a possiblity of trouble if this happened in any country, because there simply will be people who don't want to see the opponents celebrate a win against their country in their country.
Italians are the second biggest foreigner group here in Germany, over 600 000 live here so you can hardly speak of a small group.
and of course it happens always something. There were a couple of riots after the Poland game and there were also a few after turkey lost against Portugal.
and of course there are some organized hooligan groups who are actually looking forward to cause some trouble. But I don`t think that it will be more extreme than any other game.
There wasnt any trouble after the swiss vs turkey game, who would have thought before the EC?
Oscar
24 Jun 2008, 05:46 PM
********, you got 600.000 Italians? I would have emigrated. :D
How many Turks are there over there?
Albirrojo
24 Jun 2008, 05:47 PM
********, you got 600.000 Italians? I would have emigrated. :D
How many Turks are there over there?
They say around 3 million, I heard there are a lot there. But let's hear them answer.
cuyseco
24 Jun 2008, 05:56 PM
Tomorrow Germany is leaving the Euro. Allah will be in charged of it :D
cookiely
24 Jun 2008, 06:00 PM
They say around 3 million, I heard there are a lot there. But let's hear them answer.
1.738.831(with a turkish passport)+ 415.000 germans with turkish backround.
those 600 000 italian were only the ones with italian passport btw.
cuyseco
24 Jun 2008, 06:18 PM
'Not afraid'
Terim took a philosophical view as he looked ahead to Turkey's biggest match since their 2002 FIFA World Cup semi-final loss to Brazil. "If you ask the coaches eliminated if they would be in my place with the players injured and suspended players or watching the semi from home I suppose they would still like to be here." Germany have won four of five previous semi-finals in this competition but Terim added: "We have courage and believe in our chances. We respect Germany but we are not afraid of them, just as we've not been afraid of any other opponent."
Vamos Turquia !!!! :)