Beasley still lacking in some basics...

[JohnR]

Most of you guys get waaay too excited about the World Cup.

It's 3 to 7 games every 4 years, fellas. In this past World Cup, Brian McBride scored more goals than Figo, Zidane, Crespo, and Saviola combined. Big flipping deal. The fact that Donovan happened to be the youngest (or second youngest) guy in the Cup to score a goal means very damn little. If the Brazilians brought a good 15-year-old and put him upfront in several games, the 15-year-old would have scored, too. Wouldn't make him the next Pele, just a good young player who was fortunate enough to get an opportunity in games that people really, really remember.

Right now, Donovan is a promising young player with excellent credentials (i.e., the U17 accomplishments) who has played pretty well for MLS and the U.S. national team. He's probably among the world's top 100 prospects, yes. But I wouldn't put him among the world's top 100 players, not until he does something like win a Leverkusen job and perform well, or be head and shoulders better than anybody else in the MLS.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by appooOnU

Stop over-reacting and just think a little.

Maybe you should the one who should be thinking a little. You are basing Donovan's talent and comparing him to established players. Owen, Requilme, Veron, Totti, Vieri, and those who you have mentioned are world class players. Even the best have off performances in tournament. There are tons of talented prospects out there that you have never even heard of because some of these guys were not given the opportunities like Donovan does due to failure to qualify the WC finals or that their country's squad is too talented. Do you think that Donovan would be in the rosters for countries like Holland, Brasil, Argentina, ect... Don't get me wrong, Donovan is talented but let's not get carried away. As of right now, I see Donovan more of a forward than a AM. He scored two WC goals as a forward. He is still weak and can be easily bump off the ball by physical defensive players. Check the US and Germany friendly in Germany when Jermies totally give Donovan fits.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by Jordan


Maybe you should the one who should be thinking a little. You are basing Donovan's talent and comparing him to established players.

While you go on basing it on things that never happened. I'll explain

He scored two WC goals as a forward.

First goal - Poland - Forwards=Mathis / McBride
Donovan - midfield
Second Goal - Mexico - Forwards=McBride and Wolff
Donovan - midfield

He is still weak and can be easily bump off the ball by physical defensive players. Check the US and Germany friendly in Germany when Jermies totally give Donovan fits.

I have a better idea. Go watch the game that MEANT something between the two teams and tell me who gave who fits.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by astabooty

im an american, i give credit to americans. i just dont think donovan is all that good. the people who stood out to me were sanneh, roenni or whatever his name is with the dreads, and friedel. whats next from u guys? agoos is best defender in the americas? How can anyone take your opinion seriously when you don't know one of our player's names?

Can you name just one other player for any other team who played a different position in five different games?

[nadpolice9]

"But I wouldn't put him among the world's top 100 players, not until he does something like win a Leverkusen job and perform well, or be head and shoulders better than anybody else in the MLS"

did you watch the game saturday? he is the best player in mls now.

[dark knight]

Originally posted by nadpolice9
"But I wouldn't put him among the world's top 100 players, not until he does something like win a Leverkusen job and perform well, or be head and shoulders better than anybody else in the MLS"

did you watch the game saturday? he is the best player in mls now.

Why do you say that? I watched the game and don't remember being overwhelmed by Donovan's performance. I forgot to tape the overtime, but do you have some more details about what leads you to that conclusion? Landon has 4 goals and 3 assists in 14 games in MLS which means he's behind Mark Chung's pace of 8 goals and 7 assists in 22 games.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
Originally posted by Jordan


Maybe you should the one who should be thinking a little. You are basing Donovan's talent and comparing him to established players.

While you go on basing it on things that never happened. I'll explain

He scored two WC goals as a forward.

First goal - Poland - Forwards=Mathis / McBride
Donovan - midfield
Second Goal - Mexico - Forwards=McBride and Wolff
Donovan - midfield

He is still weak and can be easily bump off the ball by physical defensive players. Check the US and Germany friendly in Germany when Jermies totally give Donovan fits.


I have a better idea. Go watch the game that MEANT something between the two teams and tell me who gave who fits.

You should watched those games over. He might have started in the midfielder, but ended up playing as a forward when he scored those goals. When McBribe was subbed in with JMM in the Poland game, Mathis move down to the midfield and Donovan on top. The same with the Mexico game, when both Wolff and McBride was subbed out. Donovan move on top and scored in the 90 minutes.

BTW. The friendly against Germany doesn't matter to Donovan? Here was a good opportunity for him to show up Bayern Leverkusan in Germany of all place. Tell me that game doesn't matter to Landon.

[astabo0ty]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
How can anyone take your opinion seriously when you don't know one of our player's names?
lol. sanneh and pablo are my fav US players. sorry if i dont know how to spell or even pronounce pablo's last name. i think of it as something like master roenni or something. not being able to spell his name shouldnt take away from my opinion. the thing is how can a top 15 player not make the leverkusen team? wanna know the most talented AM in the world under 20? Rafael Van der Vaart from ajax. well he isnt the most talented but better than Donovan :-)

[Jordan]

Originally posted by astabooty

lol. sanneh and pablo are my fav US players. sorry if i dont know how to spell or even pronounce pablo's last name. i think of it as something like master roenni or something. not being able to spell his name shouldnt take away from my opinion. the thing is how can a top 15 player not make the leverkusen team? wanna know the most talented AM in the world under 20? Rafael Van der Vaart from ajax. well he isnt the most talented but better than Donovan :-)

LOL. Van der who? He didn't played in the WC. He must not be good as Donovan. Seriously, Van der Vaart is a rising star.

[astabo0ty]

Originally posted by Jordan


LOL. Van der who? He didn't played in the WC. He must not be good as Donovan. Seriously, Van der Vaart is a rising star.

hey hey hey, why'd you have to bring up the holland not being in the World Cup thing? ;-) lol but i dont think Van der Vaart has even played for Holland yet, something always goes wrong like an injury when he is called up. But he is the star of the Ajax team and probably wouldn't still be in Holland if it wasn't for the financial problems in other European countries. He is an outstanding player who i believe owns Donovan. PSV has the best defense in Holland and he just had 2 goals against them. This is in a strong league, not the MLS. I dont know if the MLS wants to save all their talent and actually try building itself into a strong league instead of a development league, but their starts should go overseas.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by astabooty


hey hey hey, why'd you have to bring up the holland not being in the World Cup thing? ;-) lol but i dont think Van der Vaart has even played for Holland yet, something always goes wrong like an injury when he is called up. But he is the star of the Ajax team and probably wouldn't still be in Holland if it wasn't for the financial problems in other European countries. He is an outstanding player who i believe owns Donovan. PSV has the best defense in Holland and he just had 2 goals against them. This is in a strong league, not the MLS. I dont know if the MLS wants to save all their talent and actually try building itself into a strong league instead of a development league, but their starts should go overseas.
There are tons of talented youngster out there. It is just that they have got the opportunities to show their talent to the world as Donovan has in the WC. Saviola, Riquelme, Leandro ROMAGNOLI
and Andres D’ALLESANDRO didn't make the Argentinian squad. I think all of these guys are more talented than Donovan.
Check out the list from last year: http://www.footballtransfers.net/youth/misc/top50_2001/index.shtml
I think that Donovan really hates Bayer Leverkusan with the bad experiences that he has got there. He would do anything to get out of the contract. BTW, I thought it was John O'Brien who played AM for the US during the WC.

[appoo]

Originally posted by Jordan

There are tons of talented youngster out there. It is just that they have got the opportunities to show their talent to the world as Donovan has in the WC. Saviola, Riquelme, Leandro ROMAGNOLI
and Andres D’ALLESANDRO didn't make the Argentinian squad. I think all of these guys are more talented than Donovan.
Check out the list from last year: http://www.footballtransfers.net/youth/misc/top50_2001/index.shtml
I think that Donovan really hates Bayer Leverkusan with the bad experiences that he has got there. He would do anything to get out of the contract. BTW, I thought it was John O'Brien who played AM for the US during the WC.

John O'Brien was more of a defensive, but in reality he was everywhere. Kind of Like Claudio but on the left side, donovan spear-headed the attacks. Oh and I totally give. I call truce and agree that we can only disagree on the subject of Landon Donovan.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by appooOnU


John O'Brien was more of a defensive, but in reality he was everywhere. Kind of Like Claudio but on the left side, donovan spear-headed the attacks. Oh and I totally give. I call truce and agree that we can only disagree on the subject of Landon Donovan.

No Kidding. I thought the topic was about Beasley. Since when did Donovan get into the mixed and took over the thread?

[SoFla Metro]

Originally posted by JohnR
Most of you guys get waaay too excited about the World Cup.
Unintentionally funny post of the day

[appoo]

Originally posted by Jordan


No Kidding. I thought the topic was about Beasley. Since when did Donovan get into the mixed and took over the thread?

Sorry that was my fault. I made the comment "i wish people would stop cmparinf DMB to Donovan as Donovan is a top 10 - 15 talent"....thats when the sh!t started flying.

[JohnR]

Originally posted by SoFla Metro
Unintentionally funny post of the day

Actually, some of you guys probably do get waaay too excited about the Cup, now that I think of it.

[usagoal]

Originally posted by JohnR


Actually, some of you guys probably do get waaay too excited about the Cup, now that I think of it.

We got up at all crazy hours of the morning, we went to work with 30 minutes of sleep a day for a month. You can't do that if you don't get waaaaay excited about the cup.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by Jordan


You should watched those games over. He might have started in the midfielder, but ended up playing as a forward when he scored those goals. When McBribe was subbed in with JMM in the Poland game, Mathis move down to the midfield and Donovan on top. The same with the Mexico game, when both Wolff and McBride was subbed out. Donovan move on top and scored in the 90 minutes.

BTW. The friendly against Germany doesn't matter to Donovan? Here was a good opportunity for him to show up Bayern Leverkusan in Germany of all place. Tell me that game doesn't matter to Landon. You can't say he was playing forward or midfielder or anything when he scored against Poland. We basically went to a 2-8 for the last 30 minutes.

McBride was still in the game when Donovan scored against Mexico

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by appooOnU


Sorry that was my fault. I made the comment "i wish people would stop cmparinf DMB to Donovan as Donovan is a top 10 - 15 talent"....finally someone talking some sense ;)

[superdave]

Originally posted by JohnR
If the Brazilians brought a good 15-year-old and put him upfront in several games, the 15-year-old would have scored, too. Wouldn't make him the next Pele, just a good young player who was fortunate enough to get an opportunity in games that people really, really remember.
Dude, a 15 year old good enough to play ahead of the three Rs would be, by definition, an incredible prospect. He'd, by definition, be destined to be the greatest player of all time, so long as he avoided injuries and drugs.

Which is the whole point...a 20 year old good enough to start for a WC quarterfinalist is, by definition, a special, special player.