Beasley still lacking in some basics...

[ferrari77]

appooOnU- take a deep breath man because you are making lots of irrational statements, saying you have no clue what a player like juninho has over him makes me not want to jump to conclusions about the american soccer supporter because in all aspects of the game juninho was and still is more talented than mr donovan, in all aspects of the game. insulting ronaldinho like that, he is not really a better passer or dribbler than mr donovan, man you're smoking that purple weed. " I think this is a case of an inferiority complex. you hear an american player's name and "one of the worlds best" at the same time and you immediatly dismiss it without consideration, just because the player is American ". that is not the case, i could mention andres d'alessandro, javier saviola, leandro romagnoli or even kaka with brazil who have more tools than donovan. he is a pretty good player but dont mention him in the bunch of 10-15 most talented players in the world.
soccerfan220 i forgot about aghawonder, you are right he was the youngest.

[appoo]

Originally posted by ferrari77
appooOnU- take a deep breath man because you are making lots of irrational statements, saying you have no clue what a player like juninho has over him makes me not want to jump to conclusions about the american soccer supporter because in all aspects of the game juninho was and still is more talented than mr donovan, in all aspects of the game. insulting ronaldinho like that, he is not really a better passer or dribbler than mr donovan, man you're smoking that purple weed. " I think this is a case of an inferiority complex. you hear an american player's name and "one of the worlds best" at the same time and you immediatly dismiss it without consideration, just because the player is American ". that is not the case, i could mention andres d'alessandro, javier saviola, leandro romagnoli or even kaka with brazil who have more tools than donovan. he is a pretty good player but dont mention him in the bunch of 10-15 most talented players in the world.
soccerfan220 i forgot about aghawonder, you are right he was the youngest.

WHY is Juninho better than Landon? I don't know how I insulted Ronaldinho. From watching the brazilian games, Landon is much faster than Juninho, and take players on just as well if not better than he. This does not mean that Juninho is not a great player, in fact I love watching him. You just made a blanket statement without backing it up. I take me proof from the biggest soccer stage in the world. Did you watch our team play in the world cup? There was not a single player on the Portugese or German team that could come close to keeping up with donovan. he pretty much terrorized both teams. They say that those two teams have some of the best talent in the world. What are these tools of which you speak? Speed, Dribbling skills? passing skills? creatvity? agrresiveness? Just remember that Landon is 20 and getting better everyday. Did you notice the marksmenship he used in the germany game? In that first attempt ONLY Oliver Kahn saves that. He took that shot from one corner of the box and it was directly going to just inside the post of the opposite side. I mean that was an absolutly ridiculus shot. First touch: take the Poland game. He absolutly setup Joe-Max moore with a very difficult pass to make with a defender draped all over him. Unfotunatly JMM blasted it into a defeder. Dribbling skills and taking a player on, he spun a german defender completly around while attacking Kahn's goal, and toasted another one to reach a ball which the side ref unfairly rule off-sides. What tools doesn't he have? I don't know where this kid is lacking in top-level skills

[appoo]

oh, and just out of curiosity who is leandro romagnoli? I've never heard of him but there whole boatloads of good soccer players I probably don't know about. Whats his nationality and his club team and what position does he play?

[ferrari77]

first off juninho is 29 ! 29 years old and 20 are different, you arent as fleet of foot at 29 as you are at 20 so of course donovan is much faster. taking players on is another matter and donovan is not yet in juninhos class. donovan has good skills and fortunately for america he is only 20 and will get even better but watch your comparisons.
Leandro romagnoli is an argy, plays for san lorenzo, i believe he is 21, from watching a few san lorenzo matches when i was down there, he's quite an exquisite player, alot of skill, all the tricks, can cross well and knows how to find the net but what my mate dante tells me is that he was supposed to be a big star down there, next maradona and all that but he got kind of lazy and had an attitude problem and before you know it d'alessandro is the new maradona. but yeah the romagnoli fellow was quite good.

[appoo]

Originally posted by ferrari77
first off juninho is 29 ! 29 years old and 20 are different, you arent as fleet of foot at 29 as you are at 20 so of course donovan is much faster. taking players on is another matter and donovan is not yet in juninhos class. donovan has good skills and fortunately for america he is only 20 and will get even better but watch your comparisons.
Leandro romagnoli is an argy, plays for san lorenzo, i believe he is 21, from watching a few san lorenzo matches when i was down there, he's quite an exquisite player, alot of skill, all the tricks, can cross well and knows how to find the net but what my mate dante tells me is that he was supposed to be a big star down there, next maradona and all that but he got kind of lazy and had an attitude problem and before you know it d'alessandro is the new maradona. but yeah the romagnoli fellow was quite good.

Thanks for the info. As for Juninho...only reason I mentioned him was because someone said that half the brazilian team was more talented than Donovan. I just picked an attacking mid at random. Nothing against Juninho

[astabo0ty]

Originally posted by appooOnU


As for Juninho...only reason I mentioned him was because someone said that half the brazilian team was more talented than Donovan.
here is a list of some players
brazil holland argentina
Roberto Carlos kluivert batistuta
Ronaldo van nistelrooy crespo
Rivaldo cocu lopez
Ronaldinho davids d'allesandro
Cafu zenden riquelme
Gilberta Silva overmars saviola
Roque Junior hasselbaink aimar
Emerson van hooijdonk ortega
Luizao stam zanetti
Edilson de boer's sorin
Denilson van bommel ayala
Juninho van der vaart kily gonzalez
etc....
appooOnU i hope u shut up now...

[ferrari77]

appooOnU i get your drift man,i just have a soft spot for the little brazilian. for all the other american footy fans, i am currently in houston texas at the moment and reading the daily chronicle today i saw a funny article about a youth american football team whining about how they have nowhere to play and the soccer team have 5 fields and wont let them use one. the president of the soccer club says the gridiron team would be striping yardlines and sidelines creating confusion for the soccer players since the boundaries wouldnt line up.the gridiron president points out that football was played here before soccer." i had a good laugh and i feel american footy fans should enjoy that, guess which sport is the b.i.t.c.h in that scenario. hopefully in the near future one of those mls clubs can say that to another sports team, tell them to f'ck off. oh well it was a funny article.

[flanoverseas]

Originally posted by astabooty

here is a list of some players
brazil holland argentina
Roberto Carlos kluivert batistuta
Ronaldo van nistelrooy crespo
Rivaldo cocu lopez
Ronaldinho davids d'allesandro
Cafu zenden riquelme
Gilberta Silva overmars saviola
Roque Junior hasselbaink aimar
Emerson van hooijdonk ortega
Luizao stam zanetti
Edilson de boer's sorin
Denilson van bommel ayala
Juninho van der vaart kily gonzalez
etc....
appooOnU i hope u shut up now... DONOVAN IS ONLY 20!

The guy is legit, and just because he's not playing in Europe, he's got skills. Top 15 or 20? In my opinion, yes. Yours, no. But you'll never give credit to a US player, so your opinion is worth as much as sand in the desert.

[appoo]

Originally posted by astabooty

here is a list of some players
brazil holland argentina
Roberto Carlos kluivert batistuta
Ronaldo van nistelrooy crespo
Rivaldo cocu lopez
Ronaldinho davids d'allesandro
Cafu zenden riquelme
Gilberta Silva overmars saviola
Roque Junior hasselbaink aimar
Emerson van hooijdonk ortega
Luizao stam zanetti
Edilson de boer's sorin
Denilson van bommel ayala
Juninho van der vaart kily gonzalez
etc....
appooOnU i hope u shut up now...

dude, a bunch of those forwards are non passing pure forwards. ****** stam?? If any defender were as talented as Donovan do you think he'd be stuck man marking? Of forget it...I quit this line of conversation due to the fact that people refuse to listen

[astabo0ty]

Originally posted by flanoverseas
DONOVAN IS ONLY 20!

The guy is legit, and just because he's not playing in Europe, he's got skills. Top 15 or 20? In my opinion, yes. Yours, no. But you'll never give credit to a US player, so your opinion is worth as much as sand in the desert.
im an american, i give credit to americans. i just dont think donovan is all that good. the people who stood out to me were sanneh, roenni or whatever his name is with the dreads, and friedel. whats next from u guys? agoos is best defender in the americas?

[lplaksina]

eurosnobs.
don't ever acknowledge that maybe just maybe americans can be as good as euro's well sir the reality is that americans have progressed to world class status. now we just need to increase our numbers.
deal with it

[wunderkid]

i dont think its eurosnobbery due to the fact most of the players mentioned are South American...Donovan is a great player but to call him one of the top 20 is a bit much.

[appoo]

Originally posted by astabooty

im an american, i give credit to americans. i just dont think donovan is all that good. the people who stood out to me were sanneh, roenni or whatever his name is with the dreads, and friedel. whats next from u guys? agoos is best defender in the americas?

Fine, tell me why Michael Owen looked better than Landon Donovan in the World Cup. Along with Veron, Requilme, and Rui Costa. Throw in Damien Duff in for good measure. Robbie Keane did out perform Landon Donovan, and I would suspect that most people would consider him an outstanding prospect. The other players? Ronaldo and Rivaldo, Raul and Morientes, Ballack, Basturk, perhaps Diouf of senegal but he never scored. None of the english offensive players really stood out. Totti didn't look very good either after Ecudor, along with Inzhagi and Vieri. It was their defense that was awsome. Once again I know I am going to get blasted for this but what the hell why not.

[Jordan]

Originally posted by appooOnU


Fine, tell me why Michael Owen looked better than Landon Donovan in the World Cup. Along with Veron, Requilme, and Rui Costa. Throw in Damien Duff in for good measure. Robbie Keane did out perform Landon Donovan, and I would suspect that most people would consider him an outstanding prospect. The other players? Ronaldo and Rivaldo, Raul and Morientes, Ballack, Basturk, perhaps Diouf of senegal but he never scored. None of the english offensive players really stood out. Totti didn't look very good either after Ecudor, along with Inzhagi and Vieri. It was their defense that was awsome. Once again I know I am going to get blasted for this but what the hell why not.

What are you smoking man?? Donovan better than Owen?? You wished he is half the player that Owen is. Don't tell that Donovan is only 20. Remember that Owen was only 18 when he made an impression at the France 98. Owen has consistently proven that he is the one of the best forward in the world. Here is a brief bio:
In just four years as a professional, Michael Owen has scored more than 100 goals for Liverpool - including the winner in the 2001 FA Cup. He's already considered one of the best strikers in the history of English soccer. In a qualifying match for the 2002 World Cup, Michael Owen scored three goals in a 5-1 butt-kicking of Germany. The hat-trick helped Michael win the 2001 European Football of the Year - the first time a English player had won the award in 22 years

What has Donovan prove?? That he is the best in MLS. He isn't exactly lighting it up in MLS in scoring or assist is he? You arguments are full of inconsistencies. What are you comparing Donovan as?? One of the top forward or AM??? Requilme, Totti, Veron, Vieri, and Inzhagi have proven that they are great players in the toughest leagues. Let see what Donovan does in Europe before saying that he is top 10-15 strikers or even player in the world.

[Hool]

I'm Polish, but I hate euro************ingsnobs

[Jordan]

Originally posted by Hool
I'm Polish, but I hate euro************ingsnobs

Let's see. Yao Ming. Probably one of the best basketball player China has produce. All the Chinese people in the world can say that he is one of the best player in the world even if he didn't played a single game in the NBA. But who is gonna believe that he is one of the best or even top 10-15 player until he has proven that in the NBA. Ichiro Suzuki was the one of the best if not the best baseball player in Japan. He proved that he is one of the best in the world by playing in MLB. I can see that some of you MLS supporters have passion about soccer in the States and US players, but let's be real. MLS isn't exactly one of the top league in the world.

[kickin365]

Originally posted by appooOnU


Fine, tell me why Michael Owen looked better than Landon Donovan in the World Cup. Along with Veron, Requilme, and Rui Costa. Throw in Damien Duff in for good measure. Robbie Keane did out perform Landon Donovan, and I would suspect that most people would consider him an outstanding prospect. The other players? Ronaldo and Rivaldo, Raul and Morientes, Ballack, Basturk, perhaps Diouf of senegal but he never scored. None of the english offensive players really stood out. Totti didn't look very good either after Ecudor, along with Inzhagi and Vieri. It was their defense that was awsome. Once again I know I am going to get blasted for this but what the hell why not.


Part of the problem is that appooOnU you are judging LDs talent level vs these other players on one tournaments play. If LD was as good as you are saying he would be back at leverkusen or at another superclub. Its simple economics. He is not there yet but hopefully he will be when he is 25 or so.

[dj43]

So just for the record, those of you who have posted that staying in MLS right now will cause LD, DMB, Mastroeni and the rest to regress let me try to get this straight;
For the last year, they have been playing in MLS to get to where they are now. They all played well enough in WC to get major attention. Now if I am to accept your analysis I would have to believe that just because they did well in WC they will now go backwards if they continue to play AND train with the same organizations that allowed them to get to this level in the first place.

Sorry but my crystal ball is way too foggy to see how that logic can possibly fly.

Yes, at some point I would like to see some of these guys go to Europe if for no other reason than to prove they can play there. It would certainly cause a lot of the naysayers to cease their saying.

Unfortunately, with the state of finances at most of the Euro clubs right now, there is not a lot of money to go around. Don't think for a minute that all the financial woe hasn't had an impact on whether 4-6 of the better US MNT members got a contract in Europe. It has. It doesn't get reported as such but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Just go look at how much money some of the best clubs in the world have lost in the past 2 years and look at what they have had to do to stay solvent.

All that has hurt the opportunities of DMB, Mastro, Mathis and others. It is not their level of talent that is lacking, it is the availability of CASH, $$$$$, GREEN STUFF.

[appoo]

Originally posted by Jordan


What are you smoking man?? Donovan better than Owen?? You wished he is half the player that Owen is. Don't tell that Donovan is only 20. Remember that Owen was only 18 when he made an impression at the France 98. Owen has consistently proven that he is the one of the best forward in the world. Here is a brief bio:
In just four years as a professional, Michael Owen has scored more than 100 goals for Liverpool - including the winner in the 2001 FA Cup. He's already considered one of the best strikers in the history of English soccer. In a qualifying match for the 2002 World Cup, Michael Owen scored three goals in a 5-1 butt-kicking of Germany. The hat-trick helped Michael win the 2001 European Football of the Year - the first time a English player had won the award in 22 years

What has Donovan prove?? That he is the best in MLS. He isn't exactly lighting it up in MLS in scoring or assist is he? You arguments are full of inconsistencies. What are you comparing Donovan as?? One of the top forward or AM??? Requilme, Totti, Veron, Vieri, and Inzhagi have proven that they are great players in the toughest leagues. Let see what Donovan does in Europe before saying that he is top 10-15 strikers or even player in the world.

Please read the post before accusing me of something I never said. In what way did I say that Owen is better than Landon? In point of fact I think that Owen is indeed better than Landon. But I don't think that Owen is THAT much better. I simply asked why he looked like a better player than Landon? To the person who said he would be at Leverkusen? Well Leverkusen wants him back, LD doesn't want to go, there is another thread theorizing why. Look people, I said he is a top 10 - 15 TALENT. That doesn't mean he is better than everybody else in the world other than 14 players. It means he has the potential to be. You can throw a bunch of names into that category. Much more than 15. Is it that hard to swallow that he has that much talent and potential? Ronaldinho, Owen, Cisse (the french one) all have the same kind of talent and potential. Are they there yet? maybe, maybe not. Saviola has that kind of talent and he is a player who might actually make that claim. But does that mean he is more talented than Landon? no. Michael Owen is probably sbetter than Donovan as a forward, but who is the better Attacking Mid? But does that mean he is so much more talented than Landon that he completly overshadows him? no. Stop over-reacting and just think a little.

[JohnW]

Originally posted by appooOnU


Fine, tell me why Michael Owen looked better than Landon Donovan in the World Cup. Along with Veron, Requilme, and Rui Costa. ...Once again I know I am going to get blasted for this but what the hell why not.

I'll be gentle.

Riquelme didn't make Argentina's final World Cup roster. (Neither did Saviola.)