View Full Version : Beasley still lacking in some basics...
Dsocc
16 Aug 2002, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Stogey23
DMB plays some serious D.
Except when Joselito Vaca screwed him into the ground at least 3 times last Saturday.
MyHouse!
16 Aug 2002, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Dsocc
Except when Joselito Vaca screwed him into the ground at least 3 times last Saturday.
Was that before or after DMB took the ball from him on the right side and Vaca got so mad that he came back and chopped him down from behind earning the card? :rolleyes:
Dsocc
16 Aug 2002, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by MyHouse!
Was that before or after DMB took the ball from him on the right side and Vaca got so mad that he came back and chopped him down from behind earning the card? :rolleyes:
That was the 4th time. Vaca got him the 3 previous times.
wunderkid
16 Aug 2002, 10:49 AM
Vaca is a quality player...so losing a challenge to him is nothing to be ashamed of...you all talk about he is not that great but Fire fans have been watching him since he joined the Fire he has greatly improved. At the end of last season i didnt think he was good enough to make the US squad and i was wrong...And for anyone to say he cant play in the open field, when he and wolff played up top against Metrostars, he owned the field. Sure he wasnt in the dead center of mid running the field but he brutalized NY.
Beasley and donovan are nothing alike, except for their age.
monop_poly
16 Aug 2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by appooOnU
Who DOES have the talent and skills of Donovan?? I wish people would stop using him as a barometer for US talent. They forget he is one of the 10 - 15 most talented players in the world. If you want to compare him so someone start with Owen Hargraves, Manuel Rui Costa, Fracesco Totti.
I know this is a thread about Beasley, but this comment about Donovan is comical. God bless him, he's good, but he can't even be assured of a spot in Leverkusen's starting 11. So he's at least behind Basturk on the worldwide depth talent chart. There are guys with his skills, and at his age or younger, on many teams in the Argentine league, for example. There's just a lot of good footballers all over the world.
As for Beas, Europe's not biting ... yet. That's fine by me, so I can continue to watch him in Chicago.
soccerfan220
16 Aug 2002, 11:12 AM
"For you to assert that the teams listed above collective boast at least 60 players more talented than THE youngest player to score in the most recent WC is completely irrational"
The youngest player to score in this WC wasn't Donvan. Maybe he was the youngest player to score two goals, but not one.Agahowa is 19, and he scored for Nigeria against Sweden.
The player that DMB most reminds me of is Kieron Dyer, a fast wing who now and then has to line-up in a slot behind the strikers. The key to both of their success (Dyer is a year or two older, so he has a jump) is whether they develop the ability to be game changers because of their ball skills, to be the primary focus of the offense rather than a dangerous second or third option.
I think MLS is particularly good for allowing players to learn how to take over games, to become go-to guys rather than being a role-player on Bayern Munich (even Dyer doesn't play for one of the 5 biggest teams in england, though Newcastle is pretty good and was very good last year). Defenders, I think, can learn a lot in europe, but I have no problem with having the attacking stars of the USMNT playing in MLS....
soccerfan220
16 Aug 2002, 11:24 AM
Dyer plays on one of the five top teams in England. Dyer plays for Newcastle, and Newcastle finished fourth last season. Also, if Beasely, went to Europe, he would not go to Bayern!!!!!!!!!!! He would go somewhere like Perugia, Espanyol, West Ham, Hertha Berlin, or a team in that calibre.
astabo0ty
16 Aug 2002, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Martin Fischer
Well, one could play devil's advocate and argue that better players = better team. But no, you are right, that's crazy!
if better players=better team then wouldn't of seen argentina, italy, france, holland, colombia, etc of done better then they did in qualifying and in the WC? its players plus team work.
El_Maestro
16 Aug 2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Martin Fischer
Well, one could play devil's advocate and argue that better players = better team. But no, you are right, that's crazy!
Milan's Andriy Shevchenko is more talented than any MLS player. He is from Ukrania, how did Ukrania do in the World Cup? Oh, they didn't even qualify.
I guess there can be excepcionally talented players in mediocre teams.
What was that other guy's name, Weah or something?
peledre
16 Aug 2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by monop_poly
As for Beas, Europe's not biting ... yet. That's fine by me, so I can continue to watch him in Chicago.
Umm, you must be mistaken because Europe IS biting, just not at MLS's prices. Beasley was within days of transfering to Ajax, and their have been official offers from at least 1 EPL team, and several La Liga teams. Check your facts pal.
Martin Fischer
16 Aug 2002, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by astabooty
if better players=better team then wouldn't of seen argentina, italy, france, holland, colombia, etc of done better then they did in qualifying and in the WC? its players plus team work.
Yes there are other factors other than talent that make up a team. However at some point, results on the field have to take over for assumptions about which players are the best.
Colombia, that's a good one!
monop_poly
16 Aug 2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by peledre
Umm, you must be mistaken because Europe IS biting, just not at MLS's prices. Beasley was within days of transfering to Ajax, and their have been official offers from at least 1 EPL team, and several La Liga teams. Check your facts pal.
Well ... pal - now Ajax bailed out of the deal, didn't they? And I doubt it was the money - Victor Sikora might have had something to do with it. Please post the link where an "official offer" was made to Beasley by Charlton, Middlesbrough etc. but was turned down by MLS ... and any rumor/info that links Beasley to a La Liga team. I'd be interested.
He might end up in Europe come next year, he might not.
whip
16 Aug 2002, 12:38 PM
"""I think a lot will depend on the quality of coaching in this league. """
You think?? well let me tell you something YOU ARE RIGHT .....This is the first time I heard somebody on the soccer commnunity talking about the only problem that MLS/USSF face: THE COACHING CARROUSELS, I really hope that HRISTO STOICHKOV on his retirement, think about stay here in USA AND BECOME A MLS/USSF coach he seem to enjoy working with young players like DAMARCUS BEASLEY
Kobranzilla
16 Aug 2002, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by whip
You think?? well let me tell you something YOU ARE RIGHT .....This is the first time I heard somebody on the soccer commnunity talking about the only problem that MLS/USSF face: THE COACHING CARROUSELS, I really hope that HRISTO STOICHKOV on his retirement, think about stay here in USA AND BECOME A MLS/USSF coach he seem to enjoy working with young players like DAMARCUS BEASLEY
One of the SIDE EFFECTS of my being FROZEN is an inability to control THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE
tubby_butter
16 Aug 2002, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by jri
I recently saw him play in 2 MLS games...and I don't see any growth in his game. He is still largely an unimaginative player, still relying on kick-and-run and very simple "play it to the guy you are facing" stuff. His balance is still off too much, he does not get a clean plant a lot of the time.
Oh. You mean he plays like a traditional winger. And he's good at it. So. . . what's the problem? Ever watch Ryan Giggs play? You would probably say the same thing about him, except for the balance part.
This is Beasley's style of play, for better or worse. There is also another term for "play it to the guy you are facing". Its called "playing simple", and is exactly what you want a guy like him to do, when he is not taking defenders on.
I'm not saying he has reached his potential. But the "basics" you say he is lacking, are not qualities that anyone is expecting him to have.
appoo
17 Aug 2002, 02:32 AM
I made my comment about Donovan being one of the top 10 - 15 talents in the world based on what I saw ON THE FIELD. Everybody is naming "name" players. players they have probably never seen play in their lives. Does no one remember Donovan's romps through the German defesne. the GERMAN defense?? only reason he didn't have a hatrick in that game was cuz of the line judge ruling him offside and some goalie named Oliver Kahn. Think of player say...Rui Costa. Why is he any more talented than Landon? Landon was just as dangerous if not more so than he during our game vs. Portugal. I mean have you actually taken a look at Landon's skill set? the only thing lacking is defense. And he is getting better at that all the time. His finishing is improving every day, and his first touch, dribbling, and passing are all top notch. How many players in the world bring that much to the table?? People would say that Miroslav Klose is more talented than donovan, and people would be wrong. He has one thing over LD and thats a better head ball. I won't comment on Shevchenko becuase I was never fortunate enough to watch him. Half the Brazil team? I have no clue what a player like Juninho has over him. Ronaldinho has a better shot but he is not really a better passer or dribller. I tried my best to explain my case, but most of you will probably ignore it. I think this is a case of an inferiority complex. you hear an american player's name and "one of the worlds best" at the same time and you immediatly dismiss it without consideration, just because the player is American
peledre
17 Aug 2002, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by monop_poly
Well ... pal - now Ajax bailed out of the deal, didn't they? And I doubt it was the money - Victor Sikora might have had something to do with it. Please post the link where an "official offer" was made to Beasley by Charlton, Middlesbrough etc. but was turned down by MLS ... and any rumor/info that links Beasley to a La Liga team. I'd be interested.
He might end up in Europe come next year, he might not.
I was refuting the heresay that "Europe was not biting" in regards to beasley, and most certainly this is a patentley false thing to say. Boro made an official offer for Beasley, there's not really any need for me to drag down a story, as that's not the point.
flanoverseas
17 Aug 2002, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by appooOnU
Ronaldinho has a better shot but he is not really a better passer or dribller. I tried my best to explain my case, but most of you will probably ignore it. I think this is a case of an inferiority complex. you hear an american player's name and "one of the worlds best" at the same time and you immediatly dismiss it without consideration, just because the player is American I've agreed with your assertion about Donovan, but you probably shouldn't start saying he's better than Ronaldihno at passing :) Or probably at anything. but Ronaldinho is 22!
appoo
17 Aug 2002, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by flanoverseas
I've agreed with your assertion about Donovan, but you probably shouldn't start saying he's better than Ronaldihno at passing :) Or probably at anything. but Ronaldinho is 22!
hehe, i made certain not to claim that. I said that Ronaldinho isn't better than donovan, at least noticably, at passing. I didn't say Donovan was better than him. Besided at that level it really doesn't matter, its like comparing brands of diamonds. And donavan is only 20. The young-whippersnapper can't even drink legally.