Netherlands vs Russia Quarterfinal- Euro, 2008 [R]

[Dutchspursfan]

The error was carding him in the first place. It was really weird how the whole thing went down, though.

Maybe so, but he clearly withdrew the card because his linesman said the ball crossed the line, not because the linesman said it wasn't a foul. In his mind it was still a foul and he withdrew the card because he tought the ball crossed the line, and there's the error he made.

Defenitly weird, but as i said: costly.

I dont believe the russians would still have attacked so much if they were a man down and we should have at least gone to penalty's then. Not that we deserved it, but that doesnt matter when the referee makes such a mistake.

[elvesuvio]

What about the red card he withdrew? The ball clearly didnt cross the line so the russian guy should have been send of. That was at 1-1, so extra time would surely have been a lot different with 10 russians against 11 dutchman.

I cant have any complains about the russian win, because they deserved it fully, but this was a very costly error in my opinion.

wouldn't have changed a thing...the Dutch got dominated and that's it. The way the Russians played, they would have beat the Dutch with 7 or 8 men...they had speed, attack, counterattack, creativity, a decent defence and an incredible will to overcome. This whole debate about the card situation is ridiculous...there was NO foul..watch the replay and be honest...there should have been no call...let alone a card for the play. Russia deserved it and congratulations to them. Holland showed how overrated they are and how the media blew them way out of proportion.

[drc003]

Something seems to have been missed by many on the red card incident. It was obvious the ball didn't go out and imo may or may not have been a foul but was definitely not a yellow. However the ball fell to a completely unmarked Dutch player in a very, very dangerous position and the ref stopped the attack with his whistle and then turned around and gave the Russians a free kick! Pathetic job by the ref and a moment that possibly changed the entire tournament.

That being said the Russians were very strong all night and it made for a very exciting match. They moved the ball quickly and their dribbling and 1v1 skills continually broke the Dutch open for many opportunities. It was a great performance.

[drc003]

wouldn't have changed a thing...the Dutch got dominated and that's it. The way the Russians played, they would have beat the Dutch with 7 or 8 men...they had speed, attack, counterattack, creativity, a decent defence and an incredible will to overcome. This whole debate about the card situation is ridiculous...there was NO foul..watch the replay and be honest...there should have been no call...let alone a card for the play. Russia deserved it and congratulations to them. Holland showed how overrated they are and how the media blew them way out of proportion.

Are you 12 years old? They would have won with 7 or 8 men? Get real.

Also, I agree there probably shouldn't have been a foul which would have meant the Dutch had the ball on the edge of the box unmarked. Take your own advice and watch the replay. Unfortunately he did blow his whistle and unbelievably gave Russia a free kick. It's impossible to say whether that ridiculous moment of incompetence by the ref made a difference or not.

[Gandalf The Red]

Maybe so, but he clearly withdrew the card because his linesman said the ball crossed the line, not because the linesman said it wasn't a foul. In his mind it was still a foul and he withdrew the card because he tought the ball crossed the line, and there's the error he made.

Defenitly weird, but as i said: costly.

I dont believe the russians would still have attacked so much if they were a man down and we should have at least gone to penalty's then. Not that we deserved it, but that doesnt matter when the referee makes such a mistake.

no way was that a yellow card offence, please except your owning as a man does:mad:

[elvesuvio]

What about the red card he withdrew? The ball clearly didnt cross the line so the russian guy should have been send of. That was at 1-1, so extra time would surely have been a lot different with 10 russians against 11 dutchman.

I cant have any complains about the russian win, because they deserved it fully, but this was a very costly error in my opinion.

Are you 12 years old? They would have won with 7 or 8 men? Get real.

Also, I agree there probably shouldn't have been a foul which would have meant the Dutch had the ball on the edge of the box unmarked. Take your own advice and watch the replay. Unfortunately he did blow his whistle and unbelievably gave Russia a free kick. It's impossible to say whether that ridiculous moment of incompetence by the ref made a difference or not.

If you read my post you would realize the obvious exaggeration in my comments and my tone. Of course they wouldn't have won with 7 or 8 players...what are you, some kind of idiot? My point was Russia were the better team in all aspects and it seemed that they played with such vigor and courage that had they had been reduced to 7 or 8 men, they could have still won. If you want, we can discuss several other calls during this tournament that have shown officiating at its worst...some times to the benefit of Holland and where it made a definite difference. You win some calls, you lose some calls...its the game, right? Russia won because they were the "much" better team...

[Nebs]

Unfortunately he did blow his whistle and unbelievably gave Russia a free kick.

Uh, I think you should rewatch that part again.

[elvesuvio]

Uh, I think you should rewatch that part again.

dude, don't bother, he's already proven he's an idiot.

[drc003]

If you read my post you would realize the obvious exaggeration in my comments and my tone. Of course they wouldn't have won with 7 or 8 players...what are you, some kind of idiot? My point was Russia were the better team in all aspects and it seemed that they played with such vigor and courage that had they had been reduced to 7 or 8 men, they could have still won. If you want, we can discuss several other calls during this tournament that have shown officiating at its worst...some times to the benefit of Holland and where it made a definite difference. You win some calls, you lose some calls...its the game, right? Russia won because they were the "much" better team...

I completely agree that Russia were the better team on the night but that is one hell of an exaggeration saying a team that took extra time to win would have done so with 7 or 8 men. Beyond exaggeration.

I never said anything about Holland not getting calls, etc. There was one call being discussed and I was pointing out part of the incident that people seem to be leaving out.

[Alberto]

Uh, I think you should rewatch that part again.

I think the other poster has a point. The AR was 2-3 yards away from the corner flag when the ball was skirting the goal line, he waits for 2 seconds after the ball is off the line to raise his flag.

His decision effectively stops play and gives Russia an undeserved goal kick. The referee pulls a caution faster than Jesse James and then when perhaps realizing the Russian player already has a caution goes and consults with his AR. Like I posted earlier the AR is in no position to make the call on the ball ebing over the goal line. He is also in no position from 60-65 yards away to judge if Kolodin even makes contact with Sneijder. Completely made up calls. And total bullshit. I am not happy with those decisions.

What should have happened? He should have let play continue. It would have meant no free kick to Holland, no goal kick to Russian and several players disputing Sneijder's kick back towards midfield.

[drc003]

Uh, I think you should rewatch that part again.

Please tell me what is wrong with what I pointed out. PLEASE!

Are you saying Russia didn't get a free kick? Are you saying they deserved a free kick?

[midnightman]

Maybe so, but he clearly withdrew the card because his linesman said the ball crossed the line, not because the linesman said it wasn't a foul. In his mind it was still a foul and he withdrew the card because he tought the ball crossed the line, and there's the error he made.

Defenitly weird, but as i said: costly.



The replay really showed that the foul (if you consider there was one) is clearly not big enough to give a yellow card

[elvesuvio]

The replay really showed that the foul (if you consider there was one) is clearly not big enough to give a yellow card

I had to change my clothes...got soaked on the massive dive...LOL.

[Topfootball]

For the first time The Netherlands was beaten by a Dutch


The Russian victory against The Netherlands at European Championship was the first time ever when a Dutch, coaching the opponent beat The Netherlands in a football game.
The Netherlands vs Russia in quarter finals at EURO 2008 was the game nr 7 where The Netherlands team play against an opponent coached by a Dutch. Until now, there were 5 victories and a draw.
For Guus Hiddink this was the 3rd game against The Netherlands. First time was in 2006 while he coach Australia when the game end with a draw, and a lost while he coach the same Russia in a friendly game.

[elvesuvio]

For the first time The Netherlands was beaten by a Dutch


The Russian victory against The Netherlands at European Championship was the first time ever when a Dutch, coaching the opponent beat The Netherlands in a football game.
The Netherlands vs Russia in quarter finals at EURO 2008 was the game nr 7 where The Netherlands team play against an opponent coached by a Dutch. Until now, there were 5 victories and a draw.
For Guus Hiddink this was the 3rd game against The Netherlands. First time was in 2006 while he coach Australia when the game end with a draw, and a lost while he coach the same Russia in a friendly game.

make no mistake about it...Hiddink is one of the greatest coaches in the world.

[Johannes]

The replay really showed that the foul (if you consider there was one) is clearly not big enough to give a yellow card

I agree, and Russia deserved to win, but what bugs me is that the UEFA now says that the card was withdrawn because the AR informed Michel that there was no foul... Michel clearly made the "ball out of play" signal with his hands so that UEFA statement doesn't make sense at all. Why can't they admit that mistakes are made instead of fabricating some bogus explanation ?

RUSSIA good luck in the semis, if you play like you did against Holland you can beat any team !!!

[drc003]

dude, don't bother, he's already proven he's an idiot.

Now, now. No need for name calling.

Oh well, how about that match today? Karma's a real b*tch! :p

[vtqn]

After a day having the disappointment settled down a bit, I just want to say that Sneider and Van der Vaart didn't perform on the day. Until he scored the tying goal, van Nistelrooy was subpar too. Fortunately, the let-down only occurs once every 2 years.

[Albirrojo]

2 straight unbelievable days of soccer with Turkey and Croatia and then this Russia/Holland game.

Thanks Austria and Switzerland..this has been a crackerjack tournament.

I've been following these tournaments for awhile now including some of the AFCON (African Cup of Nations), Asian Cup, World Cup but all this seems absolutely brand new and unpredictable somewhat the way the NCAA March Madness basketball tournament can be often; a great tournament to watch even if basketball isn't really my sport.