Netherlands vs Russia Quarterfinal- Euro, 2008 [R]

[JediMindTricks]

is VDV even playing? he's disappeared since half time.

[unclesox]

Looks like neither side wants to go to penalties as the shots keep raining in. :cool:

[JeremyEritrea]

The ref has been totally biased, 3 times Ruud handles the ball and no call, Pavlyuchenko does it once innocuously and he gets called leading to the equaliser. Not to mention totally missing Ruud's elbow.

Funny, the Dutch fan thinks he's calling a bad game in favor of the Russians.

:D

[footyfan1]

I must state first that I think Michel is the best in the world and I do not think he's been biased, but...

I think the Dutch have a decent complaint here. First, the call is reversed because the AR said the ball went out first, which replays seem to indicate it didn't. Second, technically speaking, the ball being out of play shouldn't negate a card if it's for the reckless nature of the foul (in other words, yes, you'd "reverse" a yellow card for a tactical foul since you can't have a tactical foul if the ball was out of play--but you wouldn't, for example, reverse a red card if an elbow had been given).

In the end, "justice" was probably served and neutrals are definitely happy. I don't think people will have many complaints. Many, in fact, will laud Michel for using his AR and showing common sense. But, technically speaking, you can make a strong argument that Michel got it wrong here.


And again, you guys refer to REPLAYS that Michel doesn't have at his disposal. How about you guys remember that???

Referees make mistakes just like players make mistakes. It's part of the game.

[code1390]

The key word here being "almost."

He reversed his decision once he realized he was wrong. That, to me, is an indication of a good referee.

He reversed his decision because the AR said the ball was out. Otherwise the Russians would be playing short.

[President Ike]

Pavlyuchenco is really raising his stock in this tournament. what a shot that was..

[benztown]

is VDV even playing? he's disappeared since half time.

Snijder has taken his position. VDV plays more defensive now.

[JediMindTricks]

great chance by the russians...

[lanman]

In the end, "justice" was probably served and neutrals are definitely happy. I don't think people will have many complaints. Many, in fact, will laud Michel for using his AR and showing common sense. But, technically speaking, you can make a strong argument that Michel got it wrong here.

Even though the second yellow would have been very harsh, the Dutch should still have had a free kick in a dangerous area.
Fair play to Michel for going over to the AR, even if it was for an incorrect decision.

[DaveyGorgeous]

If it wasnt for Van Der Sar, Netherlands wouldve been out of this awhile ago. He's having a great day for the Oranje.

And who said the Russians were playing for PKs? They look just as if not more dangerous than the Dutch at the moment.

[JogaUsa]

Arshavin is killing it out there. The kid is a stud. You need a better shot after that quality run.

[gogunners14]

Pavlyuchenco is really raising his stock in this tournament. what a shot that was..

Agree, I feel like a number of Russian clubs will be losing key players after strong performances by the Russian squad in this Euro.

[JeremyEritrea]

2 times wrong does not make it right. He incorrectly calls the card for a foul that is not committed and then withdraws it for another incorrect call.

I am hung up on the ref because he keeps making bad calls, for both teams, heck I already started typing that he did before Russia scored and as a result of that I get a whole bunch of you accusing me of blaming him for Holland being behind while I never said or implied that. If I had wanted to do that I would have written that the referee is making us lose.

Dude, this referee is excellent. The more you try to convince us otherwise the more we all start to think that you're making excuses for your team.

He's doing a great job.

[lanman]

Referees make mistakes just like players make mistakes. It's part of the game.

Of course they do, but do you think that the AR would have signalled for a goal if that had been between the posts? It often seems to me that a goal is only given if the ball is fully across the line, but throw ins and corners/goal kicks are often given when the ball is only partially over the line.

[1shot1kill]

Jeremy, how can you call him a good referee when he makes an incorrect call and then reverses that call because of another incorrect call? He screwed up and his screw up was then reversed by a screw up by his linesman.

[MassachusettsRef]

And again, you guys refer to REPLAYS that Michel doesn't have at his disposal. How about you guys remember that???

Referees make mistakes just like players make mistakes. It's part of the game.Whoah, hold on. Don't include me in any of "you guys." First, I think Michel's been very good today (I've thought he's the best in the world since Collina retired). Second, I'm one of the biggest defenders of referees and I don't fault the AR at all for the goal line decision. I was just trying to give a technical answer and shed some light on the intricacies of the decision-making process here. Watch the referee board in the coming days--I suspect there will be a lot of discussion about this.

[lanman]

Jeremy, how can you call him a good referee when he makes an incorrect call and then reverses that call because of another incorrect call? He screwed up and his screw up was then reversed by a screw up by his linesman.

If Van Nistelrooy misses a simple chance does that make him a poor striker?

[JeremyEritrea]

Jeremy, how can you call him a good referee when he makes an incorrect call and then reverses that call because of another incorrect call? He screwed up and his screw up was then reversed by a screw up by his linesman.

Because he's a good referee, one of the best in the world. Michel is the new Collina.

[DaveyGorgeous]

Oh god... who gives a **** about the ref anymore. Let's all just watch the game.

[gogunners14]

Your complaints about the refereeing have been noted and registered. We get the point.