Game day: COLOMBIA vs. Ecuador (r) WC quals

[lfsr1544]

estamos de 3eros con un chile muy agrandezido, obviamente perederan los proximos 3 partidos, pues creo yo que el unico que pueden ganar es colombia vs chile. Hmmm, creo que tenemos que utilizar a Falcao en el juego contra Chile, porque el man conoce el juego de Sanchez. Tambien esas defensas chilenas son una basura, si nosotros vamos al ataque, el equipo chileno tendra las manos llenas tratando de controlar a DAYRO, FALCAO Y RODALLEGA. Me gustaria ver un Falcao mas tirado en la mitad y de puntas a dayro y roda, aunque pinto no jugara ese esquema por bruto.


1st of all Paisa, as Falcao doesnt play defense, why would his experience with Alexis mean anything:confused: -- or at least your vote to start? Secondly, have folks forgotten Wason should be back in form by then? Him with Dayro have already proved a good attack upfront. I will give you this, Falcao in the air v Chilenos would be good...uh, but someone actually has to serve the ball to the middle:rolleyes:.

I also wouldn't get ahead of ourselves. The one thing I do like about Pinto is that the guy is very humble. He's not waving huge Colombian flags or saying that our football is better then the rest. He leaves that for the fan.

The Chilenos have an impressive physical condition. They may be smaller then our guys but they run the entire field. They will also have a couple of additions that can only help their team. I just hope that Brazil does their job and get's them to th epoint of exhaustion. Sort of like what happened with Peru and Paraguay in their last matches, running much slower then the opposing team. But can we first deal with Uruguay. They are a direct opponent, are hot and cold so no one's ever sure which Uruguay will show up....very tough team to beat. Out of the last 5 matches, we've won ONE...and that was 4 years ago in WCQ.

[colombo]

I feel safer with Pinto than with Rueda.

Rueda basically started playing well in the game against Peru in B/qilla, with 9 games already played HORRIBLE!!! (lets say he played well two of the against Peru in Lima and against uruguay in Quilla) Don't you remember the games played against Ecuador in Quito? or as locals against Bolivia? (1-0) or the games against Venezuela and Argentina away? or how bad he managed the game against Paraguay in B/qilla?

And then when we needed good decisions he came after a 2-2 in Montevideo and guess what! he went for three points and we stepped down from the WC 2006, if we had tied that game we could have tried against Australia. Not to mention the awful game we played aginst Chile in B/quilla, that guy had too many opportunities to classify the team and he missed them all.

[MrPaisa]

1st of all Paisa, as Falcao doesnt play defense, why would his experience with Alexis mean anything:confused: -- or at least your vote to start? Secondly, have folks forgotten Wason should be back in form by then? Him with Dayro have already proved a good attack upfront. I will give you this, Falcao in the air v Chilenos would be good...uh, but someone actually has to serve the ball to the middle:rolleyes:.

I also wouldn't get ahead of ourselves. The one thing I do like about Pinto is that the guy is very humble. He's not waving huge Colombian flags or saying that our football is better then the rest. He leaves that for the fan.

The Chilenos have an impressive physical condition. They may be smaller then our guys but they run the entire field. They will also have a couple of additions that can only help their team. I just hope that Brazil does their job and get's them to th epoint of exhaustion. Sort of like what happened with Peru and Paraguay in their last matches, running much slower then the opposing team. But can we first deal with Uruguay. They are a direct opponent, are hot and cold so no one's ever sure which Uruguay will show up....very tough team to beat. Out of the last 5 matches, we've won ONE...and that was 4 years ago in WCQ.


You make great points with Uruguay, although we must say that WCQ colombia is very different from friendly colombia, although those differences are starting to shrink. I think we have what it takes to beat Uruguay, but the match itself scares me because I don't know which Uruguay team will show up. Will it be the overpowering team led by Forlan and Onion or will it be the team that doesn't know what to do except attack by the sides and then if met with resistance, tend to fall apart and become confused.

IN regards to Chile, I think having Falcao on the front helps undermine the attack of Sanchez, Strangely enough, I do think that someone that understands the tactics and is used to recieving passes from another player can help the overall mentality of the team. I have seen Falcao play a significant role as a defender when he heads and kicks balls out of corners and when he comes down to the midfield to recover a ball.

I am also hoping that C. Zapata will be present for both the Uruguay and Chile games, he is good at neutralizing quick strikers, and older guys like Abreu and Forlan can be caught by surprise with the speed and skill of Zapata. As for Chupete and Alexis, they will be forced to slow down if Zapata and Aquivaldo are effective at limiting their strikes. If you think about it el Chupete has little experience going up against defenders like Zapata, he plays in Mexico!

[efernandez9]

I feel safer with Pinto than with Rueda.

Rueda basically started playing well in the game against Peru in B/qilla, with 9 games already played HORRIBLE!!! (lets say he played well two of the against Peru in Lima and against uruguay in Quilla) Don't you remember the games played against Ecuador in Quito? or as locals against Bolivia? (1-0) or the games against Venezuela and Argentina away? or how bad he managed the game against Paraguay in B/qilla?

And then when we needed good decisions he came after a 2-2 in Montevideo and guess what! he went for three points and we stepped down from the WC 2006, if we had tied that game we could have tried against Australia. Not to mention the awful game we played aginst Chile in B/quilla, that guy had too many opportunities to classify the team and he missed them all. o contra paraguay en b/qilla?

[lfsr1544]

You make great points with Uruguay, although we must say that WCQ colombia is very different from friendly colombia, although those differences are starting to shrink. I think we have what it takes to beat Uruguay, but the match itself scares me because I don't know which Uruguay team will show up. Will it be the overpowering team led by Forlan and Onion or will it be the team that doesn't know what to do except attack by the sides and then if met with resistance, tend to fall apart and become confused.

IN regards to Chile, I think having Falcao on the front helps undermine the attack of Sanchez, Strangely enough, I do think that someone that understands the tactics and is used to recieving passes from another player can help the overall mentality of the team. I have seen Falcao play a significant role as a defender when he heads and kicks balls out of corners and when he comes down to the midfield to recover a ball.

I am also hoping that C. Zapata will be present for both the Uruguay and Chile games, he is good at neutralizing quick strikers, and older guys like Abreu and Forlan can be caught by surprise with the speed and skill of Zapata. As for Chupete and Alexis, they will be forced to slow down if Zapata and Aquivaldo are effective at limiting their strikes. If you think about it el Chupete has little experience going up against defenders like Zapata, he plays in Mexico!

WMoreno needs to be benched. Zapata is so much more in the CB position. But what happens when LPerea comes back...? To be honest, I would have him play the left back position when playing v Chile:

---ZUNIGA-----ZAPATA-----AQUI----LPEREA

Those 3 can hold the backline well.

[D.I.M]

WMoreno needs to be benched. Zapata is so much more in the CB position. But what happens when LPerea comes back...? To be honest, I would have him play the left back position when playing v Chile:

---ZUNIGA-----ZAPATA-----AQUI----LPEREA

Those 3 can hold the backline well.

Me gusta esa alineacion..

Lo unico es que Perea no da mucha salida... Pero tal vez podrian atacar mas los del media y hasta se podria jugar con u solo volante defensive sabiendo que hay tres marcadores buenos..

[dapip]

Podriamos tener un cuatro posterior de Calibre Internacional!!!!


Rivas----Zapata--Mosquera-----Perea

No mucha salida, pero muy solido en defensa....

[lfsr1544]

Podriamos tener un cuatro posterior de Calibre Internacional!!!!


Rivas----Zapata--Mosquera-----Perea

No mucha salida, pero muy solido en defensa....


no mucha = a nada con estos 4. De pronto jugando en Brazil o Argentina pero contras los otros hay que tener un hombre con algo de dispocion ofensiva.

[Alonso#13]

Podriamos tener un cuatro posterior de Calibre Internacional!!!!


Rivas----Zapata--Mosquera-----Perea

No mucha salida, pero muy solido en defensa....

hehehe, isnt Pinto's mid-field solid enough? Why would we need a back four of players who do not know who to dribble or cross a ball? At least with Zuniga,Bustos, or even Velez we have some sort of attack coming from the flanks.

[cbcol80]

First, we have to face the facts right now: despite having talent at the central defender position, NONE of them are playing well right now: Aquivaldo is just recovering from an injury (and it shows), Amaranto seems to get injured every 15 games and then loses form, Moreno is shaky at best, and Zapata is hot and cold. Jossimar Mosquera seems to have disappeared and I would'nt even call Rivas simply because he has not been part of Pinto's process and wouldn't gel with the other players. In the end, I believe Aquivaldo & Zapata are the duo that we should confide in: Aquivaldo's experience, strength & calming-effect coupled with Zapata's speed and marking abilities should be a nice complement. Obviously we are hurting at the fullback positions, but I propose Bustos & Gonzalez (cause I can't think of any other defensive left fullback worth mentioning) for away games and Bustos & Velez (cause I can't think of any other attacking left fullback worth mentioning) for home games. Bustos gets a bad rap, and while Vallejo and some others might be better defenders, Bustos is a bit more well rounded: he joins the attack every now and then, and his free kick ability goes without saying.
Midfield for away games should be as follows from left to right: Escobar, Amaya, Giovanni (for now), Sanchez. Midfield for home games from left to right: Totono, Amaya, Macnelly/Giovanni (at this point, its tough to say who should get the spot), Zuniga. Why Giovanni for away games? Because he can hold the ball, and slow down or speed up a game much more than Macnelly can (vieron como cambio el juego contra Ecuador cuando entro Gio?) For home games, I think Pinto still has to give Macnelly a shot at redemption (hes played like shit the last two games). Perhaps he needs a shot of confidence, one that you can only get in home games). And why Zuniga at right midfield? BECAUSE HE ATTACKS MUCH BETTER THAN HE DEFENDS!!!! It seems like no one else has noticed that: the guy is extremely agile and quick, has a good shot and always crosses the ball....why not try him in the "carrilero" position for home games, where we ALWAYS have to offensive-minded. To sum up, for away games, we have to be big, tough and be able to control the tempo of the game, and at home, we have to be quick, explosive & aggressive, but still leave the doberman standing guard (Amaya). Gio & Macnelly are the best creative midfielders we have right now (sad as that is, because in my opinion, "todavia les queda grande la camiseta del Pibe"). We'll have to make do.
I think we should ALWAYS play with two forwards: Pinto was a big ********** in the first half against Ecuador, leaving Rodallega all by himself. He realized he could actually win the game and put in Dayro, but it was a bit late by then. For ALL games, the duo should be Falcao & Rodallega: I think Rodallega has proven himself for the most part: the last two games he has bothered opposing defenses without much help. Falcao is going through a rough patch but he is a very good player, and I pray that one day he will just turn it on and become the world-class player we all know he can be. Rodallega should be the more mobile of the two, making the runs off the ball to give the midfield a target. Falcao should be the "pivot", taking a pass from Gio or Macnelly, playing to the sides to either Totono or Camilo and then turning and heading towards the goal...Rodallega should already be sprinting towards the net as soon as Falcao releases the ball, that way the midfield has two targets instead of one....
That being said, it is obvious what is wrong with our offense...: NO ONE MOVES WITHOUT THE ********ING BALL!!!...everyone seems to stand around when one of their teammates has the ball: There is no surprise to our attack....in a nutshell, NO HAY CAMBIO DE RITMO...and until we fix this, we will continue to be a low scoring team....
There is nothing wrong with a ball-possession style of attack: Valderrama, Rincon, Asprilla & Valencia all thrived in this style of play...the difference is, that while now our offense puts the crowd to sleep, back then, it use to put the defense to sleep before we delivered the death blow: Valderrama would string several passes together before sending a through ball to either Fredy, who was flying down the right wing, or Tino who was on a diagonal run from one side of the field to the other....ahhhh...those were the days....:)

[MrPaisa]

First, we have to face the facts right now: despite having talent at the central defender position, NONE of them are playing well right now: Aquivaldo is just recovering from an injury (and it shows), Amaranto seems to get injured every 15 games and then loses form, Moreno is shaky at best, and Zapata is hot and cold. Jossimar Mosquera seems to have disappeared and I would'nt even call Rivas simply because he has not been part of Pinto's process and wouldn't gel with the other players. In the end, I believe Aquivaldo & Zapata are the duo that we should confide in: Aquivaldo's experience, strength & calming-effect coupled with Zapata's speed and marking abilities should be a nice complement. Obviously we are hurting at the fullback positions, but I propose Bustos & Gonzalez (cause I can't think of any other defensive left fullback worth mentioning) for away games and Bustos & Velez (cause I can't think of any other attacking left fullback worth mentioning) for home games. Bustos gets a bad rap, and while Vallejo and some others might be better defenders, Bustos is a bit more well rounded: he joins the attack every now and then, and his free kick ability goes without saying.
Midfield for away games should be as follows from left to right: Escobar, Amaya, Giovanni (for now), Sanchez. Midfield for home games from left to right: Totono, Amaya, Macnelly/Giovanni (at this point, its tough to say who should get the spot), Zuniga. Why Giovanni for away games? Because he can hold the ball, and slow down or speed up a game much more than Macnelly can (vieron como cambio el juego contra Ecuador cuando entro Gio?) For home games, I think Pinto still has to give Macnelly a shot at redemption (hes played like shit the last two games). Perhaps he needs a shot of confidence, one that you can only get in home games). And why Zuniga at right midfield? BECAUSE HE ATTACKS MUCH BETTER THAN HE DEFENDS!!!! It seems like no one else has noticed that: the guy is extremely agile and quick, has a good shot and always crosses the ball....why not try him in the "carrilero" position for home games, where we ALWAYS have to offensive-minded. To sum up, for away games, we have to be big, tough and be able to control the tempo of the game, and at home, we have to be quick, explosive & aggressive, but still leave the doberman standing guard (Amaya). Gio & Macnelly are the best creative midfielders we have right now (sad as that is, because in my opinion, "todavia les queda grande la camiseta del Pibe"). We'll have to make do.
I think we should ALWAYS play with two forwards: Pinto was a big ********** in the first half against Ecuador, leaving Rodallega all by himself. He realized he could actually win the game and put in Dayro, but it was a bit late by then. For ALL games, the duo should be Falcao & Rodallega: I think Rodallega has proven himself for the most part: the last two games he has bothered opposing defenses without much help. Falcao is going through a rough patch but he is a very good player, and I pray that one day he will just turn it on and become the world-class player we all know he can be. Rodallega should be the more mobile of the two, making the runs off the ball to give the midfield a target. Falcao should be the "pivot", taking a pass from Gio or Macnelly, playing to the sides to either Totono or Camilo and then turning and heading towards the goal...Rodallega should already be sprinting towards the net as soon as Falcao releases the ball, that way the midfield has two targets instead of one....
That being said, it is obvious what is wrong with our offense...: NO ONE MOVES WITHOUT THE ********ING BALL!!!...everyone seems to stand around when one of their teammates has the ball: There is no surprise to our attack....in a nutshell, NO HAY CAMBIO DE RITMO...and until we fix this, we will continue to be a low scoring team....
There is nothing wrong with a ball-possession style of attack: Valderrama, Rincon, Asprilla & Valencia all thrived in this style of play...the difference is, that while now our offense puts the crowd to sleep, back then, it use to put the defense to sleep before we delivered the death blow: Valderrama would string several passes together before sending a through ball to either Fredy, who was flying down the right wing, or Tino who was on a diagonal run from one side of the field to the other....ahhhh...those were the days....:)


dude, i couldn't read that. Please look up the word paragraph.

[cbcol80]

Sorry for the long winded message, but I had to vent!!!!

[pipevasquez]

WMoreno needs to be benched. Zapata is so much more in the CB position. But what happens when LPerea comes back...? To be honest, I would have him play the left back position when playing v Chile:

---ZUNIGA-----ZAPATA-----AQUI----LPEREA

Those 3 can hold the backline well.

Pereaaaaa Noooooooo ese man es muy troncoooo, lo unico bueno es que tiene rapidez, pero es malo prefiero a eLvis

[lfsr1544]

Pereaaaaa Noooooooo ese man es muy troncoooo, lo unico bueno es que tiene rapidez, pero es malo prefiero a eLvis

tronco como central, pero de lateral sirve y cumple si estamos buscando puntos como visitantes. Por el lado de Elvis entraban todos...

[pipevasquez]

tronco como central, pero de lateral sirve y cumple si estamos buscando puntos como visitantes. Por el lado de Elvis entraban todos...


No estoy de acuerdo con ninguna de las cosas que dices. Pero buee

[lfsr1544]

No estoy de acuerdo con ninguna de las cosas que dices. Pero buee

no interesa si no estas de acuerdo. Atl Madrid le RENOVO el contrato al TRONCO y quiera o no es titular en el esquema de Pinto... por si, voz crees que Elvis a marquado diferencia en ese sector:rolleyes:....

[pepinointer]

no interesa si no estas de acuerdo. Atl Madrid le RENOVO el contrato al TRONCO y quiera o no es titular en el esquema de Pinto... por si, voz crees que Elvis a marquado diferencia en ese sector:rolleyes:....

contra ecuador elvis jugo bn, la mitad de los goles q le hacen al atletico son por errores de perea, el gol contra irlanda fue a un error de el, el gol q nos hizo paragfuay en eilimnatorias en barranquilla fue el error mas pendejo q le he visto algun defensa, a mi perea me da de todo menos seguridad

[lfsr1544]

contra ecuador elvis jugo bn, la mitad de los goles q le hacen al atletico son por errores de perea, el gol contra irlanda fue a un error de el, el gol q nos hizo paragfuay en eilimnatorias en barranquilla fue el error mas pendejo q le he visto algun defensa, a mi perea me da de todo menos seguridad

no digo que Perea sea lo mejor. Pero como el caso en todas posiciones del futbol, no todos los delanteros son cracks, o los medios Ballacks, o los defensas Cannavaro, etc... El gol contra Irlanda si fue su culpa pero si me gusto como se recompuso el resto del partido. Fue de mal a muy bien antes de salir lesionado. Prefiero a un 'torpe' Perea como decis voz, que a ese paquete de Walter Moreno. Ese man si que comete errores, por Dios. Y mas despacio no puede ser. Sobre Elvis, no se si es la tactica de Pinto, pero a el se le gana muy facil con fuerza. El pelado lucha, eso no se lo quito, pero nunca se manda a un ataque. Por eso es que dije LPerea. Ahora si Pinto le dice que ataque y el man lo hace, ok ya es otra cosa. Pero con el Elvis del Cucuta, este man no tiene nada que ver.

[minus]

Perea no es ningun Tronco... No hace poco era considerado uno de lo mejores centrales en Europa. Aqui la gente le canta usar la palabra tronco y paquete. Lo que pasa con Perea es que a cada rato se lesiona. El man no es ningun tronco y si el a bajado de nivel pero a un ugador no se le olvida como jugar.

[crzdcolombian]

Luis Perea is a great defender but always hurts and refuses to play where Pinto wants him..... he is not better than Zapata or Aquivaldo to play cb. And threw a tantram when we asked him to be RB when he does it at Madrid.....

I think the lack of respect he and IRC showd at Copa AMerica and demanding to be starters should have him banned from the team.