Which is the more successful team: Italy or Germany?

[nekkibasara]

Yes, it's part of the game but it's a crap shoot in a lot of ways. Again, it's a tribute to Germany's consistency and diligence that they have never been denied by the PK lottery but it's a worthy tid bit to consider when looking at teams' performances.Actually we lost our first ever penalty shoot-out in 1976 in the european championship final to Czechoslovakia. What a string of sucess we had at that time:
WC 1966; 2nd place
EC 1968; DNQ
WC 1970; 3rd place
EC 1972; Champion
WC 1974; Champion
EC 1976; 2nd place
WC 1978; 8th place
EC 1980; Champion

[ztnjv]

Actually we lost our first ever penalty shoot-out in 1976 in the european championship final to Czechoslovakia. What a string of sucess we had at that time:
WC 1966; 2nd place
EC 1968; DNQ
WC 1970; 3rd place
EC 1972; Champion
WC 1974; Champion
EC 1976; 2nd place
WC 1978; 8th place
EC 1980; Champion

Well, I was actually only referring to WC PK shootouts. I wasn't even thinking of EC...but I had no idea they'd lost the 76 final on PK's. Interesting.

[nekkibasara]

Well, I was actually only referring to WC PK shootouts. I wasn't even thinking of EC...but I had no idea they'd lost the 76 final on PK's. Interesting.That was the one and only time that we have lost in PK's. Its a shame that was our chance to win 3 consecutive international tournaments.

[Roland25]

Definitely Germany. The only way for Italy to top Germany is to count only its 4 WC golds against Germany 3's and to ignore other statistics. Germany has been in total 16 (Now 17) semi-finals combined in EU and WC. They reached 12 times to finals, and won 6 titles. Italy has still a long way to reach the record of Germany. Since 1954 Germany has always been among the best 8 teams in WC.

Not forgetting that Italy's first two titles happend before WWII, when football has not been developed enough yet (Actually both Germany and Brazil were average teams and Olympic games were taken more seriously by strong countries of time like England, Hungary)

[NickyViola]

The only way for Italy to top Germany is to count only its 4 WC golds against Germany 3's and to ignore other statistics.

Well, that's not the only way. As has been mentioned Italy consistently tops Germany head-to-head. But I do agree that Germany has a more impressive resume' for what it's worth.

[Roland25]

Well, that's not the only way. As has been mentioned Italy consistently tops Germany head-to-head. But I do agree that Germany has a more impressive resume' for what it's worth.


That's a point. Head to head Germany is behind Italy, specially in official games our Bilan is a disaster. Who knows, may be in this Euro we break this Talasim. Lest's hope both teams to reach final :cool:

[ITALIA1982]

That's a point. Head to head Germany is behind Italy, specially in official games our Bilan is a disaster. Who knows, may be in this Euro we break this Talasim. Lest's hope both teams to reach final :cool:


Well Germany are already in the Final, our mission is much more difficult...

[squidward123]

Well Germany are already in the Final, our mission is much more difficult...

oh don't say that

first they must focus on playing good football...any other thoughts and they'll find themselves not playing their best football on the field. Only their best football will make a win very sure.

[Roland25]

I do agree. Turkey is a very dangerouse team. Like a Boxer who has the lesser technical abilities but would never knock down until the last minuets. We need FULL concentration against them, otherwise we are out.

[Khaloisha]

I wouldn't underestimate Turkey, they made an absurd comeback 3 times already in this EC.

[ViscaBarca]

Would you rather that I weight a World Cup 2 points instead of 1.5 so that Italy would have more points than Germany instead of an equal number of points?

how about giving half a point for the one Mussolini got you?

[Perú FC]

I would NEVER trade Italy's 4 WC's with Germany's record of 3 WC's and 3 EC's...
So hence Italy has the better record...as winning WC's is the only measure of success.
Have to be a joke :D.

[Todorov]

Germany has more trophies in the whole, but Italy has more WC. Tough call, really, although I prefer the Italians. Nowadays, they're more powerful than the Germans, no doubt.

In terms of clubs, there's no questioning, but in terms o NT it is pretty even. Germany's victory in 1954 was a total robbery due to their infamous "vitamin C", so I'd say Italy.

[PoliGuru]

Germany

[Roland25]

Germany has more trophies in the whole, but Italy has more WC. Tough call, really, although I prefer the Italians. Nowadays, they're more powerful than the Germans, no doubt.

In terms of clubs, there's no questioning, but in terms o NT it is pretty even. Germany's victory in 1954 was a total robbery due to their infamous "vitamin C", so I'd say Italy.

A very nice joke. The biggest robbery of century was Italy's title in 1934. It was actually no World Cup tournament but a Mussolini one.

[German Ham]

The fact that anyone could even think to try to discredit Germany's 1954 win yet not even mention Italy's 1934 "win" just baffles the mind.

[J.C.80]

What about the 1990 world cup? The penalty against Czechoslovakia? The penalty and red cards against Argentina?

You germans always complain of italian "robberies"... look at yourself for once.

[Borussia]

This thread is gonna get ridiculous in the meanwhile ... but you really could see it comming.

[NickyViola]

The fact that anyone could even think to try to discredit Germany's 1954 win yet not even mention Italy's 1934 "win" just baffles the mind.

It even baffles the mind once one considers that the 1934 WC has already been mentioned in this thread several times?

[German Ham]

It even baffles the mind once one considers that the 1934 WC has already been mentioned in this thread several times?


I was referring to Todorov's post in particular.