June 15: Turkey vs Czech Republic [R]

[footyfan1]

Definitely, didn't dispute that. Lesser men wouldn't even play football again, let alone perform at the level he has. Just unfortunate for him that he's gonna get called on such a howler tonight, will put him under even more scrutiny than he has been in the past season.

I'm curious to see how he'll handle this. Will it tear him down even more or make him stronger??

[frasermc]

frasermc it is rainy, and players were under pressure. We all make mistakes. Mistake free games will end 0-0, won't they?

Congrats to both teams, and delayed)happy fathers day to all fathers.

absolutely.

but as you say, it was a mistake. i'm only taking issue with footyfan saying it was understandable.

Cech should have punched if he felt the conditions warranted it.

at the end of the day, it's a mistake that has more than likely knocked his country out of the tournament.

[footyfan1]

Or what? :p

Maybe you shouldn't take too much offence to what people say on an internet forum, and chill out a little bit. I'm not the only person you've snapped with.

And you won't be the last.

[Skizz]

I'm curious to see how he'll handle this. Will it tear him down even more or make him stronger??
Well that's another point. He did make the odd error here and there playing for Chelsea during last season (the sort of errors every keeper makes), but to make an error of this magnitude will either make or break him. I'd like to think the former considering what he's come back from before.

[TariboWest33]

This game was HILARIOUS :cool:

http://vinovo.magnify.net/watch/playlist/CG6LZF55LGZ3K58J
All goals from match

[footyfan1]

absolutely.

but as you say, it was a mistake. i'm only taking issue with footyfan saying it was understandable.

Cech should have punched if he felt the conditions warranted it.

at the end of the day, it's a mistake that has more than likely knocked his country out of the tournament.


That mistake allowed the tying goal. How about the poor defense on the first goal and the non-existent defense in midfield on the third??

No. It was Cech's mistake that cost them.

Right.

That was only part of it.

That was a total choke job on the part of the entire Czech team. Including Cech.

[frasermc]

What do you mean "moving the goalposts?"

You said how I could call Cech's error "understandable" is beyond you.

I asked you to show me a keeper who doesn't make mistakes.

I think I stayed right on the freakin' subject.

You didn't see fit to respond.

Keepers make mistakes. Sometimes at bad times, some years more than others.

As I said, how "experts" and fans rate Cech is not his freakin' fault.

Go hate on the ones you feel overrate him.

Perhaps it takes someone who played the position to understand.

Everyone else just loves talking shit. Again, you show me the perfect keeper.

why are you getting so angry?

when have i ever said i hate the guy?

i'm not even an EPL fan...

however, it's fair to say that Cech is their star man. he's made in my opinion, an unforgivable error because it has put his nation out of the tournament.

i'm sure he'll hold his hands up to it but it doesn't change the fact that it was a howler of huge proportions.

[frasermc]

That mistake allowed the tying goal. How about the poor defense on the first goal and the non-existent defense in midfield on the third??

No. It was Cech's mistake that cost them.

Right.

That was only part of it.

That was a total choke job on the part of the entire Czech team. Including Cech.

that mistake came with only a couple of minutes left and it was a routine cross into the box that he dropped at a strikers feet less than 6yds out and you want to talk about the poor defence on the first goal......

[Blackcode]

That was a total choke job on the part of the entire Czech team. Including Cech.

Totally agreed.

Czechs didn't know what to do once turks got the momentum..their right side was totally exposed.

Hats off to Turkey..they played with their hearts out.

[ASU55RR]

I realize our loss went beyond a goal-keeper error; we looked in poor conditioning every game, starting around 70 minute we couldn't get much beyond an occasional long shot at Koller; I also feel taking Plasil out was a mistake, he is one of our better effort players and good in possesion.

We thought we had it won, but immediately recognized very common problems for us resurface... We are used to a team storming out the gate and dissapointing, it's our M.O. nowadays

[footyfan1]

why are you getting so angry?

when have i ever said i hate the guy?

i'm not even an EPL fan...

however, it's fair to say that Cech is their star man. he's made in my opinion, an unforgivable error because it has put his nation out of the tournament.

i'm sure he'll hold his hands up to it but it doesn't change the fact that it was a howler of huge proportions.

Again, how did Cech's error "put his nation" out of the tournament?

The score was still 2-2.

Again, what about the non-existent defense on the first goal? Why aren't you saying the defense "put his nation" out of the tournament??


How about their non-existent midfield on the third goal??

No. You choose to blame it on Cech's mistake which only tied the match.

What sense does that make??

Yeah, Cech made a mistake. I think to call it "unforgivable" is going overboard.

I think he'll be welcomed back in Prague when they land. He'll be a man and accept HIS PART in THEIR COLLAPSE!!

HE didn't cost them progression all on his own. THEY ALL choked man! They all did.

[footyfan1]

that mistake came with only a couple of minutes left and it was a routine cross into the box that he dropped at a strikers feet less than 6yds out and you want to talk about the poor defence on the first goal......

They all counted. Again, the goal on Cech's error only tied the score. Every goal counted in the CZECH collapse.

It wasn't just a CECH collapse.

You say you have nothing against him. You sure as hell write like you do.

[frasermc]

Again, how did Cech's error "put his nation" out of the tournament?

The score was still 2-2.

if he doesn't make a bog standard error then they win the game.

Again, what about the non-existent defense on the first goal? Why aren't you saying the defense "put his nation" out of the tournament??

i wouldn't say there was any player who made a bog standard error defensively in that build up. marking could have been tighter but there certainly wasn't anyone throwing it away.


How about their non-existent midfield on the third goal??

to me Nihat still had a lot to do and to try and point out a blatant defensive error would be taking away from the exquisite finish by the striker.

No. You choose to blame it on Cech's mistake which only tied the match.

What sense does that make??

Yeah, Cech made a mistake. I think to call it "unforgivable" is going overboard.

because it was a huge howler and cost the Czech's the match. again, if he doesn't drop the ball from a routine catch right at Nihat's feet then they would have won the match 2-1, most likely.

I think he'll be welcomed back in Prague when they land. He'll be a man and accept HIS PART in THEIR COLLAPSE!!

HE didn't cost them progression all on his own. THEY ALL choked man! They all did.

once more, i'm not sure why you're getting so het up on an internet forum..:confused:

[glennaldo_sf]

They all counted but that error by Cech was schoolboy stuff!

[footyfan1]

They all counted but that error by Cech was schoolboy stuff!

It was a bad mistake, yes. However, it was second of three goals they conceded. That man did not lose that match for them on his own tonight.

[Aziz1970]

absolutely.

but as you say, it was a mistake. i'm only taking issue with footyfan saying it was understandable.

Cech should have punched if he felt the conditions warranted it.

at the end of the day, it's a mistake that has more than likely knocked his country out of the tournament.

Sure it is. He thought he can hold it but cannot. He made a mistake but this is understandable. No hard feelings, he sure was trying to do his best for the team. What would you think if he punched it and that ball was shooted goal? You probably would say he should have hold it.

Also remember our keeper pushed opponent and sent off. What would be if Czech's had time to score? The game will go to penalty kicks, and we wouldn't have a keeper.

Cech's mistake is understandable, Volkan's is not.

[ASU55RR]

They all counted. Again, the goal on Cech's error only tied the score. Every goal counted in the CZECH collapse.

It wasn't just a CECH collapse.

You say you have nothing against him. You sure as hell write like you do.

to be fair Cech means Czech in cestina.... Meanwhile Cesky can either be the adjective or substandtive of the western half of country. welcome to our wonderful language:D .

Granted plural for Czechs is Cesi although in the case "Turecko vyhrale proti Cesku", Turkey was victorious against Czech lands, would be most appropriate.

[footyfan1]

Sure it is. He thought he can hold it but cannot. He made a mistake but this is understandable. No hard feelings, he sure was trying to do his best for the team. What would you think if he punched it and that ball was shooted goal? You probably would say he should have hold it.

Also remember our keeper pushed opponent and sent off. What would be if Czech's had time to score? The game will go to penalty kicks, and we wouldn't have a keeper.

Cech's mistake is understandable, Volkan's is not.


Thank you and congratulations on a great comeback. The Czechs might have choked, but Turkey put them under the pressure that made them choke.

[frasermc]

Also remember our keeper pushed opponent and sent off. What would be if Czech's had time to score? The game will go to penalty kicks, and we wouldn't have a keeper.

Cech's mistake is understandable, Volkan's is not.

Volkan was stupid. simple as.

although the reaction from Koller was laughable. unfortunately that is the way football is played more often than not these days.

[frasermc]

after looking back i admit that 'unforgivable' was too strong a word.

however i stand by my belief that it was a basic error that was the turning point in the game. if it doesn't happen then the Czech's don't lose.

once again i'll just say i don't hate Peter Cech. i'm a Scottish supporting Glasgow Celtic fan. why i would have any reason to hate him is beyond me...