Dutch Favors?

[ToonUSA]

NONONONO please let's not say s**t.

The Sweden Denmark game was ridicoulous, and it was a conspiracy great like the empire state building and the colosseum together. People always blame us for calciopoli and for our corrupt, but what Sweden and Denmark did is the exapt kind of music that Moggi organized.

Look, this is a sweden newspaper of the day when sweden and denmark played
http://www.dynamick.it/mat/svedese.jpg

Look (if you read it) to the date... it was the 22 of june and they wrote 2-2... mmmmmmmmmh

Anyway if Holland and Romania will do the same thing I already know what I will say: "Other teams can kick us out of a tournament only in this way"

http://www.monkeysfly.net/kaistar/comedy/outrage.jpg

Italian fans are really embarassing themselves with this garbage.

[Pit-182]

But at least tell me what is the wrong thing I'm saying... was there no conspiracies in that game of 4 years ago?

[Tetsuo]

But at least tell me what is the wrong thing I'm saying... was there no conspiracies in that game of 4 years ago?

if you ask me i say there was a partial conspiracy. i mean the teams really played to win, but when the score reached 2-1, the swedes took it more easily. but as i said in another post: the dutch will play to win with us. the only thing that will make things easier for us is the fact that dutch players will try to avoid getting injured or booked. your ideas are typical for the latin mentality that both of our people have (italians and romanians). you call this "psicottate". we call this "blat". but i think the dutch have a mentality that doesn't allow them to do such a thing. besides their reserves have something to prove.

[Pit-182]

if you ask me i say there was a partial conspiracy. i mean the teams really played to win, but when the score reached 2-1, the swedes took it more easily. but as i said in another post: the dutch will play to win with us. the only thing that will make things easier for us is the fact that dutch players will try to avoid getting injured or booked. your ideas are typical for the latin mentality that both of our people have (italians and romanians). you call this "psicottate". we call this "blat". but i think the dutch have a mentality that doesn't allow them to do such a thing. besides their reserves have something to prove.
You're right, but with a football player it'all different. I know that maybe if I'd go to Holland (and sooner or later i really want :() I would meet local people proud of their traditions that are 10 times more honest that every ********ing italian... but a football player goes into several nation and is just like a superstar or whatever... and can be really dishonest.

Think about Sweden- Denmark 2-2... they aren't latin country but they weren't really honest with that game.

[Klask]

if you ask me i say there was a partial conspiracy. i mean the teams really played to win, but when the score reached 2-1, the swedes took it more easily.

It's so outrageous to take it more easy when you have a 2-1 lead. I can't believe UEFA didn't look into this case. btw. You must have meant Denmark since they had a 2-1 lead.



Think about Sweden- Denmark 2-2... they aren't latin country but they weren't really honest with that game.

Of course they weren't honest. If they were, they would have reached a result that would have made Italy advance from the group.

http://somecallmeduh.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/captainobvious.jpg

[Tetsuo]

You're right, but with a football player it'all different. I know that maybe if I'd go to Holland (and sooner or later i really want :() I would meet local people proud of their traditions that are 10 times more honest that every ********ing italian... but a football player goes into several nation and is just like a superstar or whatever... and can be really dishonest.

Think about Sweden- Denmark 2-2... they aren't latin country but they weren't really honest with that game.

yes they weren't honest but the situation was different. before the match none of the teams were qualified, and a draw would have sent them both to the quarters. i think the "arrangement" was tacit between players of both teams. it was an ugly thing to do i must agree...but my point is this time the dutch are qualified and the fact they will use some reserves and be less motivated is understandable, so a victory from Romania is entirely possible in these conditions without having the dutch throwing the game. the italians are beeing too suspicious...after the game we will see how things went.

[FNU]

Yea, you clearly didn't.
Of course not, especially the last sequence of the game where the ball was given up to the Swedes how many times? I highly doubt you watched the game, you were wondering how the US would fair against some vacation resort in order to qualify for the World Cup. :rolleyes:

[dragos03]

I don't think Holland will allow Romania to win. But I am sure that, if Romania wins fairly, Italians and French will accuse the Dutch of doing that anyway.

I see no reason why the Dutch would fear more to meet Italy or France later over Romania. After all, Hollad crushed both Italy and France, while they only got one point in two games versus Romania in the qualifiers (failing to score a single goal).

[FNU]

I don't think Holland will allow Romania to win. But I am sure that, if Romania wins fairly, Italians and French will accuse the Dutch of doing that anyway.

I see no reason why the Dutch would fear more to meet Italy or France later over Romania. After all, Hollad crushed both Italy and France, while they only got one point in two games versus Romania in the qualifiers (failing to score a single goal).
Holland played their best tactics and formation against both, don't you think both would be better prepared if they met again?

[Erwin6174]

France could have known what tactic the Dutch squad was going to employ, they've watched the game vs. Italy.

[dragos03]

Holland played their best tactics and formation against both, don't you think both would be better prepared if they met again?

Of course they would be better prepared. But still, from their point of view, a team against they failed to score in two games should be a tougher opponent than a team they beat 3-0 or 4-1.

In any case, I am sure it won't be any arrangement, although some Dutch players might be more cautious than usual in order to avoid bookings or injuries. If Romania wins, it will be a fair win (and not that surprising either, since Romania beat Holland in the qualifiers as well).

Anyway, as a Romanian fan, I am happy that our team is alive in the group of death, and that qualification is in our hands: if we beat Holland again, we'll go through. If we lose and go home, oh well, we did our best and put up a good fight in an impossible group.

[FNU]

I think if Holland take their foot off the pedal, they're going to pay for it one way or another.

[FNU]

France could have known what tactic the Dutch squad was going to employ, they've watched the game vs. Italy.
I think in the France game, it was more about Holland's defense and shutting down the few options France have on attack.

[Albirrojo]

Actually, this is logical, not for what YOU want: but obviously, for the Dutch, France and Italy either one, would really go after Netherlands to defeat them and have seen their stuff.

And I think, as the Croats beat Germany, sometimes, it is too much to ask a team to defeat another team, especially a known powerhouse 2 times in the same tournament, even if they looked as dominant as Holland has. It has happened but not something to bank on.

On the question of Netherlands resting some of the first team and if it was fair, Tommy S. said Holland is there to win the Championship probably above all other things.

I have a bit of a nauseating feeling for what might transpire.

Still, a team rests and sometimes they can go cold and lose their groove.

But after alll, it is to see who will meet Spain, the Dutch might be thinking, they'd rather meet Italy or France than Spain, but I doubt it.

And Holland may be criticized for whatever they do: but I think because of the way the first game was, Holland are probably more fearful of Italy than of the other two.

Beat romania, but only by 2 goals, I don't want Italy or France coming back with a vengeance in the finals or something.

[VCFan]

Actually, this is logical, not for what YOU want: but obviously, for the Dutch, France and Italy either one, would really go after Netherlands to defeat them and have seen their stuff.

And I think, as the Croats beat Germany, sometimes, it is too much to ask a team to defeat another team, especially a known powerhouse 2 times in the same tournament, even if they looked as dominant as Holland has. It has happened but not something to bank on.

On the question of Netherlands resting some of the first team and if it was fair, Tommy S. said Holland is there to win the Championship probably above all other things.

I have a bit of a nauseating feeling for what might transpire.

Still, a team rests and sometimes they can go cold and lose their groove.

But after alll, it is to see who will meet Spain, the Dutch might be thinking, they'd rather meet Italy or France than Spain, but I doubt it.

And Holland may be criticized for whatever they do: but I think because of the way the first game was, Holland are probably more fearful of Italy than of the other two.

I've heard this mentioned several times before, but is this only because of Italy's reputation in the knockout rounds? Personally, I don't think that any team should be "fearing" Italy right about now.

[arthur d]

Of course not, especially the last sequence of the game where the ball was given up to the Swedes how many times? I highly doubt you watched the game, you were wondering how the US would fair against some vacation resort in order to qualify for the World Cup. :rolleyes:

Hmm. I watched the game as well, and although I was hoping Italy would qualify I saw two Scandinavian rivals fighting it out in this match (in fact, I have quite a few Swedish friends and none of them wanted Denmark to go through). All this conspiracy theory stuff is a bit pathetic, and makes the theorists look like bad losers tbh.

[Fan123]

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=737460

:eek: :eek: Wow! Lookie here! I can't believe this guy have the nerve to "threaten" MVB. Now I REALLY REALLY hope that Holland lose to Romania by at least 3-4 goals. The Italians are just ridiculous. Donadoni has just came out and "suck up" to Holland, and now this man came out to "threaten" them. At least France had the dignity not to do this kind of crap. I also hope that France kills Italy, since all Italians seem so confident that they will win (as they did against Holland AND Romania. but we all know what the result was.)

[FNU]

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=737460

:eek: :eek: Wow! Lookie here! I can't believe this guy have the nerve to "threaten" MVB. Now I REALLY REALLY hope that Holland lose to Romania by at least 3-4 goals. The Italians are just ridiculous. Donadoni has just came out and "suck up" to Holland, and now this man came out to "threaten" them. At least France had the dignity not to do this kind of crap. I also hope that France kills Italy, since all Italians seem so confident that they will win (as they did against Holland AND Romania. but we all know what the result was.)
I don't see anything that Maldini said as threatening or wrong. Who the hell would hire a coach that loses on purpose? Don't be such a muppet.

[Amsteldam]

Who the hell would hire a coach that loses on purpose?
A smart one perhaps??? :p

I cant see Maldinin saying this, dont believe everything goal.com writes

[FNU]

A smart one perhaps??? :p

I cant see Maldinin saying this, dont believe everything goal.com writes
I can't find it in any Italian sites, so you're prob. right. What is quoted makes perfect sense either way.