What will happen if Netherlands beat Romania 3-0 and Italy and France tie?

[MNAFETSC]

I don't see the dutch just showing up and allowing the Romanians to walk away with it.... I always would love to see a real battle between France and Italy and France come out the winner but thats me!

Netherlands and France

But the thing is it benefits the Dutch a lot more to see Romania advance than it does to see France or Italy. Which of those three teams would you rather play twice?

[Rainer24]

But the thing is it benefits the Dutch a lot more to see Romania advance than it does to see France or Italy. Which of those three teams would you rather play twice?



Didn't the Romanians win 4 pts off the Dutch in qualifying? At this point, they seem like the scarier opponents. The French have looked terrible all tournament.

[Excape Goat]

Romania owned Holland during the qualifying round. The revenge factor must play into the minds of MVB. Furthermore, if Holland loses, it will be bad psycohologically for the team to do so poorly against the same team three straight times. Holland will try to beat Romania for psycohological factor. They can meet in the semi-final again. I see Holland beating Romania by 1 or 2 goals, but no more. Van Basten needs to slow down his team..... the Final is not even halfway.

[1shot1kill]

Don't forget Romania is also missing 2 starting players now, 1 is suspended and the other was involved in the mid air crash with a teammate and is out for the tournament since he needs surgery. (no idea who it was sorry)

So while Holland will not put up their best squad, there is still hope for the French and Italians since Romania will have to make at least 2 chances to their team too.

[KaNgArOoS]

Don't forget Romania is also missing 2 starting players now, 1 is suspended and the other was involved in the mid air crash with a teammate and is out for the tournament since he needs surgery. (no idea who it was sorry)Radoi.

So while Holland will not put up their best squad, there is still hope for the French and Italians since Romania will have to make at least 2 chances to their team too.[/quote]Which means Chivu falls back and low and behold, Piturca goes for another nil-nil.:rolleyes:

[Khaloisha]

I'm sitting here and wondering why (other than being good sports) Holland should NOT roll over and let the Romanians perhaps beat them!

If I were Van Basten, I would rest my team against Romania and tell them that they are not to shoot on goal under any circumstance. Telling them to 'lose' might be too much, but UEFA only has themselves to blame for what would be a brilliant piece of gamesmanship. Because the tournament does not allow teams on each half of the brackets to meet until the final (why???), Holland could not be criticized from trying to keep Italy and France out of their way so soon again, in a semifinal.

Right, like in 2004 when Sweden and Denmark had gone for a 2-2 that put us out. What a great gamesmanship show! Let's do that again! And then call us bastard diving cheats, like always.

[glennaldo_sf]

Right, like in 2004 when Sweden and Denmark had gone for a 2-2 that put us out. What a great gamesmanship show! Let's do that again! And then call us bastard diving cheats, like always.

I don't see Holland rolling over and handing victory to Romania; however, if the Romanians do score late in the game... I doubt the Dutch will throw everything at them to get back into the match.

[MNAFETSC]

Romania owned Holland during the qualifying round.

1-0, 0-0 arent exactly score lines that shout out owning someone....

[Dutch Treat]

Romania owned Holland during the qualifying round. The revenge factor must play into the minds of MVB. Furthermore, if Holland loses, it will be bad psycohologically for the team to do so poorly against the same team three straight times. Holland will try to beat Romania for psycohological factor. They can meet in the semi-final again. I see Holland beating Romania by 1 or 2 goals, but no more. Van Basten needs to slow down his team..... the Final is not even halfway.

Credit to the Romanian team for getting a win and a draw against us during qualifiers, but this says nothing at the moment. Oranje during the qualifiers was a totally different one we see now, can't compare the two in ANY way. The Romanians know that too.

[drahnier]

Right, like in 2004 when Sweden and Denmark had gone for a 2-2 that put us out. What a great gamesmanship show! Let's do that again! And then call us bastard diving cheats, like always.
Haha, poor Italy.

Remember that the referee in the Romania match was Scandinavian as well, we're still conspiring against you up here, but now we've brought the Norwegians into it too.

[Lusankya]

But the thing is it benefits the Dutch a lot more to see Romania advance than it does to see France or Italy. Which of those three teams would you rather play twice?
You forgot Spain. Or do you think Italy or France in current form will beat Spain in the quarters?

[Lusankya]

If Italy and France get a no-score draw in their match. Then Italy and Romania each will have scored 1 goal in the matches between the 3 teams and France will have scored 0 goals. So it would come down to Italy and Romania.

In such a scenario penalty kicks cannot be used as Romania and Italy will not be playing against each other. Then it goes to qualifying coefficient and Italy have a better one than Romania. Italy would qualify.
That's not the reason!
You never use a penalty shoot-out if there are more than two teams tied on points. So even if italy played romania there won't be a shoot-out, when france had the same points.

I like the penalty shoot-out but i hate h2h as a tie-breaker, it ruins the game.

[revelationx]

That's not the reason!
You never use a penalty shoot-out if there are more than two teams tied on points. So even if italy played romania there won't be a shoot-out, when france had the same points.

I like the penalty shoot-out but i hate h2h as a tie-breaker, it ruins the game.

No the scenario was that it had been narrowed down to two teams, Italy and Romania, as they had both scored more goals than France in the matches between the 3 teams. This criteria would rule out France from the tie-breaker. It is not be possible for the remaining 2 teams to have a penalty shootout as they would not at the same stadium. So it would instead go straight to qualifying co-efficients and as such Italy would qualify above Romania. France would be bottom of the group.

[Lusankya]

7.08
[...]provided no other teams within the group have the same number of points on completion of all group matches. Should more than two teams have the same number of points, the criteria listed under paragraph 7.07 a) to h) will apply.

Sounds to me that after France will be ruled out at point c) they would just go down all the way to f), even if Italy and Romania would have played each other.

[JanBalk]

You forgot Spain. Or do you think Italy or France in current form will beat Spain in the quarters?
Yes, regardless of form I would say any decent team have a fair chanse of beating Spain in quarters or semis.

According to history Spain tends to do one lousy match in the playoff that ends their run, and history have a way of repating itself in soccer.

[Tetsuo]

too much talk about this very unlikely scenario. i don't think Italy-France could end in a draw. and i don't think Romania will lose at a 3 goal difference. i think it's simple: if Romania wins then it will have 2nd place. if Romania doesn't win then France or Italy will go through.