Bradley on Adu: The Latest (Part II)

[Crimson Ace]

Continue discussion here.

Previous Thread:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=704372

[tab5g]

chad, i'd certainly enjoy reading your "wide view" of the things being discussed in the Part I thread.

[gmonn]

Bob's comments and Bob's defenders seem to try to judge Freddy without comparing him to a specific player who is supposedly doing a better job.

Who are these players who are doing a better job than Freddy?

[tab5g]

I just can't believe the resistance some people have to Freddy. It's not some philosophical question about how "mature" and "ready" he is, or his "accomplishments" or what he's "earned." It's who brings more to the team, Freddy or player X who is on the field ahead of him? No brainer.


I really do think it is that simple. although, your projected idea of "the resistance some people have to Freddy" seems a bit large in scope.

it is a "no brainer". Once the NT coach realizes (in his opinion) that Adu "brings more to the team," relative to "player X who is on the field ahead of him", then Adu will obviously get more minutes.

many feel that time is now.

Bradley felt like using Adu for about 96 of the 270 minutes available in the last 3 friendlies.

many fans obviously wanted to see more minutes for that player. I suspect that player likely will be getting more minutes in the future.

and I also suspect that some fans will continue to harp about the "missed opportunities" to play Adu earlier and more often.

[chad]

chad, i'd certainly enjoy reading your "wide view" of the things being discussed in the Part I thread.No one is stopping you. It's in the last thread - no doubt hidden to you by your contortionist apologetics.

[tab5g]

Bob's comments and Bob's defenders seem to try to judge Freddy without comparing him to a specific player who is supposedly doing a better job.

Who are these players who are doing a better job than Freddy?

i think Bob's comments never try to break it down as player v player, but rather try to present things in light of creating and building a team.

i do suspect Adu will be a very solid part of that team. he clearly already is a "part" of the team, and I suppose it is rather obvious that many fans want Adu to be a very solid part, or the most solid part, or the focal point, or the guy with the keys to the team, or whatever.

but I certainly don't see it as Freddy must overcome player X to get more minutes.

[tab5g]

No one is stopping you. It's in the last thread - no doubt hidden to you by your contortionist apologetics.

this lazy man would certainly approve of your assistance in directing a reader to the appropriate post number(s) with or links to your wisest words.

edit:
look, i found one post, and I already commented on them as "excellent points."

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14865343&postcount=462

are there others i should go back and read again?

[russ]

It's clear Adu is being held to a higher standard than Josh Wolff,Mike Bradley,Gooch or several other players.

Obviously,the player comparable to Freddy in terms of spot on the field is Donovan.

Donovan's absence should have essentiallly mandated Adu's presence.

Instead?Josh Freakin' Wolff.

[Reccossu]

When BB tries to articulate what it is that Freddy needs to do, it sounds either like (i) Bob has a grudge against Adu because others with similar or worse faults are "earning" time, or (ii) Bob cannot adjust his tactics to take advantage of Adu's clear strengths.

I don't like either one. I hope that the next time BB answers questions about Adu he will make me discount both possibilities -- but I am not holding my breath.

[tab5g]

It's clear Adu is being held to a higher standard than Josh Wolff,Mike Bradley,Gooch or several other players.

Obviously,the player comparable to Freddy in terms of spot on the field is Donovan.

Donovan's absence should have essentiallly mandated Adu's presence.

Instead?Josh Freakin' Wolff.

yes, looking back at the 3 friendlies, it was Josh Wolff. that seems to have been a mistake. but obviously one from which Bob Bradley has seemed to learn something.

looking ahead (and at the roster for the WCQs v Barbados) it is Freddy Adu listed there among others, with no listing for Josh Wolff.

[dwsmith1972]

First Page!!!

doh...second page....

seriously, all we need is to somehow work Rossi and maybe Subotic in here and this baby can keep going.....

[gmonn]

but I certainly don't see it as Freddy must overcome player X to get more minutes.

But that's the way it always is. Who gives the most to the team in that position? It's a direct competition between players. The starter won. The runner-up is on the bench. Further down the line, players got cut from the team or didn't get invited for try-outs. What players are beating out Freddy (in Bob's eyes)? Let's look at them and compare their contribution to Freddy's.

http://www.theburiedlead.com/wp-content/images/adu-hatter.jpg

[giffenbone]

First page.

Let me just say I was shocked part I of the thread stayed on topic for pretty much the whole thing...and it went through 600 posts in 3 days.

Adu is a hot topic.

[sidefootsitter]

i think Bob's comments never try to break it down as player v player, but rather try to present things in light of creating and building a team. Right.

But he doesn't know how to build anything outside of the Empty Bucket and dump&chase.

And Freddy is too much of a footballer for Bob to adjust his schemes to.

but I certainly don't see it as Freddy must overcome Coach X to get more minutes Fixed.

When BB tries to articulate what it is that Freddy needs to do, it sounds either like (i) Bob has a grudge against Adu because others with similar or worse faults are "earning" time, or (ii) Bob cannot adjust his tactics to take advantage of Adu's clear strengths. It's (ii) with a little (i) for good measure.

Though, the grudge is probably Nowak's.

I mean, it's not like Peter and Bob didn't talk to each other in the previous years.

If Peter hates Freddy, then Bob must feel the same way.

First page.

Let me just say I was shocked part I of the thread stayed on topic for pretty much the whole thing...and it went through 600 posts in 3 days.

Bobayoda is a hot topic. Fixed again.

[tab5g]

But he doesn't know how to build anything outside of the Empty Bucket and dump&chase.

And Freddy is too much of a footballer for Bob to adjust his schemes to.


you may very well be right.

but, imo, it is still early days and a lot (or less likely, very little) could happen for the US team in the 24 months ahead, and for guys like Adu and B.Bradley.

personally, I don't think Bradley has had "enough time" at this point to figure out how to work with his "best players" and he still may very well put together a team that is made up of "just the right amount" of footballers.

while, of course, I can still see that many will continue to argue that the coach is out of his depth and constantly "holding" players back.

[tab5g]

If Peter hates Freddy, then Bob must feel the same way.


who do you think is going to prom with whom?

i find it strange when some (or any) of the discussion (of these people doing their jobs that they are paid to do) turns to how these people "feel" personally about someone.

seriously, do you have any insight as to how these people really "feel" about each other, and if there is really any "hate" or "like" or even "love" there?

i can see the argument that "emotion" and "history" will affect how these coaches and players may do their jobs, but it seems like a real reach to some fairly wild and unimportant speculation when you write something like: "If Peter hates Freddy, then Bob must feel the same way."

[Adam Zebrowski]

bradley ain't the dunce sfs proclaims..

right now, either donovan, beasley or dempsey sits to have adu start...

i'm happy to have freddy be super sub, and i see him bringing it well off the bench..

kid just turned 19, let his game mature as the sub, then becoming full time starter..

right now, bradley is outcoaching the likes of hiddink and renhagel IF we use the sfs metric to evaluate...

but the real politik of give me the bleeping results in matches which count...bradley is a raving success..

those who use test matches to make judgements aren't the brightest bulbs out there

[tab5g]

But that's the way it always is.

no, not really. (you think that's "the way it always is" in your head, but I suggest that might not be so, in reality.)

i gave the example of Fabregas not starting in Spain's first game at the Euros.

Coaches make "interesting" decisions all the time. and at times that means leaving a very talented (perhaps and arguably even your most talented) player out of the starting line-up every once in a while.

[tab5g]

bradley ain't the dunce sfs proclaims..

right now, either donovan, beasley or dempsey sits to have adu start...

i'm happy to have freddy be super sub, and i see him bringing it well off the bench..

kid just turned 19, let his game mature as the sub, then becoming full time starter..

right now, bradley is outcoaching the likes of hiddink and renhagel IF we use the sfs metric to evaluate...

but the real politik of give me the bleeping results in matches which count...bradley is a raving success..

those who use test matches to make judgements aren't the brightest bulbs out there

preach it!!!

[gmonn]

no, not really. (you think that's "the way it always is" in your head, but I suggest that might not be so, in reality.)

i gave the example of Fabregas not starting in Spain's first game at the Euros.

Coaches make "interesting" decisions all the time. and at times that means leaving a very talented (perhaps and arguably even your most talented) player out of the starting line-up every once in a while.

Yeah, I'm not so impressed with your Fabregas example. Like I said, I think Spain has enough talent to never start him. I don't know if you're EPL-centric or what. Let me know when Messi, Kaka, or CRonaldo are benched for tactical reasons.

Anyway, we're not talking about changing your tactics. Bob doesn't do that anyway. If we were talking about changing your tactics, you'd still have to fit that tactic better than the person you're keeping out.