View Full Version : Too many Brazilians playing in Euro 2008?
imarker
11 Jun 2008, 12:45 AM
Naturalized Brazilian Players: Euro 2008
Brazilian invaders...
What team doesn’t have a Brazilian born player in its ranks in this Euro 2008 tournament? Well, on the other hand, who wouldn’t want one. But is the ability to gain citizenship a bit too easy? A bit too: 'try to win at all costs' and defeats the purpose of pulling a team together made up of your own countrymen.
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/naturalized_brazilian_players_euros.asp
Rainer24
11 Jun 2008, 01:19 AM
I don't think Kuranyi really belongs in the same list as some of the other players. He has been in Germany since he was 15 and also has familial ties to the country.
Alex_K
11 Jun 2008, 01:37 AM
Kuranyi isn't a naturalized player. I think the entire outrage over naturalization is stupid, but we had this discussion a million times already. But Kuranyi's father is German (just looking at freaking Wikipedia would have helped here), whuch makes him a German citizen by birth, so everyone who includes him in such a list was either a) too lazy to do a minimum of research or b) is lying to make a point.
Soccerfever
11 Jun 2008, 02:10 AM
Couldn't agree more with the article!Spot on!
AFCA
11 Jun 2008, 03:26 AM
Yes, it's a sad thing to do (naturalizing a player)
frankwhite
11 Jun 2008, 11:25 AM
Kuranyi isn't a naturalized player. I think the entire outrage over naturalization is stupid, but we had this discussion a million times already. But Kuranyi's father is German (just looking at freaking Wikipedia would have helped here), whuch makes him a German citizen by birth, so everyone who includes him in such a list was either a) too lazy to do a minimum of research or b) is lying to make a point.
This is wrong. His father was a Hungarian, who lived in Germany before moving to Brazil. He cant even speak proper German. His started playing football in Brazil, before being transfered to Stuttgart.
benztown
11 Jun 2008, 11:45 AM
This is wrong. His father was a Hungarian, who lived in Germany before moving to Brazil. He cant even speak proper German. His started playing football in Brazil, before being transfered to Stuttgart.
His father was German, period. He was of Hungarian descent, but seriously, how many generations do you want to go back until the blood in someone's veins is finally pure enough? Kuranyi had the German citizenship from birth. What else do you want?
Or do you want to start a philosophical argument about what determines your nationality? Is it the blood in your veins, the passport of your parents, the place you were born, the place you grew up in, the place where you lived for the majority of your life, the feeling in your gut,...?
To be clear, I think that naturalizing a player just for the sake of the NT is wrong IMHO. But this is not a black and white issue. There are many shades of gray.
meininki
11 Jun 2008, 11:48 AM
This is wrong. His father was a Hungarian, who lived in Germany before moving to Brazil. He cant even speak proper German. His started playing football in Brazil, before being transfered to Stuttgart.
Kuranyi's father comes from a German-Hungarian family, but only has German nationality (that's according to Kuranyi's website). This is why Kuranyi has always had a German passport.
His mother is Panamanian and the family lived in Panama for some years, when Kuranyi was a teen.
He was not transferred to Stuttgart. He moved there (from Panama, not Brazil) when he was 15 and started playing for one of VfB's youth teams.
Kuranyi's German is fine. He has a slight accent, but that's all.
Alex_K
11 Jun 2008, 11:49 AM
This is wrong. His father was a Hungarian, who lived in Germany before moving to Brazil. He cant even speak proper German. His started playing football in Brazil, before being transfered to Stuttgart.
His father was the son of Hungarian immigrants, grew up in Germany and was or is (no idea if he's still alive) a German citizen (see the biography on http://www.kevin-kuranyi.de/ for example, in German and English). His father then emigrated to Brazil. His family moved back to Germany when he was 15. He speaks "proper" German with a Swabian accent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y47HSCN14Y
Edit: pah, benztown somewhat beat me to it ;)
imarker
12 Jun 2008, 05:16 PM
I guess it paid off for Poland as Roger Guerreiro got the goal in the first half.
GrosMoulin
12 Jun 2008, 05:25 PM
Euro 2008
Guerreiro Roger (Poland)
Deco (Portugal)
Pepe (Portugal)
Kevin Kuranyi (Germany)
Marcos Senna (Spain)
That's not so much players. 4 nations have one (2 for Portugal) naturalized player. Is this supposed to be an invasion ? And when did it happen that a person who learn the culture and language of a country, a naturalized person isn't of this country ? :)
Your article is totally pointless.
Chess_Panther
12 Jun 2008, 05:37 PM
ridiculous to say the least...apparently some people want different rules regarding football...but citizenship is citizenship and it makes no descrimination, otherwise the whole concept is pointless.
the background of Pepe and Deco is that they came here at a young age...I'm ok with them.
and what's up in only emphasizing Brazil more than other nationalities?
GrosMoulin
12 Jun 2008, 05:41 PM
I think Brazil would like to play in Euro. Next time we'll set a competition including Brazil and Argentina and call it Super-Euro so everyone could be happy :D
GoodDead
12 Jun 2008, 07:46 PM
Couldn't agree more with the article!Spot on!
If Johnathan DeGuzman suits up for Netherlands you'll be eating your words
meininki
12 Jun 2008, 08:10 PM
Euro 2008
Guerreiro Roger (Poland)
Deco (Portugal)
Pepe (Portugal)
Kevin Kuranyi (Germany)
Marcos Senna (Spain)
That's not so much players. 4 nations have one (2 for Portugal) naturalized player. Is this supposed to be an invasion ?
Kuranyi isn't a naturalized citizen. He's had German citizenship since birth.
And when did it happen that a person who learn the culture and language of a country, a naturalized person isn't of this country ? :)
I agree in general, but then there's cases like that of Guerreiro... He's only been living in Poland for two years and, afaik, he doesn't speak Polish.
I'm just not a fan of naturalizing people just because they're good footballers, even if they don't actually have a real connection to the country.
Soccerfever
13 Jun 2008, 01:32 AM
If Johnathan DeGuzman suits up for Netherlands you'll be eating your words
Well he has!And I already got over it! :D
Rainer24
13 Jun 2008, 01:51 AM
I guess it paid off for Poland as Roger Guerreiro got the goal in the first half.
The real question is when the linesman's Polish passport is/was issued.
Rig1964
13 Jun 2008, 08:18 AM
I think Brazil would like to play in Euro. Next time we'll set a competition including Brazil and Argentina and call it Super-Euro so everyone could be happy :D
Are you saying the world cup should be re named Super-Euro? :rolleyes:
sinner78
13 Jun 2008, 09:23 AM
The only team that really benefits from the brazilians is portugal.
The other brazilian players are bit part performers. Where as portugals key performers are imported.
glennaldo_sf
13 Jun 2008, 10:33 AM
I don't really mind as long as we can include some Brazilian girls in the Euro2008 girls thread to compensate.
:D