ESP-RUS offside decision [R]

[Tarheel Ref]

I say ESP #10 (the eventual goal-scorer) is in offside position when the shot from ESP #7 was taken on goal then parried by the GK...this from the one replay they just showed....

What say y'all???

[code1390]

AR missed it. I thought he was off by about a yard. Didn't think it was that close. But in the end it didn't decide the game.

[Tarheel Ref]

Yeah...when I blow a call (and I'm perfectly happy to admit that I have in the past and probably will again sometime in the future) the only anchor I can hold onto is what you said...that it doesn't affect the outcome....

[PVancouver]

Where is the [R] :rolleyes: ?

[Spartak]

Every goal is important. If Russia miss out on qualifying for the quarters by 1 goal you will see that the goal did affect the outcome.

[code1390]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/RL3AO/ceceoffside.jpg

[Tarheel Ref]

Every goal is important. If Russia miss out on qualifying for the quarters by 1 goal you will see that the goal did affect the outcome.

I can't argue with that...you are correct....my comment about a mistake not affecting the outcome was more generalized towards regular league matches but it is true that goal differential carries huge importance in tournaments.

Sorry Pvan about not posting the replay but my skills are still limited...plus it just happened like 5 minutes ago!!!

[DadOf6]

I say ESP #10 (the eventual goal-scorer) is in offside position when the shot from ESP #7 was taken on goal then parried by the GK...this from the one replay they just showed....

What say y'all???

Was it parried or deflected? If it was parried then the ball was last played by the 'keeper so no offside.

Just in case: in a parry the goalkeeper does not establish possession but he bats the ball to an area where he can run it down and then establish control or he bats it to a place where a teammate can play it. It is considered a controlled play on the ball.

[code1390]

Was it parried or deflected? If it was parried then the ball was last played by the 'keeper so no offside.

Just in case: in a parry the goalkeeper does not establish possession but he bats the ball to an area where he can run it down and then establish control or he bats it to a place where a teammate can play it. It is considered a controlled play on the ball.

Heres the video. Its offside IMO.

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2041677

[DadOf6]

Heres the video. Its offside IMO.

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2041677

Agree, it was a deflection, not a controlled play by the 'keeper.

[PVancouver]

Sorry Pvan about not posting the replay but my skills are still limited...plus it just happened like 5 minutes ago!!!

I was referring to an R in the title, as the post includes information about the result of the match. Although not any more information that the title does. I don't know what the score of the match was, but I suspect Spain won.

[Tarheel Ref]

Was it parried or deflected? If it was parried then the ball was last played by the 'keeper so no offside.

Just in case: in a parry the goalkeeper does not establish possession but he bats the ball to an area where he can run it down and then establish control or he bats it to a place where a teammate can play it. It is considered a controlled play on the ball.

Parried, deflected, doesn't matter...the "snapshot" where the decision of whether an attacker is in offside position occurs AT THE MOMENT THE BALL IS PLAYED by the attacker taking the shot.

#10 was clearly past the 2LD. Had the GK controlled in any way then released the ball it would have reset the offside situation but that did not happen.

And...Pvancouver...thanks for the tip...I thought the R referred to "replay" not "result" but...like Intech...I'm always learning.

[DadOf6]

Parried, deflected, doesn't matter...the "snapshot" where the decision of whether an attacker is in offside position occurs AT THE MOMENT THE BALL IS PLAYED by the attacker taking the shot.

#10 was clearly past the 2LD. Had the GK caught then released the ball it would have reset the offside situation but that did not happen.

And...Pvancouver...thanks for the tip...I thought the R referred to "replay" not "result" but...like Intech...I'm always learning.

It makes a big difference because a parry is a play by the 'keeper and a player is not called for offside is an opponent last played the ball.

Deflection -> offside
Parry -> not offside

[GOOOOAL!!]

From TLOTG:

"Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a
ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been
in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an
opponent having been in an offside position."

This is exactly what happened in 91st minute. The AR missed it, probably because he ended up a little behind the 2nd to last defender on the counter. Most mistakes come from a poor position and thus he wasn't square to the defender. A lack of concentration at the end of a game that has already been decided can put an AR a step or two out of position or cause them to get a late start on a counter attack.

Let's hope that it doesn't make a difference in the outcome of the group.

[Dom. FC]

Where is the [R] :rolleyes: ?

Yes no sh!te, I came to this forum to read more about the second defender, dead or alive, discussion from yesterday and now know way more than I wanted to about a match less than 24 hours old. Also as is mentioned later than the post I quoted an [R] doesn't really work if the thread title is (for example) "England 2 USA 0 [R]". It is a simple sequence really, think --> then --> post, doubly important for thread starters. Thanks. ;>)

[Tarheel Ref]

Yes no sh!te, I came to this forum to read more about the second defender, dead or alive, discussion from yesterday and now know way more than I wanted to about a match less than 24 hours old. Also as is mentioned later than the post I quoted an [R] doesn't really work if the thread title is (for example) "England 2 USA 0 [R]". It is a simple sequence really, think --> then --> post, doubly important for thread starters. Thanks. ;>)

Holy f'n sh!te!!! You wanted to know about the Italy game yesterday so you jumped into a thread that is clearly about the Spain/Russia match and specifically the 4th goal Spain scored and you're bitching about a technicality that there's a single letter and two brackets missing??????

Then you come through with your little think then post BS after I've already apologized and pointed out that I'm still learning????

Maybe mbar was a little more on frame with his jack@ss comment yesterday than I originally gave him credit for....not that I care a whit about the Rapids....

My advice to you in the future is that...if you're looking for info about a second-to-last defender, dead or alive, and how that might affect the offside decision, from a match where you know the teams that played, you look for a thread starting with, oh, I don't know, the word "offside" in it or maybe the names of the teams that played!!!!!!!!!!

My apologies for wasting the 30 seconds it took you to figure out you were in the wrong place...not that I mean it.

[MassachusettsRef]

Tarheel,

Just for the record, you're going to lose this argument. The site is very strict about not revealing the results of matches in threads or thread titles. If you're discussing a result, you're supposed to put that [R] thing up there. Your thread title would be seen by people, like Dom FC, who are on Bigsoccer but were planning to watch the Spain/Russia game later--he didn't have to click on this thread to figure out what had happened in the match. A thread title like "Spain v. Russia [R]" or "Spain v. Russia offside decision [R]" would be deemed more appropriate.

Now I, probably like you, think that people shouldn't be on Bigsoccer in the first place if they want to avoid learning about matches that they've taped or TiVo'ed. But that's not the rules that have been put in place here.

You weren't aware, so I'm sure you won't be getting in any trouble. But I would suspect a moderator will be editing the title as soon as they notice.

[Nesto]

It makes a big difference because a parry is a play by the 'keeper and a player is not called for offside is an opponent last played the ball.

Deflection -> offside
Parry -> not offside

Dad, I agree, this is a perfect example of a GK deflection. I'd love to see a good example of a GK parry that does reset offside - anyone have one?

[Tarheel Ref]

MassRef....

Thank you for the info...I do appreciate it and was in the process of asking a mod to correct it. I'm happy to admit that I'm wrong if I clearly am...which it is and I do apologize to anyone other than Dom who I might have screwed up with my poorly titled thread.

Like on the pitch, I try to only make a mistake once then learn from it...which I have and it won't happen again.

And, for the record, I tried to edit the thread title ASAP once I learned I had screwed the pooch but couldn't do it....

[Dom. FC]

Hey mod or whoever, if you're going to edit things as "rants" take a look at #16 here if you want to be fair. Seems you should treat people w/o reading comprehension skill the same as those that have them.