Italia vs. Romania 6/13/08 [R]

[x2thez]

that was a 100% penalty dear italian primadonnnas.....

http://images.alice.it/sg/sportuni/upload/000/0003/000_dv337348.jpg

[FNU]

Italy blablabla my country's NT is insignificant and will never win anything blablabla!
LOL Show me all the "dives" you're talking about. Of course players never fall from fatigue or getting tripped up, it's always a dive right? :rolleyes: Spazzo.

Go watch the US play Barbados and qualify for the WC every year in the cheapest of fashions. Insignificant garbage NT.

[FNU]

i say it was a missed penalty because it was poorly taken by mutu at semiheight and on the center. and that was a clear penalty don't deny it.
It was a favorable call in the end of the game, if you're going to let an on side goal slide, then a little grabbing in the box should too.

[canzano55]

Fair result. Particularly when you take into account the fact that the Italians deliberately tried to rig the game via cheating in the closing 15 minutes. Most teams occasionally dive, some teams do it more often then others (Portugal, Italy, Argentina come to mind, Germany in the past), but the Italians performance late was as I mentioned earlier, extraordinarly cynical, cheap, and obviously based on the premise that "fairness" is for squares and that scoreboard is all that matters regardless of how you attain the result. If that's how they approached the game (and it was), then any claims of unfairness are the height of hypocrisy and any sympathies they should have gotten for having a legit goal disallowed are null and void (since they were obviously 100% dedicated to earning an absolutely fraudulent penalty and resulting goal to get the points they needed by cheating).Good God, you've gone officially off the reservation.

[FNU]

The spazzo is on ESPN propaganda overdrive. lol

[ToonUSA]

Wasnt it you that predicted a France victory yesterday???
If not, then kindly ignore my post

Uh, I had a 2-1 win for Holland. :D

[ToonUSA]

The difference is that we should have been 1 - 0 at halftime and Mutu was invisible for the second half of the game. So Italy winning was the far more likely outcome, as your own post indicates.
Don't forget the post saved you guys from going down 1-0 before the Toni goal was disallowed.

[ToonUSA]

It was a favorable call in the end of the game, if you're going to let an on side goal slide, then a little grabbing in the box should too.

This is not "a little grabbing"

http://images.alice.it/sg/sportuni/upload/000/0003/000_dv337348.jpg

[graywolfe81]

Good God, you've gone officially off the reservation.

Rewatch the last 15 minutes of the game, particularly any sequence in which Italian players make it into the box, watch what happens, read the last of the pages of this thread when the game was actually going on to see the disgust of fellow posters.

It's a very simple premise. You lose your ability to state that you were cheated, or treated unfairly, when you, yourself, flout the rules, and cheat, to gain advantage and the result you desire. Period. Off the reservation? Only to people who are willing to argue about not being treated with fairness, while at the same time, completely ignoring their sides deliberate attempt to cheat their way to a victory w/dives. If you can't see the hypocrisy here, I can't help you.

And for the record, I'd rather have my mediocre national team lose, than win by diving, and it's why I've been more than frustrated at times w/the actions of Donovan and Beasley over the years. As an off topic example I'll say that
the shining light of dignity can be seen in the actions of that Northwestern US College softball team that carried an opponent (who'd just torn up her knee and couldn't walk and per the umps instructions, couldn't be helped by teammates, after rounding first) from first base to home after she'd hit a home run but couldn't perform the task herself. They ended up losing the game by a run after helping said player, and were bounced out of the playoffs, but their character, dignity, and charity were an example for everyone and gained them nationwide acclaim via a youtube video capture and local reporting.

It was the polar opposite of what we saw in that game yesterday in the closing minutes by Italy and it's why I have an issue with people screaming about fairness, and being cheated, while the team they support spends the last 15 to 20 minutes or so of the game trying to cheat their way to victory.

[graywolfe81]

The spazzo is on ESPN propaganda overdrive. lol

Ahhh personal attacks, the last desperate attempt to win an argument when logic is not a weapon in your arsenal.

I have a lot of respect for Italy, for their players, their talent, and their history, but I'd have a lot more respect for these guys, if they'd try and win clean, even after getting hosed by the refs. As today showed again, nearly everyone's been hosed in this tournament at least once if not moreso, but not everyone is trying to dive their way towards a rectification of said screw jobs.

[RibbyBollywood]

Rewatch the last 15 minutes of the game, particularly any sequence in which Italian players make it into the box, watch what happens, read the last of the pages of this thread when the game was actually going on to see the disgust of fellow posters.

It's a very simple premise. You lose your ability to state that you were cheated, or treated unfairly, when you, yourself, flout the rules, and cheat, to gain advantage and the result you desire. Period. Off the reservation? Only to people who are willing to argue about not being treated with fairness, while at the same time, completely ignoring their sides deliberate attempt to cheat their way to a victory w/dives. If you can't see the hypocrisy here, I can't help you.

And for the record, I'd rather have my mediocre national team lose, than win by diving, and it's why I've been more than frustrated at times w/the actions of Donovan and Beasley over the years. As an off topic example I'll say that
the shining light of dignity can be seen in the actions of that Northwestern US College softball team that carried an opponent (who'd just torn up her knee and couldn't walk and per the umps instructions, couldn't be helped by teammates, after rounding first) from first base to home after she'd hit a home run but couldn't perform the task herself. They ended up losing the game by a run after helping said player, and were bounced out of the playoffs, but their character, dignity, and charity were an example for everyone and gained them nationwide acclaim via a youtube video capture and local reporting.

It was the polar opposite of what we saw in that game yesterday in the closing minutes by Italy and it's why I have an issue with people screaming about fairness, and being cheated, while the team they support spends the last 15 to 20 minutes or so of the game trying to cheat their way to victory.

look up Paolo Di Canio

"
In 2001, he won the FIFA Fair Play Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Fair_Play_Award). The previous December, in a match against Everton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C.), in a noteworthy display of sportsmanship, Di Canio shunned a goal scoring opportunity and caught the ball from a cross instead as the Everton goalkeeper Paul Gerrard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gerrard) was lying injured on the ground after he twisted his knee attempting a clearance on the edge of the box. FIFA described the act as "a special act of good sportsmanship."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Di_Canio#cite_note-0)"

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Di_Canio

I think too, there have been examples in cycling, where a player gets injured and a cyclist goes to help and in running too. The softball story is heroic but is not all that rare.

Furthermore, a lot of teams try these kinds of tactics ever so often and I do mean most of the big boys, I will say it is not fair to single Italy out because obviously, to the US fans, they disparage Mexico in this way, and I don't know if our boys do it as seems to be inferred, I didn't think so and I only see such happening in the MLS once in a great while.

Maybe from there lack of success in tournaments, England doesn't do those tricks either! :p unless it's Rooney blowing his top! :D

Germany's days of doing such could be possibly over for the most part, but at the price of finishing 3rd in a tournament? It is a dicey business alright.

Not my right to judge either.

'94, world cup final goes to a shootout, no doubt in my mind, Italy are equal to Brazil in that game. Shootouts are awful. That Italian team was very classy. I think the recent group may have upset some people which I can see.

[graywolfe81]

look up Paolo Di Canio

"
In 2001, he won the FIFA Fair Play Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Fair_Play_Award). The previous December, in a match against Everton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C.), in a noteworthy display of sportsmanship, Di Canio shunned a goal scoring opportunity and caught the ball from a cross instead as the Everton goalkeeper Paul Gerrard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gerrard) was lying injured on the ground after he twisted his knee attempting a clearance on the edge of the box. FIFA described the act as "a special act of good sportsmanship."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Di_Canio#cite_note-0)"

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Di_Canio

I think too, there have been examples in cycling, where a player gets injured and a cyclist goes to help and in running too. The softball story is heroic but is not all that rare.

Furthermore, most teams, and we might even say, most champions and the other top teams except Brazil will try these kinds of tactics ever so often and I do mean most of the big boys, I will say it is not fair to single Italy out.

Maybe from there lack of success in tournaments, England doesn't do those tricks either! :p unless it's Rooney blowing his top! :D

Germany's days of doing such could be possibly over for the most part, but at the price of finishing 3rd in a tournament? It is a dicey business alright.

Not my right to judge either.

'94, world cup final goes to a shootout, no doubt in my mind, Italy are equal to Brazil in that game. Shootouts are awful. That Italian team was very classy. I think the recent group may have upset some people which I can see.

In a prior post I mentioned that virtually all countriesdo it but certain countries tend to be more cynical than others (I specified Portugal, Argentina, Italy, and Germany to a lesser extent in previous decades). I definitely do not think Italy's alone in doing it, but I also think that they are consistent offenders (Ghana was as well in World Cup '06) and I've seen England do it too (heck, part of the controvery of the Champions League Final in '05 was that Gerrard was fouled AND dived to make sure the ref saw the foul by accentuating it dramatically) and we all saw Rivaldo's act in the opener against Turkey '02 when he clutched his head as if he'd been shot in the face after being hit in the leg (amusingly enough, Romania's player was doing the same thing after getting smacked in the ankle and we missed part of the live sequence of Mutu's goal against Italy yesterday because the camera was focused on said players facial agony).

Great story, btw, about the Italian players example of fair play, I recall reading about it, but I never saw it, as I didn't really have access to the good stuff until '02 for Champions League, and '06 for league play.

[dc0011]

It was a favorable call in the end of the game, if you're going to let an on side goal slide, then a little grabbing in the box should too.

what are you complaining about? didn't you get a "favorable call" in the end of the australia vs italy game on the world cup??????:rolleyes: what comes around goes around

[Reich]

i don't know what's worse. the pathetic excuses by some italian supporters here or the desperate non-stop diving from the italian team in the last 15 min.

[RibbyBollywood]

....

And for the record, I'd rather have my mediocre national team lose, than win by diving, and it's why I've been more than frustrated at times w/the actions of Donovan and Beasley over the years.


So, yeh, in fact, it becomes a part of the International game and in my opinion for however people want to consider MLS, I was watching it right after the World Cup, and I was thinking, "what's different here?", yeh, people don't go down everytime they get in the penalty area.

And I've had some suspicions about our players ... and is that what your message says that I emboldened?

In some ways, the international tournaments, get shabby, the injury simulation and all this stuff which was in the last World Cup but hasn't really been in this Euro or the last one much at all. I got more of the cable soccer channels, but I think I'm starting to enjoy the qualifying matches because they are away from the big tournament atmosphere.

[FNU]

Ahhh personal attacks, the last desperate attempt to win an argument when logic is not a weapon in your arsenal.

I have a lot of respect for Italy, for their players, their talent, and their history, but I'd have a lot more respect for these guys, if they'd try and win clean, even after getting hosed by the refs. As today showed again, nearly everyone's been hosed in this tournament at least once if not moreso, but not everyone is trying to dive their way towards a rectification of said screw jobs.
I'm not going to argue when no evidence is presented. So man up and back up your claims, or go back to the spazzo board with the rest of the trolls.

[FNU]

what are you complaining about? didn't you get a "favorable call" in the end of the australia vs italy game on the world cup??????:rolleyes: what comes around goes around
Where do you see me complaining about the PK call? Reading comprehension, you should try it sometime.

[FNU]

This is not "a little grabbing"

http://images.alice.it/sg/sportuni/upload/000/0003/000_dv337348.jpg
I agree it was a PK for grabbing, but if you watch the replay, both players were in the air going for the ball with their feet. Panucci got caught grabbing, but he did get to the ball with his foot and didn't take him out without making contact with the ball first. It doesn't matter, Mutu choked.

[FNU]

i don't know what's worse. the pathetic excuses by some italian supporters here or the desperate non-stop diving from the italian team in the last 15 min.
You should talk, all the excuses by the German posters after the Croatia game puts this thread to shame in that department. :rolleyes:

[ToonUSA]

I agree it was a PK for grabbing, but if you watch the replay, both players were in the air going for the ball with their feet. Panucci got caught grabbing, but he did get to the ball with his foot and didn't take him out without making contact with the ball first. It doesn't matter, Mutu choked.

What does it matter if he touched it with his foot? He choke slammed Niculae. Clear penalty, nothing else is relevant.