Italia vs. Romania 6/13/08 [R]

[footyfan1]

It's good that he missed that pk ... cause the call was a joke in my eyes! :rolleyes:

Uwe. Panucci had the guy in a freakin' chokehold. How is that not a penalty??

Scholl said on ARD if Panucci did not have the chokehold on him it would not have been a penalty.

I think that is exactly right.

[Borussia]

Good game? Entertaining, yes. But too many missed passes for my taste, and just kicking the ball away from the area by the Romanians.

The game was on a technically and tactically HIGH level! And it had a lot of pace and MANY scoring opportunities.

If that isn't enough for you, please go watching icehockey! :p


I don't think Romania deserved anything from this game.

Then you need (new) glasses, too...:p ;)

Both teams played on the same level, so it was a fair result! To be honest, I didn't expect Romania so offensive (in contrast to Italy, they didn't badly need 3 points) and good today.

[1shot1kill]

No. First is head to head, and then goal-difference.

Well the situation I'm describing here is when Holland wins tonight, then France and Italy have equal points and that will be their head to head game which in that case would be draw for them having equal points. That's where the goal difference will matter, if there is a difference, if there is none then they are going to shoot penalties.

If France wins tonight and Italy beats France then the head to head counts.

In group A we may see penalties in the Czech Republic - Turkey game since they are equal in points and goals for and against, if they tie at the end of the game the penalties will decide who continues.

[!Bob]

The goal was not offside, but it makes no difference. You work with the calls that are made, right or wrong. World champions can't be so reliant on one mistake by the ref!

On the other hand, the goal was in the 2nd minute of extra time. I think there is a rule that goals in extra time don't count.

[Suyuntuy]

Hockey doesn't compare. I only live in Canada, for work reasons.

[Suyuntuy]

On the other hand, the goal was in the 2nd minute of extra time. I think there is a rule that goals in extra time don't count.
Of course they count, otherwise what would be the point of playing extra time.

[footyfan1]

On the other hand, the goal was in the 2nd minute of extra time. I think there is a rule that goals in extra time don't count.

You're kidding right??

[!Bob]

Well the situation I'm describing here is when Holland wins tonight, then France and Italy have equal points and that will be their head to head game which in that case would be draw for them having equal points. That's where the goal difference will matter, if there is a difference, if there is none then they are going to shoot penalties.

If France wins tonight and Italy beats France then the head to head counts.

In group A we may see penalties in the Czech Republic - Turkey game since they are equal in points and goals for and against, if they tie at the end of the game the penalties will decide who continues.

If there is no goal difference, they look at goals scored (i.e. useless if France lose 4-1). But there are so many hypotheticals involved that makes you wonder why anyone would even think about it, let alone discuss it!

[code1390]

Lol. Some people need to turn their sarcasm detectors on.

[Borussia]

Uwe. Panucci had the guy in a freakin' chokehold. How is that not a penalty??


C'mon, I've seen much clearer pullings in the box which didn't get rewarded with a pk...

You simply can't give a pk in such a scene when you know that you robbed Italy a goal in the 1st half!


On the other hand, the goal was in the 2nd minute of extra time. I think there is a rule that goals in extra time don't count.

For sure...:D

[KaNgArOoS]

What if Holland beats all three and France and Italy draw.

Holland- 9
Romania- 2
France- 2
Italy 2

[!Bob]

What if Holland beats all three and France and Italy draw.

Holland- 9
Romania- 2
France- 2
Italy 2

It would depend on how badly they lost to Holland.

[Suyuntuy]

Sarcastic replies to sarcastic remarks are undetectable on a written medium.

Beyond that, I expected more from Italy. That's the main reason why I'm disappointed with this game. Also, I've seen Romania play more attacking football.

It was an ok game, technical yes, entertaining, but not a great game, in my opinion. And not the best of the tournament.

[code1390]

What if Holland beats all three and France and Italy draw.

Holland- 9
Romania- 2
France- 2
Italy 2

Then it would to to goal difference in games between Romania, France, and Italy.

[!Bob]

C'mon, I've seen much clearer pullings in the box which didn't get rewarded with a pk...

You simply can't give a pk in such a scene when you know that you robbed Italy a goal in the 1st half!





I thought that was a good penalty call. As the commentator said, Italians have been getting away with the arm around the neck far too much! And the ref wouldn't know he had robbed Italy of a goal; refs don't normally watch replays of the game during the half, so he would have considered it a fair call.

[benztown]

I thought that was a good penalty call. As the commentator said, Italians have been getting away with the arm around the neck far too much! And the ref wouldn't know he had robbed Italy of a goal; refs don't normally watch replays of the game during the half, so he would have considered it a fair call.

Besides, consolation calls don't really help the beautiful game.

[code1390]

Hypothetical. Dutch beat Romania and France. France and Italy draw.

Romania, France, and Italy all finish 0-2-1 at 2 points.



Italy and France end 0-0

Goal difference in entire group

Italy and France end 1-1 (or 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, ect)

Italy advance on goals scored in games involving ITA, FRA, ROU

[JanBalk]

Hypothetical. Dutch beat Romania and France. France and Italy draw.

Romania, France, and Italy all finish 0-2-1 at 2 points.



Italy and France end 0-0
[LIST]
Goal difference in entire group


Between Romania and Italy you mean? Since they then have 1-1 in the games against the other two and France have 0-0.

[code1390]

Between Romania and Italy you mean? Since they then have 1-1 in the games against the other two and France have 0-0.

If its a three way tie, they will try to breaking it by ignoring the games involving the Dutch. If that doesn't work, which it wouldn't in a 0-0 ITA/FRA, then it would go to GD of all the games (aka count the game involving the Dutch). Basically, can the Dutch beat Romania by 3 like they did to Italy.

[glennaldo_sf]

This draw was a bad result to Italy. If Holland beats France, they have won the group and will have nothing to play for vs. Romania. Therefore, Van Basten may deploy an out of sorts b-team to take on Romania in the last game. It would also be a tactful move to ensure that either Italy or France are 'eliminated for good' from this competition in the first round as they may linger in the semifinals later... if Holland allow Romania to qualify with them they will ensure a quarter final vs. (probably Sweden or Russia) and then a SF with Spain/Romania.