Austria v. Poland [R]

[code1390]

Saganowski wasn't trying to pass to Roger, he was shooting at the goal and the ball bounced off the defender's leg

Doesn't matter. A deflection off a defender does not reset offside.

[Devil500]

Doesn't matter. A deflection off a defender does not reset offside.

Yes it does actually..

[code1390]

Yes it does actually..

I'd like to see you prove it.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

was Van Nistelroy offside then?

[code1390]

Law 11, Decision 2

• Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a
ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been
in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an
opponent having been in an offside position.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

I'd like to see you prove it.

It wasn't a forward pass or a thru pass. It was a shoot at goal with a deflection...way different

[WFU03]

Van Nistlerooy was not offside b/c the defender counted as active in the play.

Deflections do not reset offside.
Changes in possession do. For instance, if the Austrian defender had controlled the ball and accidentally passed it to Roger, he would have been onside.

[WFU03]

If you really want to see a ton of scenarios for what is off and what is on, just watch this powerpoint presentation put together by the USSF to instruct referees:

http://www.ussoccer-data.com/docfile/OFFSIDE_8-23-05.ppt

[drahnier]

They always call offside on deflected shots on goal in all other matches ever, so yeah, it has to be offside.

That might be why he called such a cheap penalty, too.
To even things out after realizing the mistake, like they so often do.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

It doesn't matter, the referee is always right even if he's wrong. We could be going back to the Germany-Poland game and start re-evaluating everything. or the Croatia-austria game if it really was a penalty or not

[code1390]

It doesn't matter, the referee is always right even if he's wrong. We could be going back to the Germany-Poland game and start re-evaluating everything. or the Croatia-austria game if it really was a penalty or not

So that means the penalty was correct. I mean, if the ref is always right even if he's wrong like you say.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

Germany has 3-2 goal differential
Poland has 1-3 goal differential
Austria has 1-2 goal differential

i don't know statiscally we are done........

We would have to beat Croatia and Austria would have to tie or beat Germany but then it's 4 points to Germany and the goals against us eliminate us. If Austria beats Germany Austria has 4 points and it doesn't look good for us either


anyone wants to figure this one out?

[Ombak]

It wasn't a forward pass or a thru pass. It was a shoot at goal with a deflection...way differentWay different in many ways, but not when it comes to offside.

When the ball leaves the shooter's foot is when offside is determined. A deflection does not play an attacker on. If a defender somehow got control of the ball then yes you would have a situation where the player can't be offside because the ball is coming to him from the other team.

In other words, if you have a shot on goal and there is a player in an offside position he will be called offside if the ball deflects to him, rebounds to him or in some other way reaches him on that play.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

So that means the penalty was correct. I mean, if the ref is always right even if he's wrong like you say.

Well he did pull his shirt and he brought the player down. It could go either way

[jpAustria]

looooooooooool you guys are funny, it wasn't offside because it was deflected - that might be some very unique rule from Poland. :eek:

[Tuco]

It doesn't matter, the referee is always right even if he's wrong.

http://www.248am.com/mark/interesting/kuwait-vs-france-1982-world-cup/

:D


Sorry, just had to post that =D .

Good fight, good night, folks

[lonelycowboy]

It doesn't matter, the referee is always right even if he's wrong. We could be going back to the Germany-Poland game and start re-evaluating everything. or the Croatia-austria game if it really was a penalty or not

Of course it does not matter because decisions made by the referee are facts.

But when talking about rules it was clearly off-side no doubt about that. Please always first look up the rules but as you can see I think this discussion is needed.

[WhiteStar Warriors]

so what's next instant replay?

or should they implement the ZONE thing they have on ESPN?

[BMike86]

1--- why the fock is US officiating in this thread? :eek: jesus a. christ

2--- why the fock do some of the Polish support have to b!tch? there is no reason to... obviously this wasn't our tournament. we got an offsides goal that shouldn't have counted but i'd gladly take it. and there was a questionable penalty call, because a man was pulled down and he could have called a penalty even though that guy wouldn't have affected the play, but the official did call it which is rightfully correct. the fate was in our hands and we spoiled it. you could tell that the official was serious about the shirt tugging when he made the austrians re-kick, so why get all handsy on the austrian and pull him down for fock's sake? WHY?!?!?! :mad: i have no problems with the austrians draw, and am yet again disappointed in how Poland has done in another tournament.

3--- the only way i can see this tournament not being a failure with us not advancing is if we can somehow beat Croatia. like i said even if we don't advance if we beat Croatia i think there will be a positive for us in this tournament... but in both this Euro and in the World Cup i thought it was feasible for us to advance out of the groups. i didn't think we were ever favorites but i did think there was a good possibility. to be let down twice sort of hurts big time.

4--- a lot of you have to look yourself in the mirror before coming up with all these bullshite excuses for Poland. and yes they are bullshite, i like you are hurting... BUT the only one we can blame is ourself. because if we could finish better and have scored a second goal the austrians would have been done and who knows if the goal for the austrians even happens. so before you come up with another lame excuse for another match, check yourself :mad:

[drahnier]

anyone wants to figure this one out?
Clearly you have to beat Croatia by one more goal than Austria beats Germany by.

So your problem is the unlikeliness of Austria beating Germany, but if Austria does beat Germany it will almost certainly be by one goal, and you scoring 2 goals on an already qualified Croatia isn't that unlikely.