Germany's new stadiums by 2006

[jonam]

I've created this list 2 or 3 weeks ago. Might be of interest for non-German speaking people who are interested in the Bundesliga.

http://www.schwatzgelb.com/fanservice/stadiums.htm

If you detect mistakes send me a PM.

jonam, http://www.schwatzgelb.com

[Adrian P.]

Arent you forgetting the new stadiums of Elversberg and Eschborn?

[domingo]

Why did you list Wedaustadion and Volkswagen-Arena but not Ostseestadion?

Just curious

[Adrian P.]

Domingo and I are not attacking you Jonam.

Just for the sake :)

[wolfsburgh]

Changing the topic slightly, why do the stadiums cost so little relative to the cost of US stadiums? I can think of a number of reasons: (a) stadium construction is cheaper in Germany; (b) the US costs include items that the German costs don't; (c) the US stadiums are more extravagant. Can anyone shed light on this? To give you an example, the new Munich stadium is supposed to cost in the high 200 millions (dollars), but FedEx Field in Maryland cost something like $500 million, as did the new Lincoln Financial Field in Philly (the flip side of that is that I think Heinz Field in Pittsburgh cost in the hight 200 millions).

[olafgb]

Don't know the reason, I can hardly imagine that building is cheaper in Germany. Maybe it is because the constructions are pretty simple and unfortunately IMO not the latest standard in stadium technology (some exceptions).

[Adrian P.]

English Stadiums are also very expensive Arenals new Stadium will cost 500 million pounds for a stadium with 60k.

[wolfsburgh]

Looking at just the NFL stadiums opened in this decade (2000s), the costs are:

Paul Brown Stadium (Cincy) $455 m.
Invesco Field (Denver) $401 m.
Ford Field (Detroit) $325 m.
Reliant Stadium (Houston) $449 m.
Gillette Stadium (Foxboro) $397 m.
Lincoln Financial (Philly) $530 m.
Heinz Field (Pittsburgh) $281 m.
Seahawks Stadium (Seattle) $430 m.

Source: www.nflpa.org

Maybe, as Olaf suggested, the NFL teams are getting BMW 7-series while the BL teams are settling for VW Jettas.

As for Arsenal, I think London is an extreme example. How much did the new Southampton stadium cost (St. Mary's?)? That's probably a more realistic counterpart.

[olafgb]

Just a guess - maybe in Germany they just report the costs for the mere construction, while elsewhere they are adding the costs for the territory?!?

[wolfsburgh]

Perhaps Olaf is right; the US costs may include infrastructure costs (cost of purchasing and developing land, access roads, parking lots, etc.); don't know. A few other thoughts: the US stadiums are larger, which will increase costs some (although there is a certain economy of scale that kicks in when stadiums reach a certain size); team owners have a love affair with luxury suites, which bring in a lot of money, but probably cost significantly more than plain old seats, terracing (which all the German stadiums still seem to have). But still, I think the cost difference is striking.

[Germanshepherd]

Perhaps the building-efficiency is better in Germany?

Don`t know, but it seems to be a good thing if the costs are lower.

[Adrian P.]

Yah with a price like English stadiums no wonder why they all are close to bankrupcy.

[wolfsburgh]

Originally posted by Germanshepherd
Perhaps the building-efficiency is better in Germany?

Don`t know, but it seems to be a good thing if the costs are lower.

Maybe. Like I said, I'm looking for answers. If costs are, in fact, lower in Germany, than that is most definitely a good thing for German clubs.

[Texan]

It comes down to luxuries and amenities. They require a lot more space which makes construction costs higher. European stadii are still a generation behind what is being built in America at the moment. And the relatively high amount for an English stadium is likely due to very high land prices.

[jonam]

I think the point is that most of the new projects in Germany are soccer stadiums only. That means that of course large hospitality and vip facilities are included (maybe not that luxurious and large as they have in new American stadiums) but that's it. For example the new Ashburton Grove is more than that. It's the redevelopment of a whole area in one of the most expensive cities in the world. The stadium is only a part (sure a pretty important one) of the whole project.

Munichs stadium which costs more than 200 mio euro is build outside the city at a highway crossing. Only the stadium will be built there, nothing more. Of course companies which rent vip boxes can use them throughout the year for business meetings or as incentives but you won't see masses of people in and around the complex spending money on non-match days. The main act is every 14 days only (Munich has 2 clubs so it is every 7 days plus European cup)

Btw: It's also not a very interesting place as it's next to a waste dump.

Another point is that many of the listed costs don't include infrastructure developing. Most of the infrastructure will be paid by the city, state and federal governments.

[Milos]

Originally posted by Adrian P.
English Stadiums are also very expensive Arenals new Stadium will cost 500 million pounds for a stadium with 60k.



Part of the reason for the high price of Arsenals new stadium is because its in London which has very high land prices!







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[domingo]

Originally posted by Milos

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[aloisius]

It seems to me that most American stadiums don’t even have a big enough roof to protect most of the fans from rain, while in Europe that is a must except for the south where it’s not needed. Why? Most money probably goes on the stuff that doesn’t have anything to do with the sport.

[JJ Mindset]

I read something that said that 1860 Munich were going to move some matches, maybe German cup matches, to the Grunwalder stadium. Is that true?

[olafgb]

Originally posted by JJ Mindset
I read something that said that 1860 Munich were going to move some matches, maybe German cup matches, to the Grunwalder stadium. Is that true?

Cup games, yes. For Bundesliga they would never get a permit for this ruin.