2 to go through...

[4evermedi]

The torrentioal rain saved the Swiss from a huge defeat. The Turks were putting on the press and a show while it was dry. 3-4 goals in the Swiss nets seemed likely. But, the heavy rain took away the Turks' advantage and their skill in passing. Keeping the ball on the ground with pinpoint passes became a liability. Having said that, the slightly better field condition of the second half paid off for the Turks who insisted on keeping it on the ground and outtechniqued the Swiss.

It is not easy to come back from 1-0, under such horrible conditions at a host stadium. I predict no penalty shootouts in the Czech game. No proisoners taken--one will fall.
I go with Turkiye winning by a score of 2-1. Keep an eye on Arda and Gokdeniz--have no idea Terim did not play them against Portugal.:(

[dannytoone]

The torrentioal rain saved the Swiss from a huge defeat. The Turks were putting on the press and a show while it was dry. 3-4 goals in the Swiss nets seemed likely. But, the heavy rain took away the Turks' advantage and their skill in passing. Keeping the ball on the ground with pinpoint passes became a liability. Having said that, the slightly better field condition of the second half paid off for the Turks who insisted on keeping it on the ground and outtechniqued the Swiss.

It is not easy to come back from 1-0, under such horrible conditions at a host stadium. I predict no penalty shootouts in the Czech game. No proisoners taken--one will fall.
I go with Turkiye winning by a score of 2-1. Keep an eye on Arda and Gokdeniz--have no idea Terim did not play them against Portugal.:(

Lol...I just took a look at your posting history...quite funny.

[RibbyBollywood]

Because the Turks have a history of losing the first game and coming back and it sounds like they've done it more than once, '02 being a famous example, I'd give them the nod over the Czechs, but it can be anyone's game.

The Czechs need to stay cool under pressure the way Portugal has done so well in both of their games, even when the games were tied instead of folding.

I'm honestly sorry, if the host teams have a tough tournament, at least half has but Turkey really are a good team and clearly can surprise people.

The Czechs have played the Germans so often and usually, predictably lose by a goal.

The Turks might give them a run but they've got to show up with their A game, if they advance and that is the quarterfinal game.

I'm not Turkish or connected religiously or anything, it is just that when they play, it is an exciting game and that was with the pitch being all flooded in the first half. Switzerland are there rivals, at least for the near future, like it or not though I thought the two played with fairly good sportsmanship towards each other.

I read one board where maybe a Swiss fan was unsatisfied and said the Turks might have flopped a bit. Hey, the game I saw, I saw two Turks who had to change shirts, one get his head bandaged, for blood.

Not all, but many people's predictions are taking beatings, but I did predict the Turks to advance... so that one could still well hold up.

[4evermedi]

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Originally Posted by 4evermedi http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/images/bigsoccer/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14861792#post14861792)
The torrentioal rain saved the Swiss from a huge defeat. The Turks were putting on the press and a show while it was dry. 3-4 goals in the Swiss nets seemed likely. But, the heavy rain took away the Turks' advantage and their skill in passing. Keeping the ball on the ground with pinpoint passes became a liability. Having said that, the slightly better field condition of the second half paid off for the Turks who insisted on keeping it on the ground and outtechniqued the Swiss.

It is not easy to come back from 1-0, under such horrible conditions at a host stadium. I predict no penalty shootouts in the Czech game. No proisoners taken--one will fall.
I go with Turkiye winning by a score of 2-1. Keep an eye on Arda and Gokdeniz--have no idea Terim did not play them against Portugal.:(

Lol...I just took a look at your posting history...quite funny.
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What part of that do you find funny? They did not play their usual game against Portugal. Terim had a horrible line up, but when they bring their A game, they are a delight to watch with their skills and creativity. They had a similar run in 2002 when they came in 3rd in the world. And after beating the Czechs (whom I respect a lot in soccer), they will keep on getting stronger and playing the "beatiful game" at a high level. You will not laugh too long...You heard it here first!

[Fry36]

I would want Turkey to go through since I'm Turkish and all but I don't see us beating the Czechs unfortunately. First of all Terim's ego is unbelievable and if you ever find yourself asking "why is X still on the pitch?" or "why is Y still on the bench?" while watching a Turkey game, the answer willl most likely be "because Terim doesn't want to look ordinary with expected moves."


On top of all this the only decent defender in the entire squad is Servet Cetin. Gokhan Gonul the RB got injured before the tournament started and the Besiktas CB Ibrahim Toraman wasn't called up because of Terim's neverending love for the 34 year old Emre Asik who's like a walking disaster.

Terim's love for coming up with the unthinkable (i.e. trying to play 4-3-3 with players like Tumer Metin, Mehmet Aurelio, and Kazim Kazim) has all of us scared to death, so there won't be any positive thinking on the Turkish side until the game starts and we focus on the match and not the -s of our head coach and half assed lineup...

So uhh,

1. Portugal 7
2. Czech Republic 6
3. Turkey 3
4. Switzerland 1

is what I think will happen but I hope I get 2 and 3 backwards.

[Amsteldam]

I'm completely confused by the tiebreaker, folks :confused:

TIE-BREAKER RULES :
If two or more teams finish equal on points after all the group matches have been played, the following criteria will be applied to determine the ranking :


(a) Greater number of points obtained in the matches between the teams in question.
(b) Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).
(c) Greater number of goals scored in the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).
(d) Goal difference in all the group matches.
(e) Greater number of goals scored in all the group matches.
(f) Coefficient of points from the last two qualifying competitions for the final rounds of the 2006 World Cup and Euro 2008 (points gained and divided by the number of matches played).
(g) Fair Play conduct of the teams (final tournament).
(h) A drawing of lots by the Organising Committee.
b) Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).

Does that mean the GD between the teams in question during their match, or GD altogether??? :confused:

[DonMancini]

I'm completely confused by the tiebreaker, folks :confused:

b) Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).

Does that mean the GD between the teams in question during their match, or GD altogether??? :confused:

I see your point - that is confusing.

If it's the goal difference during the match then it's the same thing as head to head results (a) because if one team scored more goals than the other in their game it means that they beat them and incidentally means that criteria a) would determine the winner.

If it's goal difference altogether then it's the same thing as d) so I'm really clueless on this one.

[ThreeApples]

I'm completely confused by the tiebreaker, folks :confused:

b) Goal difference resulting from the matches between the teams in question (if more than two teams finish equal).

Does that mean the GD between the teams in question during their match, or GD altogether??? :confused:It means GD from the games played between the teams that are tied. This tiebreaker can only come into play with a tie involving 3 or more teams. If it is a 2-team tie, then either somebody won the match between the two teams, and thus wins on tiebreaker (a), or they tied their match, and thus the GD for both teams is zero, and they have to go on to the next tiebreaker criterion.

If there's a 3-way tie, and those three teams all won 1 and lost 1 against each other, then you compute the GD from the games played amongst the 3 teams and see if somebody comes out ahead.

[Amsteldam]

I see your point - that is confusing.

If it's the goal difference during the match then it's the same thing as head to head results (a) because if one team scored more goals than the other in their game it means that they beat them and incidentally means that criteria a) would determine the winner.

If it's goal difference altogether then it's the same thing as d) so I'm really clueless on this one.
Yep, great minds think alike ;) I'm as stumped as you are :eek:
It means GD from the games played between the teams that are tied. This tiebreaker can only come into play with a tie involving 3 or more teams. If it is a 2-team tie, then either somebody won the match between the two teams, and thus wins on tiebreaker (a), or they tied their match, and thus the GD for both teams is zero, and they have to go on to the next tiebreaker criterion.

If there's a 3-way tie, and those three teams all won 1 and lost 1 against each other, then you compute the GD from the games played amongst the 3 teams and see if somebody comes out ahead.
So then Portugal wins the group since there cant be a 3-way tie, correct???
And also cause the only 2 teams that can tie Portugal were beaten by Portugal
(Czecho and Turkey)

[RibbyBollywood]

http://www.soccerway.com/news/2008/June/12/czech-republic-turkey-clash-might-end-in-penalties


Headlining at soccerway, Czechs versus Turkey could go to PK shootout after 90 if tied, both losing to Portugal by 2, both defeating Switzerland by 1.

"BASEL, Jun 12 (SW) - An extraordinary set of circumstances could lead to a penalty shootout in the crucial Group A match between the Czech Republic and Turkey on Sunday."


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The Czechs didn't deserve more than a draw versus Switzerland, there were those touchy no-calls with the handball and I like the Czechs but the word for their attack is "lackluster" and I'd just as soon as someone who might have a chance to win against the number one team in group B to advance. Then, maybe the Czechs are still holding back, teams have problems breaking out sometimes.

Cech is one of the best goalkeepers but doesn't have enough offense to help him.

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All this is why I like soccer, because often issues of who is best isn't really settled, it's just a break one way or the other.