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Laramie4OKC
13 Aug 2002, 11:18 AM
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Stadium plan may receive kick-start

2002-08-13
By Kenna Griffin
The Oklahoman


EDMOND -- Negotiations between the University of Central Oklahoma and the Edmond school district about renovation to the university's Wantland Stadium could get another player.
And the 40-year-old stadium, which the three Edmond high schools and the university use for football games, might be getting another sport.

UCO and school officials have been working on a partnership agreement that would require each to pay for part of renovations the stadium needs and allow the school district to become a part owner.

Now the possibility looms that a professional soccer team could locate in Edmond and possibly become a tenant for a revamped Wantland Stadium.

Under the agreement the school district and university have been negotiating, the stadium would be remodeled to include additional and updated seating, concession stands, an improved press box, additional and updated rest rooms and a new scoreboard.

Officials from the school district and university said the partnership would be beneficial because it would allow the entities to split the cost of renovating the stadium.

School officials said that as part owners, the district would no longer have to pay to use the stadium for high school football games.

Speculation this summer that Edmond could land a Major Soccer League franchise has sparked additional interest in Wantland Stadium as a site for the team's home games.

University officials began talking in July with Brad Lund, chief executive officer of Express Sports, which is interested in bringing a Major League Soccer franchise to the Oklahoma City area.

The idea of a soccer stadium was first suggested for Bricktown, but attention centered on Edmond when Oklahoma City leaders expressed no interest in a downtown soccer stadium.

Major League Soccer officials recently announced that they will not add teams until 2004 at the earliest. The organization's commissioner said the league needs to expand, but will not do so until it has the right market, owner and facilities. There was no mention of ongoing discussions with Edmond officials.

University spokesman Charlie Johnson said the university is continuing its discussions with Edmond schools, but officials are open to adding more partners and bankrolls to the project.

If the partnership grows to include a professional soccer team, Johnson said, the stadium will need different types of renovations. With soccer, use of the stadium would increase.

"We would use Wantland about eight months out of the year instead of four," he said.

City Manager Larry Stevens said city officials also are discussing the possible presence of a soccer team in Edmond. He said a task force will look at the possibility from the city's perspective.

If the soccer team comes the city will be involved, Stevens said. He said it is unclear what that involvement will be.

Edmond Schools Superintendent David Goin estimates the remodeling for the high schools and university will cost between $8 million and $9 million. It is uncertain what the remodeling will cost for expansions needed to support a soccer team.

Goin said the district's portion of the money would need to come from a bond issue. He said voters could expect to see a bond issue question as early as fall.

Goin said a partnership is important to create a better stadium than would be possible without the joint effort.

Edmond's three high schools -- North, Memorial and Santa Fe -- play football games at the stadium. Goin said the district pays the university between $30,000 and $40,000 a year to rent the stadium.

He said junior varsity football teams play at the high schools' fields, which are not adequate for 6A play.

High school games on Thursdays and Fridays and a college game Saturday puts a lot of wear and tear on Wantland's field, Goin said.

The school district and university could move forward with the project as soon as this winter, Goin said. He said work on the stadium is at least two school years away.




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Laramie4OKC
13 Aug 2002, 11:26 AM
Suburban Edmond, a soccer enriched community which borders OKC to the north is preparing plans to convert Wantland Stadium (University of Central Oklahoma) into an MLS specific stadium with hopes of luring an MLS team.

A recent survey completed by the Edmond Sun (local daily) indicated that Edmond residents favor bringing Major League Soccer to this north OKC community.

Express Sports of Oklahoma City owns the Oklahoma City Blazers (AA Central Hockey League) have shown interest in a partnership with the University of Central Oklahoma and the Edmond Public Schools in which has three high schools will also use the stadium besides the college (Edmond North, Edmond Memorial and Edmond Sante Fe).

The Blazers as you know are the most successful minor league hockey franchise in North America averaging 9,000 fans a game for the last 10 seasons in the 13,479-seat Myriad Arena which will soon be retired. The Blazers move into the Ford Center, a new 18,178-seat NHL quality arena which was built for the City's unsuccessful bid for an NHL franchise in 1997 in which Nashville, Atlanta, St. Paul and Columbus were awarded franchises.

My understanding is that Wantland Stadium will be renovated to an MLS stadium meeting minimum standards.

Oklahoma City's Bricktown area could later be asked to build a new 40,000-seat soccer specific stadium depending on the success of the MLS in Edmond.

You see, OKC will be retiring bonds in a few years and an election to build a new soccer specific stadium will not require an increase in present taxes.

Paul Nasta
13 Aug 2002, 12:05 PM
I thought the Metros had it bad sharing their stadium with 2 football teams. The Edmond team will share this stadium with 3 football teams. With football being played there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, exactly when will the soccer team play?

Not only will the field have football lines on it (at least toward the end of the MLS season), but my guess is it will be pretty chewed up with all the use it will get.

I'm sorry to sound so negative, but having an MLS team as the fourth tenant behind 3 high schools and a college, in a stadium located in a suburb of a minor league city, is just not "major league". It's worse than Naperville, but at least Naperville is temporary.

usbfc
13 Aug 2002, 12:50 PM
No MLS Specifically Constructed Stadium?

I say, NO WAY.

MtMike
13 Aug 2002, 12:56 PM
When I read this I think "Miami Fusion"

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 12:57 PM
i don't mind sharing with the college provided there is no track and there is grass




i do mind sharing with the highschools... that reeks of abuse to all hell... 4 football teams as it is should rip that field to hell just a few games into the season...

for a time, 4 city schools used the same football field here in springfield... not a good thing come the end of the year... that has changed

surely one of the city schools can erect something to have an adequate HS football field, that should be involved in any bond, imo

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by MtMike
When I read this I think "Miami Fusion"


good point, that was a great stadium, great pitch... nice and wide


they shouldn't abuse it though... i would think a college, 3 highschools and a soccer team would be though

Viking64
13 Aug 2002, 01:32 PM
Nexturf. Sorry, but that's my first guess. If it has no permanent lines at all, then changover takes the time it takes to strip and paint, not that hard.

I don't know if Naperville is the example to pick from. Their turf is not actually Nexturf, it's some other kind. The knap is too thick, and the ball is too slow on the surface.

And it's also hotter than bejesis in daylight, which is a problem in OK even worse than northern IL.

Or, a tray system. With 3 high schools, a college, and MLS, they could afford a rotating tray system of turf. Otherwise, I see no possible way to manage a field with that much play on it.

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 01:58 PM
i feel pretty confident in mls bringing in only grass fields for expansion teams... they would probably let a team play on fake until a grass stadium was finished, but other than that... i see no more fake crap in mls

i think they have learned their lesson with naperville on that one

Huss
13 Aug 2002, 03:21 PM
WE WILL START CARDING FOLKS WHO SKIRT THE CENSOR.

Paul Nasta
13 Aug 2002, 03:50 PM
Mike -- I'm not going to argue with you about how the stadium would be used. But, if I understand you correctly, from late August until MLS Cup, Wantland Stadium will be used once or twice a week by UCO and/or one of the high schools. The MLS team will have to schedule it's games around those of UCO at least a couple of times. And from late August on, the field will have football lines.

If Wantland is a temporary situation until an SSS, where the MLS side would be the primary tenant, is built, then go ahead. But it just doesn't seem like a good thing for the league to put a team in Wantland on a long term basis.

It's one thing to be forced out to the suburbs in LA or Chicago, or to play second fiddle in NY to an NFL team, but to play in the suburbs of OKC and have to yield to a Div II college at the same time would be a mistake.

I'm not sure of your point that sharing with high schools and a DII team is not the same as sharing with a DI or NFL team. If someone else is using the field, it's not available to MLS. It doesn't matter if that someone else is a Pop Warner team or an NFL team; either way, the field is not available. If you are arguing that damage to the field will not be as bad because the teams using the field are only DII college and HS, well then it's just a matter of degree; there will still be enough damage to ruin the field for soccer.

Finally, I'm not against OKC, but if MLS is going to go there, I'ld like to see it do better than being the fourth or fifth tenant at Wantland; if that's the best possible stadium situation, then maybe OKC is not worth it.

ElJefe
13 Aug 2002, 03:56 PM
What makes you think that the MLS team will have to schedule around the high school teams and not the other way around?

Paul Nasta
13 Aug 2002, 04:05 PM
I never said the MLS team would have to schedule around the high schools; I said the MLS would have to schedule around UCO a couple of times a year.

According to Mike Segrove's post, UCO plays on Saturdays, and there would be conflicts when UCO has a home game.

Since UCO owns the stadium, I'm assuming they would get the stadium whenever they wanted it, and MLS would have to work around UCO's schedule.

Paul Nasta
13 Aug 2002, 04:45 PM
Can you drink beer there?

Paul Nasta
13 Aug 2002, 04:51 PM
It's good to see they've already got the barbed wire fences, to prevent pitch invasions by MLS hooligans.

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 04:57 PM
geebus... asphalt track... why even bother? just use the road


as for the place... if they get rid of the track and build seating most of the way round (might be cool to have a small picnic area in a corner or two)

the pitch could then be huge

my fears of damage are a bit lessened, but i would still prefer one of the 3 highschools getting money from said bond issue to throw some stands next to one of their fields... it doesn't appear like it would need to much from the pictures




and from the perspective of being a fan of a team that already shares a stadium with a college football team (d3 i believe)... that isn't a problem

the problem is the pitch, the track, and no beer

if those three things (hell, the beer ain't that bad... there are bars everywhere nearby) were resolved, it would be virtually ideal... no location is ever going to be perfect


since this stadium is entirely on the ground (dug in)... they would need more room to place concession stands, bathrooms, fencing, tv towers, you name it)... but it looks like it is there

an increase in seating would also lead to additional run-off, but since the track will have to be ripped out, a new drainage system would probably need to be done anyways

i'm sure the school would love to update it's field and bring some more exposure to itself... this could very easily happen at a much smaller cost than they would have anticipated otherwise


-jim

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Paul Nasta
Can you drink beer there?


i would imagine they have never had an event there that could have beer before


ncaa does not allow alcohol sold at their games


pro sports do, but they would probably have to work with the city and county to change that for a soccer team... not too big a deal, this just happened for the bears in champaign (ncc prevented it in naperville), as the school and the county were for it... they just lessened the maximum number of seats the bears could sell (but also different case than a pro soccer team, just an example)

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Paul Nasta
It's good to see they've already got the barbed wire fences, to prevent pitch invasions by MLS hooligans.

they'll turn the track into a wall of fire during games

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 05:07 PM
i wasn't sure if one of the school might have the room for an extra field, so that if the county/city gave them funds... they could create a suitable HS stadium with stands and a good enough field... kinda tagteaming the bond issue with the college

my old HS is slowly going that route... we surprisingly got a rubber track before the place is good enough for football (i swore the track would never happen, i think i lost $1000 to my old track coach)... of course we are a private school, and everything occurs slowly for us

but one of the pulic city schools did turn their old practice field into the city's second HS football field, i don't know if they play varsity games there yet... but it has everything it needs now

jmeissen0
13 Aug 2002, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by Mike Segroves
Doing a bond issue for athletic fields at schools is risky when a great deal people believe that tax dollars for schools should go to academics rather than athletics.


aye, but since they were already talking about a bond for an mls stadium... that's why i thought maybe throwing in a HS field revamping might work