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johno
24 May 2008, 11:22 PM
How'd they do this year, what are your thoughts on them and how they can improve? Will we see a decline in their play or will we see them kick on and boost production.

Manchester United brought in players 4 who represented many things this season.

Anderson – he shits on Fabregas…


His talent is blatant and his love for the game undeniable, those are the things that make him an apt comparison to Ronaldinho. He’s nothing like him as a player but he may one day have that kind of impact on games. Did we get him just to get him or was there some craving to make up for missing out on another Brazilian conquest?

Anderson has shown heart, potential, skill and a workrate that few would have expected. To build on his game next season he must add consistency, he must pace himself better and most importantly he must begin to add goals to his game. Not simply scoring them. We don’t and won’t need him to tally 10 goals in a season. 3 or 4 well placed goals would be fine, but he must create more chances and the addition of a 9 may enhance this ability. In a way, he’s the most fortunate of the new signings because at his position he was unlikely to get much playing time – spending much of this season just getting used to things. However with the injuries he was given a great opportunity to show his wares and prove himself. As such, he’ll have just as big a role in the coming season as the manager and players will have confidence in him. He’ll be in better situations as likely he wont have to wait until an injury crisis occurs to get a game, but he must build on last season’s success.



Hargreaves – the midfield enforcer…


We’ve looked high and low for a replacement for Roy Keane. We’ve not yet found one, but in terms of securing a player with heart, tenacity, stamina and the ability to win the ball, we’ve found one in Owen. He’s got much to work on and many ways he can improve. However he may have found a niche as a RW or as an advanced midfielder in the 433. He’s no defensive shield, but in matches against physical teams he’s up for a scrap and is a useful tool to have at our disposal. He’s proven to be more than we’d bargained for in a couple areas. I’d always fancied his crossing and ability to strike the ball, however he’s our 2nd best corner taker and the best FK taker for close in situations – add to that his pace and uncanny ability to find a foot or so of room on the touchline to get deep for a cross and he’s turned himself into less of a liability going forward than we first feared.

He must hone his ball retention skills and improve his positional awareness. His ability to lose a runner from midfield cost us goals this season and as a player who will make his money at United not in attack but rather by doing the dirty work this is inexcusable.


Luis Nani – twinkle toes…

He is a Manchester United winger. He’s got pace, he’s got skill he’s got ball and most importantly he’s got goals in his boots. He seemingly knows how to score only the most spectacular items topped off with the best celebrations we’ve seen for quite some time.

This lad has very little developing left to do. We knew he was a more finished product than Ronaldo was when we brought him to Old Trafford. What we couldn’t have expected is how fast he adapted and how well his game suits the league. Now when I say he’s got little development left I don’t mean to say that we’ve seen his best. I mean that we’ve seen what will come of him. He’s not going to develop the vision of Scholes or the strength and power of Rooney. What he can and must do however is refine the skills already at his disposal. He’s got an explosiveness to him because he’s a conventional dribbler which affords him the balance to either cut inside for a shot or to lay the ball off or to burst down the flank and measure a cross. The crosses this season have been good and the shots have been spectacular when on. However he must refine his decision making. He doesn’t need to change who he is, but he must learn the habits of his teammates and how to work within the realm of the team first and foremost.

If he gets a better hold of his decision making he could make United unplayable. It would be like adding (1st year in Prem) Robben to the current team. A player who on his own can weave through 3 or 4 defenders to create a solo goal, or who can use the threat of that to bounce the ball around and catch runners in stride or one who can chose to penetrate the box with the intent of creating a goal scoring chance. With the players around him and opposite him, it’s a scary prospect for the league.


Carlos Tevez – Lionheart

His cunning and slight of foot often leave defenders off balance with the penalty of goals if they slip up, but its his heart and tenacity and never say die attitude that have brought United back from the brink of points dropped many a time this season. He’s a scorer of big goals. Many more than one would suspect given his relatively modest goal scoring total. Maybe a third of his goals were either game winners or game changers.

Carlos Tevez is different from the other three new purchases because he was a bonafide baller before coming to the prem or to United. He’s done his thing on the international stage and in South America and the main question wasn’t whether he was good enough but would he fit in.

Going into next season that question remains unanswered. Oh for sure he endeared himself to us this season and he started off forming a good partnership with Rooney. However when United get the 9 that Fergie so craves it will require another adjustment for Tevez. It may require him being a pseudo AM as Rooney and Ronaldo play like WFs advance of him supplying the 9. It may require him to play on the wing to accommodate Rooney in his preferred position. More likely than not the circumstances may dictate that Tevez spends more time on the bench than he’d like to.

I think his main areas of improvement have to be finishing. It would be greatly beneficial to United if Tevez developed into a useful super sub. Not simply so that he can be relegated to the bench allowing others to shine, but also to allow United tactical flexibility and to afford himself a chance to prove that he indeed belongs in the starting XI. It may seem an unfair indictment however it has been clear that the current side is badly missing a true CF and Tevez has not put in the same dues that Rooney and Ronaldo have.


In my opinion these four players won’t be like new signings next year, but with increased playing time for the first 3 and increased effectiveness for Carlos, we could see a great leap in production – the net impact could be like the signing of a great player. If these lads find their stride at United there’s no telling where the ceiling for this team is.

This thread is generally for your thoughts on the 4 big summer purchases – how they’ve fit in thus far, what they need to do to improve, if they’ll have bigger roles in the season to come etc.

elgoalo
25 May 2008, 12:09 AM
How'd they do this year, what are your thoughts on them and how they can improve? Will we see a decline in their play or will we see them kick on and boost production.

Manchester United brought in players 4 who represented many things this season.

Anderson – he shits on Fabregas…


His talent is blatant and his love for the game undeniable, those are the things that make him an apt comparison to Ronaldinho. He’s nothing like him as a player but he may one day have that kind of impact on games. Did we get him just to get him or was there some craving to make up for missing out on another Brazilian conquest?

Anderson has shown heart, potential, skill and a workrate that few would have expected. To build on his game next season he must add consistency, he must pace himself better and most importantly he must begin to add goals to his game. Not simply scoring them. We don’t and won’t need him to tally 10 goals in a season. 3 or 4 well placed goals would be fine, but he must create more chances and the addition of a 9 may enhance this ability. In a way, he’s the most fortunate of the new signings because at his position he was unlikely to get much playing time – spending much of this season just getting used to things. However with the injuries he was given a great opportunity to show his wares and prove himself. As such, he’ll have just as big a role in the coming season as the manager and players will have confidence in him. He’ll be in better situations as likely he wont have to wait until an injury crisis occurs to get a game, but he must build on last season’s success.



Hargreaves – the midfield enforcer…


We’ve looked high and low for a replacement for Roy Keane. We’ve not yet found one, but in terms of securing a player with heart, tenacity, stamina and the ability to win the ball, we’ve found one in Owen. He’s got much to work on and many ways he can improve. However he may have found a niche as a RW or as an advanced midfielder in the 433. He’s no defensive shield, but in matches against physical teams he’s up for a scrap and is a useful tool to have at our disposal. He’s proven to be more than we’d bargained for in a couple areas. I’d always fancied his crossing and ability to strike the ball, however he’s our 2nd best corner taker and the best FK taker for close in situations – add to that his pace and uncanny ability to find a foot or so of room on the touchline to get deep for a cross and he’s turned himself into less of a liability going forward than we first feared.

He must hone his ball retention skills and improve his positional awareness. His ability to lose a runner from midfield cost us goals this season and as a player who will make his money at United not in attack but rather by doing the dirty work this is inexcusable.


Luis Nani – twinkle toes…

He is a Manchester United winger. He’s got pace, he’s got skill he’s got ball and most importantly he’s got goals in his boots. He seemingly knows how to score only the most spectacular items topped off with the best celebrations we’ve seen for quite some time.

This lad has very little developing left to do. We knew he was a more finished product than Ronaldo was when we brought him to Old Trafford. What we couldn’t have expected is how fast he adapted and how well his game suits the league. Now when I say he’s got little development left I don’t mean to say that we’ve seen his best. I mean that we’ve seen what will come of him. He’s not going to develop the vision of Scholes or the strength and power of Rooney. What he can and must do however is refine the skills already at his disposal. He’s got an explosiveness to him because he’s a conventional dribbler which affords him the balance to either cut inside for a shot or to lay the ball off or to burst down the flank and measure a cross. The crosses this season have been good and the shots have been spectacular when on. However he must refine his decision making. He doesn’t need to change who he is, but he must learn the habits of his teammates and how to work within the realm of the team first and foremost.

If he gets a better hold of his decision making he could make United unplayable. It would be like adding (1st year in Prem) Robben to the current team. A player who on his own can weave through 3 or 4 defenders to create a solo goal, or who can use the threat of that to bounce the ball around and catch runners in stride or one who can chose to penetrate the box with the intent of creating a goal scoring chance. With the players around him and opposite him, it’s a scary prospect for the league.


Carlos Tevez – Lionheart

His cunning and slight of foot often leave defenders off balance with the penalty of goals if they slip up, but its his heart and tenacity and never say die attitude that have brought United back from the brink of points dropped many a time this season. He’s a scorer of big goals. Many more than one would suspect given his relatively modest goal scoring total. Maybe a third of his goals were either game winners or game changers.

Carlos Tevez is different from the other three new purchases because he was a bonafide baller before coming to the prem or to United. He’s done his thing on the international stage and in South America and the main question wasn’t whether he was good enough but would he fit in.

Going into next season that question remains unanswered. Oh for sure he endeared himself to us this season and he started off forming a good partnership with Rooney. However when United get the 9 that Fergie so craves it will require another adjustment for Tevez. It may require him being a pseudo AM as Rooney and Ronaldo play like WFs advance of him supplying the 9. It may require him to play on the wing to accommodate Rooney in his preferred position. More likely than not the circumstances may dictate that Tevez spends more time on the bench than he’d like to.

I think his main areas of improvement have to be finishing. It would be greatly beneficial to United if Tevez developed into a useful super sub. Not simply so that he can be relegated to the bench allowing others to shine, but also to allow United tactical flexibility and to afford himself a chance to prove that he indeed belongs in the starting XI. It may seem an unfair indictment however it has been clear that the current side is badly missing a true CF and Tevez has not put in the same dues that Rooney and Ronaldo have.


In my opinion these four players won’t be like new signings next year, but with increased playing time for the first 3 and increased effectiveness for Carlos, we could see a great leap in production – the net impact could be like the signing of a great player. If these lads find their stride at United there’s no telling where the ceiling for this team is.

This thread is generally for your thoughts on the 4 big summer purchases – how they’ve fit in thus far, what they need to do to improve, if they’ll have bigger roles in the season to come etc.
Didn't read it.

Vocalz
25 May 2008, 12:56 AM
Didn't read it.

Well you're an Arse fan so the assumption that you can't read is pretty much well stated all already. :rolleyes:

iDiveStevieG
25 May 2008, 03:26 AM
Didn't read it.


Need some help pronouncing the big words, little buddy?

johno
26 May 2008, 08:16 PM
Bump... anyone care to chime in?

elgoalo
26 May 2008, 08:34 PM
Well you're an Arse fan so the assumption that you can't read is pretty much well stated all already. :rolleyes:

Can someone tell me what he said?


Anyways, I only watched a couple games, but Anderson and Hargreaves seemed pretty good.

lynne
26 May 2008, 08:38 PM
Bump... anyone care to chime in?

That's weird. I could have sworn that I posted this....let's see if it works this time.

I'm concerned that Anderson, Tevez and Rooney all are going for the same position. Maybe get crowded at the SS spot on the field.

Also, wrt Nani, I thought he looked unplayable at some times this year. I think now that he knows he has the team's confidence (taking the 5th penalty in the CL final), I think he's going to explode next year.

MtP07
26 May 2008, 10:41 PM
Very nice post, johno.

Tevez - I thought he had a good season. It was obvious he wasn't fit in the beginning of the season and seemed to struggle. But we managed to get him some rest and he really came through in the 2nd half of the season. I'm expecting even bigger things from him next season.

Ando - Didn't know much about him prior to joining United in the summer. I really didn't expect much from him as I figured he's only young and would need time to adjust to his teammates, playing in England, etc. He has really impressed me with his workrate, attitude, and skills. I'm not sure what type of player he'll turn out to be, but whatever it is he'll be great.

Nani - Reminds me of a younger Ronaldo. He does one brilliant thing and then 3 dumb things. Fortunately we've been down this road with Ron and we know how to correct it.

Hargy - I was kind of down on him during the first part of the season. I was worried about the injuries and his inability to function in a Utd. caliber central midfield. I think we've since found his best positions on the right side of midfield or as a RB. I really thought he was great during the run-in and has proven he belongs here.

Chaz Striker
27 May 2008, 01:56 AM
All of them were integral parts in us winning the double. Anderson however was the biggest surprise to me. I knew hargreaves was a midfielder and i knew Nani was a winger. I also knew that tevez was a striker. What I didn't know however was that Anderson was going to be so instrumental attacking mid. He was fantastic. I thought when he came here with Nani he was going to be battling with him for Gigg's fading spot. Never did I think he would be a shoe in for Paul Scholes position. Maybe I am showing a lack of knowledge or maybe some of you others were surprised by this as well. All I can say is that to me it was an extremely nice surprise.

doubletrouble
27 May 2008, 04:16 AM
Well you're an Arse fan so the assumption that you can't read is pretty much well stated all already. :rolleyes:


Lol...

Harry Boulton
27 May 2008, 11:15 AM
I'm not sure what type of player he'll turn out to be, but whatever it is he'll be great


Nor am I. The following link is from the BBC's South American football columnist, Tim Vickery:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7419992.stm

He says here there was a great many surprised faces in Brazil when Anderson was deployed as a deep lying midfielder, having shone in attacking wide roles for his previous clubs. People are still not sure whether this added responsibility is adding to his game or under-using the skills he showed in abundance at Porto and Gremio. What is evident, I'd say, is his commitment to a cause, his love of the game and his willingness to apply himself and improve as a player, regardless of where he plays. Can you imagine Nani or Ronaldo being played in defensive ball carrying central midfield position? Never in a million years. Anderson has done exactly that and, what's more, proven himself to be one of the most gifted young players in the league while he's doing it. A real find this lad, as much for his versatility as well as his form and skills. 8/10.

Hargreaves started slowly and it looked as if he might struggle to ascert himself into the side at all, with Carrick and Scholes developing a great understanding in midfield together. Then Anderson came through and showed an ability play with anyone, be it Fletcher, Scholes or Carrick and Owens time looked like it might be spent wondering "what if?". But towaards the end of the season he made a telling contribution at rightback and then was deployed at wide right midfield, having a great game against Chelsea in the C final. His performances got more and more consistant as well. I still have reservations, doubts if you will, about his long term fitness but only time will tell on that front. 7/10

Nani came with a reputation. Anyone who keeps their ears close to the ground with regards to European football had heard of him. Promising young winger with pace, two quick feet and ab eye for goal. He also came with a reputation for being a bit "hot 'n' cold" too. He started off impressively with wonder goals against Tottenham and Middlesbrough at OT though, the former being a winner. Not bad for a teenager fresh from Portugal. Mid-season form dropped and he disappeared from the radar for a bit but it picked up again and his performance against Arszenal in the cup was the best of the season for him, setting up 3 and scoring one. Lots more to come but for a debutant, he has performed admirably. 7/10.

Tevez has been a star this term. Not just for the amount of goals he has managed to score despite being on the bench for much of the campaign, but for the importance of those goals. The winner away to Liverpool has been accompanied by the opener against Chelsea at home, the winner at home to Roma and the truly priceless equalisers away at Tottenham, Lyon and Blackburn, the last of which possibly won us the league. Added to the other 14+ that he has scored from many positions coupled with a tirelss work rate and a "never say die" attitude he's been our signing of the season for me. He leads frrom the front by example, no cause is ever lost and not chance ever goes begging if there is even a hint that he might be able to do something with the situation. And he reckons that he hasn't been playing at 100%? A great understanding with those around him and a great sense of spcial awareness the lad is a great player. 8.5/10, maybe more?