How many points will Hull get next season?

[Prenn]

How many points will Hull City get in the Premier League next season?

9, 10, 11 or 12?










Just kidding, welcome to the Prem! It's good to see Phil Brown doing well.

[GetEmGooners]

i say 25 points....seriously tho

[mintone]

More than Bolton!:p

[John K]

30..

[Neeto]

They look a little better than Derby. I'll go with 20.

[Big Soccer Member]

They are built perfectly for the Championship, as were Derby. If they learn from their mistakes (sign players, loan players, keep it on the floor) they will get about 23 points and be yet a further reason to reduce the league to 18 teams.

[Bluebirds Boyo]

They are built perfectly for the Championship, as were Derby. If they learn from their mistakes (sign players, loan players, keep it on the floor) they will get about 23 points and be yet a further reason to reduce the league to 18 teams.
And then 16... Then 14... :rolleyes:

[RichardL]

And then 16... Then 14... :rolleyes:that's the problem. The gap between the promoted and the rest isn't caused by the clubs not being big enough - it's purely down to tv money, and it's going to get worse. Decreasing the number of teams to 18 wouldn't help in the slightest as it'd just mean you'd have 15 clubs richer than the rest, rather than 17.

There may be a surprise, but currently it does look like it will be a major achievement if any of this year's promoted sides stay up, and that's the first time that's happened. If that is how it pans out then that will cement the places of the other 17 even further, making it even harder for anyone else to come up. With the tv cash gap widening by another £20 million or so, the day when promoted clubs have virtually no chance of surviving is getting nearer by the day.

[Kazuma]

Voted with 12. From what I've read about Hull, if they use Allardyce's system (Brown did help create it from what I've read) they might be able to take a few points if they do things right.

But to be honest it's either them or Stoke that could replace Derby as a the joke a lot of people were making them to be. West Brum for some strange reason will stay up. I don't know why but they just give me that strange feeling.

[ferreira86]

i don't care. im just glad garcia is in the prem.

[Big Soccer Member]

that's the problem. The gap between the promoted and the rest isn't caused by the clubs not being big enough - it's purely down to tv money, and it's going to get worse. Decreasing the number of teams to 18 wouldn't help in the slightest as it'd just mean you'd have 15 clubs richer than the rest, rather than 17.

There may be a surprise, but currently it does look like it will be a major achievement if any of this year's promoted sides stay up, and that's the first time that's happened. If that is how it pans out then that will cement the places of the other 17 even further, making it even harder for anyone else to come up. With the tv cash gap widening by another £20 million or so, the day when promoted clubs have virtually no chance of surviving is getting nearer by the day.
I think you are far too negative on relegation. With proper management and a decent fan base clubs can break and cement their place in the premier league. If you look back 10 years the table was very different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Premier_League_1997-98#Final_league_table

There have been 10 new teams added to the league. Teams like Portsmouth, Man City and Middlesbrough are examples of teams that won't be in fear of relegation for a while. They have consolidated their positions. We could have 10 different teams in 10 years time too as the Championship has more money than 10 years ago, it is open to the iinternational market much more than before and there is more interest, larger fanbases and better foundations in Championship clubs then ever before.

[RichardL]

I think you are far too negative on relegation. With proper management and a decent fan base clubs can break and cement their place in the premier league. If you look back 10 years the table was very different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Premier_League_1997-98#Final_league_table

There have been 10 new teams added to the league. Teams like Portsmouth, Man City and Middlesbrough are examples of teams that won't be in fear of relegation for a while. They have consolidated their positions. We could have 10 different teams in 10 years time too as the Championship has more money than 10 years ago, it is open to the iinternational market much more than before and there is more interest, larger fanbases and better foundations in Championship clubs then ever before.the financial gap is getting wider, and the new tv deal gives it a huge kick, and it's getting harder and harder for teams to bridge that gap. That's not a trend that shows any sign of reversing.

We are seeing this coming year, for perhaps the first time ever, a season when all three promoted clubs are expected to go down. And not only that, two are expected to possibly "challenge" for the honour of the lowest points total ever.

And there is no international interest in the championship. The tv deal is small and clubs still live on the whole from ticket revenue. Good luck abroad trying to find live championship match on tv, unless you find a bar that has SKY.

[Twix]

Umm, can't remember where I heard it but 15 out of the last 30 promoted teams have stayed up so maybe Hull, Stoke and WBA can take solace in that. Though, I will admit if any of the promoted sides reach 50 points between them, I'll be surprised.

[RichardL]

Umm, can't remember where I heard it but 15 out of the last 30 promoted teams have stayed up so maybe Hull, Stoke and WBA can take solace in that.

spin back 20 years or so, and 27 of the previous 30 would stay up. Typically teams who can rack up 90+ points in their promotion seasons have much better chances of survival, as they tend to have more players who can do a job in a league higher. Even champions WBA only reached 81 points. Hull managed just 75.


Though, I will admit if any of the promoted sides reach 50 points between them, I'll be surprised.
I doubt they'll be that bad. To be honest I'd peg them more in Watford country than Derby. Something just went seriously wrong at Derby. They lost 6-0 early in the season, then took a 5-0 hammering soon afterwards, and seemed to know they were going down from that moment onwards. It must be very hard to motivate players who not only expect to lose, but who also know that even if they put the extra effort and performance into making sure they won't lose, it still won't make a difference.

[joshisapoolie]

Stoke and Hull have to play each other, if one team can win both fixtures then thats 6 points in the bag. A few home victories against lesser sides, Bolton, Fulham etc and they could be in the 20 points bracket.

[Big Soccer Member]

And there is no international interest in the championship. The tv deal is small and clubs still live on the whole from ticket revenue. Good luck abroad trying to find live championship match on tv, unless you find a bar that has SKY.

I meant international in respect of the players they are getting. There are Spanish, Scandinavian, Brazilian, Eastern European, etc. players in the Championship. 15 years ago it was only British. Therefore, most championship sides have stronger squads then before and it is possible to get a strong enough squad to finish midtable in the Premiership (Wigan 1st year)

[RichardL]

I meant international in respect of the players they are getting. There are Spanish, Scandinavian, Brazilian, Eastern European, etc. players in the Championship. 15 years ago it was only British. Therefore, most championship sides have stronger squads then before
they do, it's just top division sides have strengthened to a far greater degree. The gap has widened.

For example, in the 80s, Reading were a mid table side in what was confusingly called Division 2, and we played a cup tie v Arsenal who were top of the bizarrely-named Division 1, and they beat us 3-1. I actually think the gap in talent between the two teams on that day was no greater than the gap between ourselves over the last two seasons, where we've technically been in the same division, although clearly not in the same league.


and it is possible to get a strong enough squad to finish midtable in the Premiership (Wigan 1st year)
Wigan's team that finished mid-table was considerably improved with signings from the previous year.

Yes, it can be done - my own team managed it last season with a technically weaker team (missing both 1st choice wingers for large parts of the season) - but we didn't exactly scrape promotion.

I'm not saying it's impossible because clearly it isn't, but it's getting harder, and as newer fans don't tend to appreciate, it's far harder than it used to be. The latest tv deal is going to make it harder still. It might take 4 or 5 years for the effects to really kick in, but sub 20 points finishes could well become the norm for a lot of promoted sides.

[Leedsunited]

Despite getting plenty of stick from the fans who claim to have followed them since they were bottom of the old fourth division (there seem to be at least 20,000 of them, perhaps they didn't count them all in properly), I want to see them stay up. Its nice to see Yorkshire represented in the top division again. Still think they'll drop down fairly swiftly and without much celebration. Can't see them doing quite as terribly as Derby, but they won't beat 15 points for me but I'd wait until I see their summer business before I say that.

Stoke might surprise a few people, they have a big physical team that really bothered Newcastle in the cup last season.

[TSquared21]

Around 22, being reasonable..

[Rig1964]

Hopefully they'll get at least 1 more than Derbynil got last season :p