Two to Top Group C

[johan neeskens]

Calling the stadium "a peasants barn" isn't exactly a compliment.

I've posted in the Dutch forums on many occasions before that. Our sides have played each other 4 times in the last 3 years or so, it's not like I'm a stranger to posting in your forum on matchday.

The last part of your post is just ignorant. So you're saying you discount the views of anyone not living in the country they're posting about? That disqualifies over half your board in that case.

Yes I do. Most of the information you overseas fans get is second hand - you base your opinions on match highlights and written match reports, and tend to rate only those players who are in the big leagues simply because that's what the international media show and report on - no fault of your own but fact all the same. Example: I've been telling the overseas Dutch posters for two years that Engelaar is class, and as prove directed them to Dutch footballer of the year rankings, but they never believed me. One of them even asked me who the tall bloke at a Holland training was - they didn't recognise him. And you know why? Because they have minimal access to live Twente games. Yet now that they've seen him play 3 friendlies for Holland, they all rate him of a sudden. And I'm supposed to take them seriously when they, for example, tell me Seedorf belongs in Oranje? Do me a favour. There's also no way of knowing for overseas fans what the undercurrents in the country of the national team they support are. All of the subtle hints dropped in random Dutch interviews on radio and television and in magazines pass them by. No fault of their own, but fact all the same.

Are you the one who pretends to speak Dutch?

[AFCA]

Kind of like the Dutch posters fabricating quotes of our coach? :rolleyes:

You'd have to take that up with whoever did that.

[johan neeskens]

Kind of like the Dutch posters fabricating quotes of our coach? :rolleyes:

Isn't it funny how you immediately assume that Sneijder was correctly quoted whilst assuming that Piturca wasn't?

[Nickless]

Pff...what's this al about? Why don't we stop with throwing dirt at each other and start talking about football..And we can discuss al we want, about how good the defence of Italy is, the thoughness of the French, the opportunistic approach of football of the Dutch, or the "I will fight for my country" mentality of the Romanians (Also with good football ;))...But I all want to remind you on a quote of Gary Lineker:

"Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end the Germans win."

[johan neeskens]

Oh and Toon:

Do a google search with: roemenië wint met 1-0 van frankrijk.

You'll easily find the Piturca quote.

Actually I'll even add one and have to admit to a mistake: it wasn't Piturca but the chairman of the Romanian football association Basescu who said it.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza.be/voetbal/2.273/voorronde_achtergrond/1.313583

[AFCA]

Pff...what's this al about? Why don't we stop with throwing dirt at each other and start talking about football..And we can discuss al we want, about how good the defence of Italy is, the thoughness of the French, the opportunistic approach of football of the Dutch, or the "I will fight for my country" mentality of the Romanians (Also with good football ;))...But I all want to remind you on a quote of Gary Lineker:

"Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end the Germans win."


But I like throwing dirt :(

[exeprime]

Basescu is the president of the country, I wouldn't consider his opinion on football all that relevant :rolleyes:

About Piturca - if i remember correctly, he once said something like "If we manage to beat France, qualifying to the next stage would be alot easier", and that could have been mistranslated. However, nobody in the football business in Romania ever said anything about beating *any* team in the group easily. At best it's a very controller optimism, something like "hey, anything can happen, it's a very hard group, but we're no push-overs right now, we'll play our chance to the end". And Piturca would NEVER say anything too optimistic - he's the kind of coach that speaks little, and considers every "little" team a threat - if anything, he was pissed off when people said that Belarus was a small team we'd have no problem beating. And the whole team is now built on the same principles he holds dear - iron discipline, hard work and team play.

[johan neeskens]

Basescu is the president of the country, I wouldn't consider his opinion on football all that relevant :rolleyes:

About Piturca - if i remember correctly, he once said something like "If we manage to beat France, qualifying to the next stage would be alot easier", and that could have been mistranslated. However, nobody in the football business in Romania ever said anything about beating *any* team in the group easily. At best it's a very controller optimism, something like "hey, anything can happen, it's a very hard group, but we're no push-overs right now, we'll play our chance to the end". And Piturca would NEVER say anything too optimistic - he's the kind of coach that speaks little, and considers every "little" team a threat - if anything, he was pissed off when people said that Belarus was a small team we'd have no problem beating. And the whole team is now built on the same principles he holds dear - iron discipline, hard work and team play.

Fair enough.

[tomwilhelm]

Why all this posturing from the fans? Everyone knows that every single game in this group could be hotly contested. Every single game.

[AFCA]

we're just having some fun

voetbal is oorlog and we're just warming up

[johan neeskens]

Why all this posturing from the fans? Everyone knows that every single game in this group could be hotly contested. Every single game.

Not everyone seems to be aware of that, that's the thing.

[FNU]

Toon, I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but are you of Romanian decent?

[Amsteldam]

Toon, I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but are you of Romanian decent?
Last world cup he was cheering for the USA, now he's suddenly a Romania fan :D

[ToonUSA]

Yes I do. Most of the information you overseas fans get is second hand - you base your opinions on match highlights and written match reports, and tend to rate only those players who are in the big leagues simply because that's what the international media show and report on - no fault of your own but fact all the same. Example: I've been telling the overseas Dutch posters for two years that Engelaar is class, and as prove directed them to Dutch footballer of the year rankings, but they never believed me. One of them even asked me who the tall bloke at a Holland training was - they didn't recognise him. And you know why? Because they have minimal access to live Twente games. Yet now that they've seen him play 3 friendlies for Holland, they all rate him of a sudden. And I'm supposed to take them seriously when they, for example, tell me Seedorf belongs in Oranje? Do me a favour. There's also no way of knowing for overseas fans what the undercurrents in the country of the national team they support are. All of the subtle hints dropped in random Dutch interviews on radio and television and in magazines pass them by. No fault of their own, but fact all the same.

Are you the one who pretends to speak Dutch?

That's fine, that's the Dutch posters.

However, am I to take it that you feel that every single other poster that posts from overseas is that same as those Dutch posters?

[ToonUSA]

Oh and Toon:

Do a google search with: roemenië wint met 1-0 van frankrijk.

You'll easily find the Piturca quote.

Actually I'll even add one and have to admit to a mistake: it wasn't Piturca but the chairman of the Romanian football association Basescu who said it.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza.be/voetbal/2.273/voorronde_achtergrond/1.313583

Yea, told you it wasn't Piturca.

Fair play for admitting your mistake.

[ToonUSA]

Last world cup he was cheering for the USA, now he's suddenly a Romania fan :D

Dude, you apparently missed my posting in the Dutch forum during the Romania match pre-WC.

When the US qualifies for the Euro let me know. :rolleyes:

I've got my reasons for supporting Romania and have done so passionately. Passionately enough to travel to Holland to watch their match during qualifying. It's weak that instead of arguing points or what not you want to draw on the fact that I'm an American who happens to support Romania along with my country. If you can't get over it that's fine, but your opinion rarely brings anything to the table anyway.

[Amsteldam]

your opinion rarely brings anything to the table anyway.
My opinion is that Romania will finish last in Group C.

We'll see in 2 weeks if I'm "bringing anything to the table"

[FNU]

Toon, I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but are you of Romanian decent?
Is that a yes?

[KumarsS]

I think it'll be the Dutch and the Italians who make it out. I actually think it's the Dutch who have the best chance of finishing at the top of the group.

[ToonUSA]

Is that a yes?

No I'm not, but what does that have to do with it?