Netherlands vs Italy - Monday 9th June [r]

[lurking]

Using that logic players could just hold players behind the goal line meaning strikers are never offside in set pieces.


Holding a player off the field would be a foul.

[borarom]

i can't believe the first goal hasnt been clearly explained. either it is or isn't there shouldnt be a middle ground here.
I think it has been, it's just that 50% of the people here disagree and still want to believe he was offside.

[NGV]

I think France or Romania would take that title after today's matches.
No way of knowing without watching them all play each other. That said, Italy's defense looks to be the weakest they've had in memory.

[roykeanes_safc]

Holding a player off the field would be a foul.

Really never ;)

not all fouls are spotted

[code1390]

11.11 DEFENDER LEGALLY OFF THE FIELD OF PLAY
A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.



Yes, this is from the USSF ATR, but I have no reason to assume it is not the approved position of FIFA.

[sendorange]

Should have been 3.

[jcrocker]

great save by Buffon!! shouldve been the game there. great through ball by Van Der Vaart

[Henry Porter]

No way of knowing without watching them all play each other. That said, Italy's defense looks to be the weakest they've had in memory.

You're right but that's my impression. At least Italy appears that they'll be able to score a goal.

[Bujdasz]

Great save from Buffon.. Channeling some Tim Howard from US - Arg? ;)

If he let that one pass it would be over. Great save.

[Moonsault]

Using that logic players could just hold players behind the goal line meaning strikers are never offside in set pieces.

I guess that's what normal ppl normaly call "blocking without ball" (bad translation probably, sorry) and is forbidden in football. Ever was and ever will be forbidden. So your argument doesn't make sense at all.

[borarom]

Hmm... Been playing and watching the game for over 20 years now and wasn't aware of this.. I thought that if an attacker steps off the field, he is no longer offside. Therefore, I assumed that the same rules also applied to the defending team.
That's not at all the same situation. With the attackers, they are usually ignored if they aren't involved in the play, as everybody knows - it's nothing about stepping off the field. I don't see how that extends to defenders.

[lurking]

Really never ;)

not all fouls are spotted

True, but in terms of gaming the offside rule, it would keep what you proposed from being a strategy. Now, you might choose to delay a oppenent from returning to the field and get away with it, but thats really not much different then a lot of things that occur during a game.

[jcrocker]

GREAT FIRST HALF! What a goal by Schneider

[FNU]

Good job Donadoni! :D

[Crimen y Castigo]

even as an italy supporter -- the more i see that sneider goal, the better it looks. could be the goal of the tourney.

[Jasonma]

no he isnt:rolleyes:

only at your high school

I believe an apology is in order? Clearly a legit goal by the rules of the game.

[lurking]

That's not at all the same situation. With the attackers, they are usually ignored if they aren't involved in the play, as everybody knows - it's nothing about stepping off the field. I don't see how that extends to defenders.

Exactly. The offensive player is still in an offensive position, its just he has taken up a position that is not involved in the play, and thus will not draw a whistle.

[code1390]

Hmm... Been playing and watching the game for over 20 years now and wasn't aware of this.. I thought that if an attacker steps off the field, he is no longer offside. Therefore, I assumed that the same rules also applied to the defending team. Anyhoo.. interesting, makes sense though... my apologies to code1390 for my original reaction to his post then. Seems like it's not so clear cut.

Game of the tournament so far I say. Mind you, not like there's much competition so far.

If a defender intentionally steps off the field to try to place a player offside, he would be cautioned for unsporting behavior. In this case it was not intentional, but he is still considered to be on the touch line or goal line where he left the field of play.

Also, no need for apologies. We both thought we were right.

[NGV]

Netherlands were clearly better in the first half - Italy's defense really struggled with Sneijder and Van der Vaart.

[rizzuto123]

Good job Donadoni! :D

great job indeed, horrible selection in the starting lineup.