SJ vs Chicago player ratings

[Honore de Ballsac]

We should start doing these so I can have more to get in a huff about.

I honestly don't feel qualified to judge last Saturday's performance 'cause I just haven't been able to watch everybody's minutes close enough, but I'll throw some numbers out there to get it started.

Cannon: 5.5 His presence and commitment are huge for us right now.
Riley: 4 - Jury still out
Cochrane: 5 - Showing leadership, dangerous when he gets forward.
Garcia: 5 - Looking better as midfield gels and team steps up work rate.
Hernandez: 5 - Showing some versatility and savvy.
Guerrrero: 5.5 - Ditto, can create combinations or take people on.
Grabavoy: 5.5 - Nice composure, taking responsibility to possess/create.
Corrales: 6 - Good possession and defense, still has heart and legs.
O'Brien: 4 - Too much long ball. Wants to lead but not showing the goods.
Kamara: 3.5 Glimpses, but we need goals. P.S. Play like a man, dammit.
Glinton: 4 Very active, great spirit and work rate, not a goal threat.
SUBS:
Salinas: 5 - Choke knocks him down a peg and a half.
Johnson: 6 - Nice surprise, immediate impact going at defenders
Cunliffe: NR - No factor
YALLOP: 5 - same guys, much improved. But too much route 1 results in a big home loss - shutout by a listless visitor.

[Honore de Ballsac]

1 = a rare atrocity of a performance. In other words, we'd have been better off with one less player.

4 = should do better

5 = an average game - even if he's wearing a Quakes jersey and/or you like his aaaabzzz.

6 = A darn good game. Solid contribution.

10 = an extremely rare performance for the ages in a big-time game. Like Zidane against Brazil in '98, or that Salenko vs Cameroon in '94.

Open to hearing improvements on this criteria - though I hope we avoid the ratings creep that comes with homerism and popularity.

[sko16]

Cochrane was a bit at fault for the goal, so I'd give him a lower rating. In addition, I think Cannon had a great game. He did all he could on that goal, he's not expected to catch that. So maybe a 6 or 6.5 for Cannon for me. I'd give ROB the same grade you did, but only to encourage him to bring up the level of the team. He's almost good enough for us, the problem is that the rest of the team is on a different wavelength. It's almost as if they haven't been training together. Glinton should have known where ROB was going to put an early ball. Both strikers should have trusted Ronnie O to get the ball in, when usually only one of them went towards goal. When both went, one near and one far, that's when we looked really dangerous. If only Glinton had let that one nice ball go through instead of flicking it with the top of his head, Kamara could have scored that. Great ********ing ball.

[Honore de Ballsac]

I actually think I slighted Ramiro. His leadership pulled the midfield together.

If anyone was at fault for the goal I thought it was Kamara. But one midfield turnover that ends up costing the game shows the importance of keeping our focus and good shape - and being lucky.

[QuakeAttack]

We should start doing these so I can have more to get in a huff about.

I honestly don't feel qualified to judge last Saturday's performance 'cause I just haven't been able to watch everybody's minutes close enough, but I'll throw some numbers out there to get it started.

Cannon: 5.5 His presence and commitment are huge for us right now.
Riley: 4 - Jury still out
Cochrane: 5 - Showing leadership, dangerous when he gets forward.
Garcia: 5 - Looking better as midfield gels and team steps up work rate.
Hernandez: 5 - Showing some versatility and savvy.
Guerrrero: 5.5 - Ditto, can create combinations or take people on.
Grabavoy: 5.5 - Nice composure, taking responsibility to possess/create.
Corrales: 6 - Good possession and defense, still has heart and legs.
O'Brien: 4 - Too much long ball. Wants to lead but not showing the goods.
Kamara: 3.5 Glimpses, but we need goals. P.S. Play like a man, dammit.
Glinton: 4 Very active, great spirit and work rate, not a goal threat.
SUBS:
Salinas: 5 - Choke knocks him down a peg and a half.
Johnson: 6 - Nice surprise, immediate impact going at defenders
Cunliffe: NR - No factor
YALLOP: 5 - same guys, much improved. But too much route 1 results in a big home loss - shutout by a listless visitor.

Really can't add much. You did too good of a job! I thought Guerrero was average based upon your ratings. Also, for the amount of money, we are paying him, I would like to see him on the field longer. Kei is a goal post away from a goal on the header. I would give him a 4.

[athletics68]

See I would have given O'Brien a 6 or 7. Of all our players his play most impressed me. He was very good with the ball and created more chances than anyone else IMO.

[SoccerMan94043]

I think Glinton had a nice game last week. I haven't seen enough of him to know what an average game is, but if you're handing out a 5.5 for Grabavoy, he's a 6.

His runs were dangerous and he was well placed most of the time. Watch the game again and compare his play with Karama... it's like night and day.

[sko16]

See I would have given O'Brien a 6 or 7. Of all our players his play most impressed me. He was very good with the ball and created more chances than anyone else IMO.

Wow, 7's pretty high. But I agree that ROB was better than people have said. But that's just our opinions. I personally think that he looks a little off just because the team needs to adjust to him, but only time will tell.

[Childs Play]

We should start doing these so I can have more to get in a huff about.

I honestly don't feel qualified to judge last Saturday's performance 'cause I just haven't been able to watch everybody's minutes close enough, but I'll throw some numbers out there to get it started.

Cannon: 5.5 His presence and commitment are huge for us right now.
Riley: 4 - Jury still out
Cochrane: 5 - Showing leadership, dangerous when he gets forward.
Garcia: 5 - Looking better as midfield gels and team steps up work rate.
Hernandez: 5 - Showing some versatility and savvy.
Guerrrero: 5.5 - Ditto, can create combinations or take people on.
Grabavoy: 5.5 - Nice composure, taking responsibility to possess/create.
Corrales: 6 - Good possession and defense, still has heart and legs.
O'Brien: 4 - Too much long ball. Wants to lead but not showing the goods.
Kamara: 3.5 Glimpses, but we need goals. P.S. Play like a man, dammit.
Glinton: 4 Very active, great spirit and work rate, not a goal threat.
SUBS:
Salinas: 5 - Choke knocks him down a peg and a half.
Johnson: 6 - Nice surprise, immediate impact going at defenders
Cunliffe: NR - No factor
YALLOP: 5 - same guys, much improved. But too much route 1 results in a big home loss - shutout by a listless visitor.

WOW, were you and I watching the same match? You have Kamara as the Only man on the pitch under performing O'Brien. ROB was the MOTM period.

[Honore de Ballsac]

I think Glinton had a nice game last week. I haven't seen enough of him to know what an average game is, but if you're handing out a 5.5 for Grabavoy, he's a 6.

His runs were dangerous and he was well placed most of the time. Watch the game again and compare his play with Karama... it's like night and day.

I may have been a bit generous to Kamara.

Grabavoy did what he's supposed to do, and well I thought.

I suppose you could credit Glinton for getting chances, but at the end of the day he's supposed to score and he made nothing of some good looks.

[tedwar]

First, these things are subjective, and HdB did a good job getting it started. Give some credit where it is due.

Steve Davis in his MLS column on soccernet wrote that Corrales needed to do a better job distributing. Davis is half right, Corrales does need to do a better job, but the players around him need to get open. We all understand it was hot on Saturday, but too often it seemed like there was no one to pass to.

I thought Grabavoy disappeared for a lot of the second half. But compared with the first game, he was significantly better.

As Yallop said, Salinas wasn't the only one to miss a shot.

Tony

[QuakeAttack]

Wow, 7's pretty high. But I agree that ROB was better than people have said. But that's just our opinions. I personally think that he looks a little off just because the team needs to adjust to him, but only time will tell.

I don't rate him as high because several of his crosses were poor, could have been more dangerous pushing forward, needs to work better with his teammates (which will come) and he had one good shot. He did have a much better work rate and his tracking back was very good.

I don't think anyone should have a high rating that didn't have an assist or goal at his position...I thought Corrales and Gababvoy had a larger impact on the game...

[Tony in Quakeland]

I'm not going to reiterate my posts about O'Brien from the other thread. I think he was a story of two halves. He hit too many aimless long balls in the first half, and deserves the 4 rating for that part of the game. In the second half, he got sharper and also moved a little more in the middle of the field. He's probably a 6 to 7 then.

He looked a lot better against the Fire than the Galaxy (as did everyone) and he is going to be a terrific player for us.

[FAS]

I think ROB played a lot better than he's been given credit for. The 4 rating would have been ok for the Scum game but on Saturday he showed some great flair and ability. He got most of his crosses off, unfortunately the forwards did't make the runs on several occasions. He had one "cross" that went over the far touchline in the first half, but I believe that was meant to be a switch where the left sided players didn't make the run, had they been in sync that would have been a very dangerous situation with the Fire defense already commited to the other side. Once the players get to know each other better hopefully they'll execute better.

I'd say the weakest link on Saturday was probably Riley, then Glinton, who doesn't appear to have the touch to settle the ball fast.

I thought Garcia had a good game, I think he's the one who broke up a play when it looked like the Fire were one on one with Cannon. I was all the way down the other end of the field but I think it was him.

I wasn't too impressed with Grabavoy, he didn't make any real blunders but I'd like to see a player in that position who could put balls down the middle of the field to the forwards. Grab didn't contribute enough to the attack.

[Honore de Ballsac]

First, these things are subjective, and HdB did a good job getting it started. Give some credit where it is due.

Thanks! Or better yet, y'all can post your own.

[dred]

Kamara did just fine. He set up a lot of shots for teammates, got off some hard shots himself, and advanced the ball as a target man should.

ROB was better on 2nd viewing than I first thought, but still not responsible for the Quake domination of early parts of the match. That honor goes to Corrales, Grabavoy and the forwards combining with quick touches.

[billward]

I thought Cannon should have caught rather than parried that ball... Onstad would've caught it.

[Honore de Ballsac]

I think the shot beats Onstad - but it would have been nice if Cannon could have knocked it wide of the post. What was once a basic goalkeeping skill seems to be a lost art nowadays.

[sko16]

Okay, first of all, no he shouldn't have caught it. That would be above 99% of the goalkeepers in the world, and Cannon would have mucked that up really badly. It's a shot in the box, Cannon can't be expected to catch it. It would be nice if he parried out of play, but he parried it to the side, which was just what he was supposed to do. What supposed to happen next is:

1) The offensive player gets there first, but he was offside.
2) Ryan Cochrane or James Riley (or was it Hernandez) is actually marking out wide instead of standing around, bunched up, watching the shot.

[Honore de Ballsac]

I sure don't fault Cannon at all, but I think he coulda turned it around the post.

I fault Kamara a little, but think the goal was mostly the result of luck and our being a inexperienced as a team. Credit Chicago for getting a win out of that.