Die Löwen! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08 part 2 [R]

[Projekt4]

Well, it will be interesting to see how this "rest" affects his game (and playing time) with Byaern this season.

Honestly, who was the last young talent, raised by Bayern that actually amounted to something? Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet but no one comes to mind.

I think Kroos would be better off at Bremen, Hamburg, Dortmund or Schalke than at Bayern.

I take it Schweinsteiger crossed your mind but you refused to consider him further;)

For a start, Kroos would be better off in a place where they actually might be willing to field a proper playmaker formation-wise, but what can you do...

[footyfan1]

With the best interests of senior level German football in mind, I wouldn't complain at all. Spain is doing the same with Krkic..

Well, seeing that Kroos hasn't done anything major in club football yet, I still think it's a crock of f#cking bullshit.

By the time Kroos is ready for senior level ball, he'll still be playing with some of these guys.

And I don't care what the hell Spain is doing with Krkic.

I'm talking about full of shit Bayern "We do more for Germany than anyone else" Munich.

The only differences between Kroos and the other players is the hype surrounding him and the club he plays for.

What the f#ck will Germany senior football look like in the future if all these clubs start pulling their kids "so they can concentrate on club football??"

[Floormaster Squeeze]

I have only seen Kroos play once (I think) and that was against 1860 in the DFB Pokal. He did not look very good that day. This is hardly much evidence but it does lead me to suspect some hype.

[Projekt4]

What the f#ck will Germany senior football look like in the future if all these clubs start pulling their kids "so they can concentrate on club football??"

On that matter, Pezzoni from Cologne, Fischer from Stuttgart and Marin (already U21) from Gladbach haven't been called up either (maybe I forgot others), that's basically everyone who is eligible but who has a chance to play a certain role in the Bundesliga next season. Same thing constantly happens with regular Bundesliga players and the U-21, which makes sense. Only normally they have to come up with some injury/fitness bullshit.

[footyfan1]

On that matter, Pezzoni from Cologne, Fischer from Stuttgart and Marin (U-21, next step for Kroos) from Gladbach haven't been called up either (maybe I forgot others), that's basically everyone who is eligible but who has a chance to play a certain role in the Bundesliga next season. Same thing constantly happens with regular Bundesliga players and the U-21, which makes sense. Only normally they have to come up with some injury/fitness bullshit.


Fischer need to be available to play for Stuttgart in the Intertoto Cup while the U-19 tourney is still going on.

And you aren't going to sit there and tell me that Kroos will play the same role for Bayern that Marin will for Gladbach or the 1860 kids will play for their club this season.

No objection to Pezzoni. Should be there too. But again, his club doesn't go around boasting about what they do for German football.

The last time I checked, U-19 is still "German Football" :rolleyes:

[Projekt4]

Fischer need to be available to play for Stuttgart in the Intertoto Cup while the U-19 tourney is still going on.

And you aren't going to sit there and tell me that Kroos will play the same role for Bayern that Marin will for Gladbach or the 1860 kids will play for their club this season.


No way (he's still U18, after all), but if he'd play a comparable role at Bayern he'd be in the senior national team faster than you can say "f#ck";)

Btw, I agree entirely with you that Bayern isn't doing 10% as much for "German football" as they like to say. I'd happily dissolve Bayern and distribute all their prestige, money and whatever equally among the other clubs ;)

[LoewenBoy]

For a start, Kroos would be better off in a place where they actually might be willing to field a proper playmaker formation-wise, but what can you do...
For me, when I say "product of their youth system", I mean someone found, developed and grown by Bayern. Kroos is anything but a FC Bayern "product".

I take it Schweinsteiger crossed your mind but you refused to consider him further;)
Well, he is a good player but the hype does not = his play.:D But yes, I would consider him a Bayern product. Spent 10 years there.

[footyfan1]

No way (he's still U18, after all), but if he'd play a comparable role at Bayern he'd be in the senior national team faster than you can say "f#ck";)

Which is another conversation entirely! LOL!!



Btw, I agree entirely with you that Bayern isn't doing 10% as much for "German football" as they like to say.

That is the thing that made me the angriest.


I'd happily dissolve Bayern and distribute all their prestige, money and whatever equally among the other clubs ;)

I don't know about going that far, but making them play by the same rules the rest of the BL does would be a start.......

[kaback99]

as a Bayern fan i will admit we are the worse palce to go for a young player. we have not really had a great youth player in sometime, lell and ottl are ok but not what i call that great, Schweinsteiger and Lahm are entire differnet story, Lahm we loaned out to Stuttgart and thats how he got better. Schweinsteiger is well even though i like the kid alot is terribly inconsistent.

you guys are right to hate Bayern for saying this crap but to go as far as to dissolve us entirely is wrong.

also as much as i hate my clubs money and our board, i don't think that its our fault we made samrt decisisons where other German clubs have not.

[Projekt4]

When I say (not even half-seriously) I'd dissolve Bayern it's not about hate or such, it's just about healthy competition...think of breaking up Microsoft perhaps;)

Anyway, wrong thread and so on.

[LoewenBoy]

When I say (not even half-seriously) I'd dissolve Bayern it's not about hate or such, it's just about healthy competition...think of breaking up Microsoft perhaps;)

Anyway, wrong thread and so on.
When on the Weiss-Blau thread it is never a wrong topic to discuss anything anti-Bayern.
http://www.mozartbrau.com/scheiss_bayern2.gif

[LoewenBoy]

as a Bayern fan i will admit we are the worse palce to go for a young player. we have not really had a great youth player in sometime
Largely due to focusing their money on the first team always and not on their own youth system. At some point, someone (I can only guess Hoeness since he has been in charge for so long) said, "it is cheaper to buy young talent than to develop it." I don't know that for a fact, but certainly seems to have been their mode of operation for quite a while.

Lell and ottl are ok but not what i call that great, Schweinsteiger and Lahm are entire differnet story, Lahm we loaned out to Stuttgart and thats how he got better. Schweinsteiger is well even though i like the kid alot is terribly inconsistent.
Ottl and Lell are good examples. I rank them as solid BL players who would be Stammspielers elsewhere in the BL.

you guys are right to hate Bayern for saying this crap but to go as far as to dissolve us entirely is wrong.

I agree. Hate is a strong word. Itense loathing (abscheu)...not for all of FC Bayern, but for:

The "new" fans who gravitate to Bayern just because they always win, then rub every's face in it just because they are new fans.
Domination of German football NOT through good play, but through business practices which border on the shady, if not downright illegal.
The special treatment Bayern gets. Even loyal fans cannot deny they get treated differently then do other clubs.
Erdinger Weissbier tasted MUCH better before they sponsored Bayern. Since then it tastes almost as bad as Muenchener HBH Weissbier. What did Hoeness do to that bier?!!!:D:mad:
Why do I LIKE Bayern?

They do a lot for the community and give back alot.
They have helped 1860 in ways in which our own board (under Wildmoser and others) would NEVER have done.
Through their success they keep the German UEFA Coefficient up so we do not lose anymore CL and UEFA places. People may argue this point that a few other teams have done the same, but Bayern is the more consistent in this.
Many 1860 fans hate das Schlachboot (Arroganz Arena), but you have to admit it has been great for Muenchen. I am jsut happy that I live off the U6 cand do not have to tranfer to the U3 anymore at Muenchenerfreiheit....though AFTER the game that certainly had its benefits where I could stop at Route 66 and drink a few Mass Bier.
If they did not exist, I would not have any outlet for my complaining or comedy.:D

[footyfan1]

Largely due to focusing their money on the first team always and not on their own youth system. At some point, someone (I can only guess Hoeness since he has been in charge for so long) said, "it is cheaper to buy young talent than to develop it." I don't know that for a fact, but certainly seems to have been their mode of operation for quite a while.

Yes, that is what they've done for the most part as many of their young talents who never got a chance have gone on to "star" elsewhere. Misimovic and Jarolim come to mind. There are many more.



Ottl and Lell are good examples. I rank them as solid BL players who would be Stammspielers elsewhere in the BL.


I don't know about that. We (BVB) finished barely above the relegation zone last season and neither of them would be a "stammspieler" with us. Maybe at clubs like Bielefeld and Cottbus they would be, but Ottl would have trouble breaking the lineup even at places like Bochum, Bielefeld and Cottbus.



I agree. Hate is a strong word. Itense loathing (abscheu)...not for all of FC Bayern, but for:

The "new" fans who gravitate to Bayern just because they always win, then rub every's face in it just because they are new fans.

Don't forget the ones who are "true fans", but also strut around as if winning the Bundesliga each season is their f#cking birthright.



Domination of German football NOT through good play, but through business practices which border on the shady, if not downright illegal.

Some were downright illegal.

Name another club who was caught red-handed not only breaking a league agreement (TV revenue sharing), but was also proved to have been EXTORTING EXTRA MONEY from the TV carrier (Premiere/Kirch Group) and then threatened to leave the league if it was punished as harshly as it should have been to have the threats actually work!

They should have been fined for every penny they extorted, been docked points and then invited to leave the league and see how far they would have gotten.

But as usual, the DFB bowed before "Der Kaiser........."



The special treatment Bayern gets. Even loyal fans cannot deny they get treated differently then do other clubs.

Name another club whose FA claiming oversight retroactively changed transfer rules in order to protect that club from punishment after it was caught red-handed breaking said transfer rules.....

And yes, even some of their loyal fans here have stopped denying they enjoy preferential treatment.



Erdinger Weissbier tasted MUCH better before they sponsored Bayern. Since then it tastes almost as bad as Muenchener HBH Weissbier. What did Hoeness do to that bier?!!!:D:mad:


You may not want to know...... ;-)



Why do I LIKE Bayern?

They do a lot for the community and give back alot.

Can't deny that. Just not to U-19 German Football I guess.....



They have helped 1860 in ways in which our own board (under Wildmoser and others) would NEVER have done.

Damn. Never thought I'd ever see you admit that.....



Through their success they keep the German UEFA Coefficient up so we do not lose anymore CL and UEFA places. People may argue this point that a few other teams have done the same, but Bayern is the more consistent in this.

There is no argument from me on that matter.



Many 1860 fans hate das Schlachboot (Arroganz Arena), but you have to admit it has been great for Muenchen. I am jsut happy that I live off the U6 cand do not have to tranfer to the U3 anymore at Muenchenerfreiheit....though AFTER the game that certainly had its benefits where I could stop at Route 66 and drink a few Mass Bier.

I miss the Olympiapark as a whole, but watching a match in the Allianz Arena is so much better. It just sucks that there is NOTHING OUT THERE except the stadium!



If they did not exist, I would not have any outlet for my complaining or comedy.:D


You'd just find someone else! LOL!!

[panicfc]

Schalke would be a good target for hate.

[kaback99]

Schalke is just as bad as Bayern but unlike us they can't win :D (i'm sorry i had to its so easy)

[kaback99]

The special treatment Bayern gets. Even loyal fans cannot deny they get treated differently then do other clubs.


i will not deny this. its kind of ridiculous.

Don't forget the ones who are "true fans", but also strut around as if winning the Bundesliga each season is their f#cking birthright.


i don't expect us to win the BL every year. infact i like when theres an actual race for the title. i would honestly rather win a Champiosn League title and gets some respect for the Bundesliga.

[footyfan1]

i don't expect us to win the BL every year. infact i like when theres an actual race for the title. i would honestly rather win a Champiosn League title and gets some respect for the Bundesliga.

I know you don't. You've made that clear before. You're a true Bayern fan I actually respect. But there are so many here in Germany/Bayern who are downright disgusting in their behavior.

And what's surprising is that many of them are "older" fans.......

[panicfc]

Kaback99 is a classy football fan, no matter what team he supports.

:)

[Dead Fingers]

Someone want to create the new TSV thread?

[footyfan1]

Someone want to create the new TSV thread?

I would have before, but didn't think it was my place. But this is also post number 500!! :D