Die Löwen! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08 part 2 [R]

[LoewenBoy]

Are Jungwirth and Baumgartlinger midfielders?

I was looking at the Kader on transfermarkt.de and to me it looks like we are really thin in the midfield corps, even if you count Göktan as a CAM.
Jungwirth is a defender (1,80cm/76kg). Baumgartlinger is a midfielder (1,81cm/80kg). Both over 6ft and ~170+ pounds. Both U19 internationals and likely to get call ups to the U23 sides this year. Jungwirth is German, Buamgartlinger is Austrian.

[Floormaster Squeeze]

1860 are going to TSG Neustrelitz (oberliga side) for the first round of DFB Pokal in about a month.

http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/news/2008/index.php?f=100293.php

[LoewenBoy]

1860 are going to TSG Neustrelitz (oberliga side) for the first round of DFB Pokal in about a month.

http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/news/2008/index.php?f=100293.php
Yeah from one corner of Germany to another.:D Should be an interesting match.

Side note: Goektan is sidelined for a few days with a foot infection. Will not be in the test match this week.

[LoewenBoy]

Adler to MSV...

Seems Nicky Adler was sent to MSV on a "free". Seems Nuernberg are trying to make a run at promotion and the kid did not fit into their plans. Funny how 1860 did not make an attempt to get him back either despite having lost Wolff and needing an outside speedster. Guess he wore out his welcome when he left last year.

[LoewenBoy]

4 Loewen on U19 National Team for EM:

Four 1860 players: Jungwirth, Gebhart and the Benders have been called up to the U19 national team's EM journey. Manuel Schaeffler is on call-up and makes a fifth Loewe to be on the team. The games start this month and pit the Germans against several tops sides. More below (in German)...

http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-09_u19-em.php

[LoewenBoy]

Keith, if I were still there we would SOOOO be doing this for my B-Day....

http://www.tsv1860.de/media/images/2_saison/2008_2009/diverses/Grafik_Galatasaray_622.jpg

For those who have signed up for LoewenTV you will be able to get the game too!!!!:D

[LoewenBoy]

Here is a decent article (http://yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=3926) and a quote from Wolff as to why he left 1860. Love his realistic eval of his time there. Shows he is not stuck on himself or blaming anyone other then himself. Best of luck to him at the Wiz.:D

[footyfan1]

Here is a decent article (http://yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=3926) and a quote from Wolff as to why he left 1860. Love his realistic eval of his time there. Shows he is not stuck on himself or blaming anyone other then himself. Best of luck to him at the Wiz.:D


That is great to see. Very refreshing. It takes a real man to look at himself in the mirror and tell you exactly what he sees publicly.

Much respect to Josh for not pointing any fingers.

[footyfan1]

Keith, if I were still there we would SOOOO be doing this for my B-Day....

http://www.tsv1860.de/media/images/2_saison/2008_2009/diverses/Grafik_Galatasaray_622.jpg




I've already got the girlfriend checking on tickets. They told her to call back at the end of the week. I think trenkwalder is doing something with them for this match.

But I intend to be there and I'll drink to your birthday!!! :D

[footyfan1]

Adler to MSV...

Seems Nicky Adler was sent to MSV on a "free". Seems Nuernberg are trying to make a run at promotion and the kid did not fit into their plans. Funny how 1860 did not make an attempt to get him back either despite having lost Wolff and needing an outside speedster. Guess he wore out his welcome when he left last year.

He had a few good performances for FCN too, but I'm wondering why they didn't see fit to keep him around.

Maybe he didn't get along with TvH......

But he'll have every chance to play at Duisburg. They've lost their best striker from last season (Ishiaku to Koln) and their best young striker (Moelders to Rot-Weiss Essen).


Looking at their current roster, unless they are going to play Ede (formerly of Hertha) as a striker instead of in midfield, Adler should start next to Niculescu.

At least I think Adler is better than former Bayern talent Sandro Wagner......

[LoewenBoy]

»I Could Not Stop It«
Benjamin Lauth once again is playing for the team from his youth 1860 München. The 26 year-old striker speaks about his rapid rise, his learning years in the first division, the return to 1860 München and his goals.

Herr Lauth, can you still hear the word „phlegmatic“?
Phlegmatic, hm – I have read that on the Internet. If one thinks that is only something negative, then it ires you. Phlegmatic has also many positive characteristics. [In that sense] It applies a little to me.

In the positive sense phlegmatic means: properly, reliably, diplomatically. With you the critics referred however to the negative meaning: You are often playing very lackluster [empty], also with too little bite [meaning: heart] and little forethought.
Oh, I have said a thousand times: If things are going well with me I am “loose and supple”. If things are not going well than I am sedate and lax. So is the this business.

For four years you have gained experience in this business far from the homeland, now the ”lost son“ is back. Do you feel as a lost person returning home?
Yes, sure. I was eleven when I had made my first training here. If you have been with a club since you were 9 years-old, then if feels like home. I have experienced my development here. One knows the area. And one knows people.

You have said: „I do not transfer to the 2.BL, I transfer to Sechzig!“
In which league 1860 plays did not play a role in with my decision. I would have gone to no other second division team, but I wanted to come here. I am of the opinion that for the Loewen to play in the 2.BL is a bit unjust. I want to help so that they can once again play where they belong. If one sees the basic conditions here, one knows that to play so many years in the second league is simply unfortunate.

As a young professional at 1860 your career started very fast: A great season at the side of Markus Schroth, a figurehead, national player, goal of the year, Nutella advertisement, nickname: Benny Bomber. Do you believe today that things came too fast?
It was extreme. But young players are powerless. Later [in a career], one would have surely known what to say in an interview…or what to omit. But I did not know as young player how everything works. That came later. And for the club it was a good opportunity to present itself with a talent from its own youth system. Thus no one showed me the way or helped me in that regard.

Did you sometime notice that you were not at all this ”young savage“, this commercial whom the public often drew?
The people from the outside had this other impression of me. It appeared as if I was always looking for the limelight. I am not like that at all, but I could not stop that.

How are you then really?
Open, but quiet. I don’t like being in the foreground.

For journalists you remained nevertheless an attraction. Only recently you were photographed with an expensive sports car, which James Bond drove. Then there was the biting headline: ”Cars like 007, plays but 08/15“.
Sometimes one cannot prevent such things. But one learns to deal with it. If such things are in the world, it is difficult to stop them. I do not waste time trying to at all. I do not have to justify myself.

1860 was relegated. Coach Falko Götz was jealous because with you a star was on the team. The impression was Götz treated you badly, and thus your development stopped.
It did not sit with some, but to me nothing will regenerate the past. With Peter Pacult as coach I got along much better, that is no secret. When I was younger I often did not understand that the Trainer (Götz) did not place himself available for criticism, rather only the players. [that sound you hear is Goetz deleting Benny’s phone number from his mobile]

From Marco Kurz can you expect such coverage now? You are friends with the coach. Could that be the key, thus soon again the old goal-getter Lauth we will see?
It is always good if you know that after one or two bad games you will not fly immediately off the first team. The coach was very important for my decision to come here. We had always privately been in contact. That I know Marco well is no guaranteed for me. I must show something, like everyone.

Let’s again revue your last four years. You were in 2004 in talks with FC Bayern, then went to Hamburg…
I selected which club to go to myself because I had nowhere to go; because another club did not want me. With all decisions I made I had the right feeling. When I went to Hamburg, HSV was still another grey mouse in the midtable but I felt: There is something here - and so it came. Then I went to Stuttgart - and became German champion. And now with Hanover the same: We played the best Bundesliga season in the club’s history. [insert sound of a questions being ducked.]

Everything sounds marvelous. Unfortunately your personal life balance was not all that.
For me it did not work out as I had planned - as I had imagined - as the people expected of me and me of myself. The measuring stick was my time at 1860, which was a highpoint.

You were quasi on the summit of success.
Yes, that was already a burden. With the HSV I had two and a half beautiful years: he had a second and a third finish, we won the UI-Cup and I played well in the team. In Stuttgart we became champions where I participated. And in Hanover I had also over 20 games. If I would have been an average player before, then all this would sound not so bad. But everyone had expected more of me. Therefore it means that I failed.

Do you see it differently?
I am not content how it played out. But „washed up“ is clearly exaggerated.

There was 2007 the Kicker headline: ”The worst BL player of the Hinrunde“.
That was calculated on the basis solely of someone’s performance notes. Something like that is not pretty, but I do not take it seriously.

Why with strikers are there these performance extremes again and again: For weeks on end world class, then puzzlingly weak?
That is the delightfulness of this position. Mario Gomez said with Stuttgart could shoot as he wanted - the ball went in. Now with the EM in the first game against Poland Klose plays the ball over which he would merely have to have played cleanly then Mario would have first EM goal after three minutes -- and the tournament would perhaps have been different. Thus the first opportunity he misses, then the second, all before an empty net and you find yourself in a negative situation. You saw the ball going in before thinking fully through each contact with the ball.

That could mean: A positive key experience - and Benjamin Lauth is once again leading scoered with 1860.
To score is the most important, even if one is only involved in the play. So it is.

At 1860 your return brought euphoria. The managing director spoke with many fans that this is a “signal“ of which many fans dreamt. How can you fulfill such high expectations?
I will say to the young players, in any case, that one can achieve very much through good team spirit. That is something I have learned after my years in professional football which is most important. The best example was Stuttgart: That was a inspired team, also the whole reserve bench jumped up when goals were scored. If you have a super troop, things work. In Hamburg it ran poorly, the team conspired against each other. It is always important to strengthen a cadre but one should never forget their place in the team.

Does the “field energy” fit here at 1860? Or are you missing a few Buddhas?
The first impressions are very good. The older and young players seem to harmonize well. [sounds like the interviewer is having some fun at his expense.]

Does the thought of correcting the 2004 relegation -- together with some colleagues from at that time (Schwarz, Hofmann, Hoffmann, Bierofka, Schroth) -- motivate you?
I see it rather positive: That was at that time a tragedy, and now is my stimulus that I do not want to be for a long time in the second league.

Is the image of a ”Bavarian Boy“ actually correct? Do you - like Daniel Bierofka - need Munich the “feeling of well-being” atmosphere?
I am happy when my friends and family are closer with me. And Munich offers a very high quality of life. Therefore I am naturally more at home here, but I felt very well also in Hamburg. I can live anywhere. [Dallas? MLS? :D]

Quelle: http://www.fussballdaten.de/news/3312/

[footyfan1]

I believe the "missing a few Buddhas" comment was a jab at Klinsmann and FC Bayern.

Klinsmann had Buddha statues lined at part of the training complex earlier.

[LoewenBoy]

I believe the "missing a few Buddhas" comment was a jab at Klinsmann and FC Bayern.

Klinsmann had Buddha statues lined at part of the training complex earlier.
:eek:

[footyfan1]

:eek:


Dude, Klinsmann is pampering the Bayern players when they are not on the training pitch like Cuban pampers the Mavericks...... ;)

[LoewenBoy]

Gebhardt, Sven Bender and Jungwirth all played in the U19 2-1 win against Spain in the EM Finals. Timo assisted on the two German goals. Story here (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-14_u19-em.php) (in German).

[goindownsouth]

Gebhardt, Sven Bender and Jungwirth all played in the U19 2-1 win against Spain in the EM Finals. Timo assisted on the two German goals. Story here (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-14_u19-em.php) (in German).

I saw that. So it is either good for 1860 or good for 1860 [for now] and later good for some teams with money to buy them away. Here's to hoping they can keep them for the foreseeable future. Those three really look to have a solid future.

[LoewenBoy]

I saw that. So it is either good for 1860 or good for 1860 [for now] and later good for some teams with money to buy them away. Here's to hoping they can keep them for the foreseeable future. Those three really look to have a solid future.
They were all recently resigned until 2010 or later. If we make it back up we will get an ROI on that investment. One good thing about having a great youth system that has kept this club afloat. Most other clubs would have crumbled under losing so many key players without money to replacement them.

[footyfan1]

Gebhardt, Sven Bender and Jungwirth all played in the U19 2-1 win against Spain in the EM Finals. Timo assisted on the two German goals. Story here (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-14_u19-em.php) (in German).

You know, as much as Bayern loves to claim that no one does more for German football than they do, I find it "ironic" that this team is full of young 1860 players, while Bayern's young star, Toni Kroos, was allowed to miss it because they want him to "concentrate on Bayern" this season.


What a crock........

[Projekt4]

You know, as much as Bayern loves to claim that no one does more for German football than they do, I find it "ironic" that this team is full of young 1860 players, while Bayern's young star, Toni Kroos, was allowed to miss it because they want him to "concentrate on Bayern" this season.


What a crock........

With the best interests of senior level German football in mind, I wouldn't complain at all. Spain is doing the same with Krkic..

[LoewenBoy]

With the best interests of senior level German football in mind, I wouldn't complain at all. Spain is doing the same with Krkic..
Well, it will be interesting to see how this "rest" affects his game (and playing time) with Byaern this season.

Honestly, who was the last young talent, raised by Bayern that actually amounted to something? Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet but no one comes to mind.

I think Kroos would be better off at Bremen, Hamburg, Dortmund or Schalke than at Bayern.