Die Löwen! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08 part 2 [R]

[LoewenBoy]

If you say so. However, if find it hard to believe that he could have beensuch total crap as to be held on to for 34 games that season. Rarely is the keeper solely to blame. Even Tschauner is not totally to blame for 1860's crap rueckrunde. Also, hadn't VfL just resigned him in 2006 or 2007? Someone there obviously thought him worth something. Again, not saying he was great or that he was mistake-free, but there is more to his story than simply "being crap".

[footyfan1]

If you say so. However, if find it hard to believe that he could have been such total crap as to be held on to for 34 games that season.

They had no one else and Magath wasn't there yet. And again, they weren't about to dump him after giving him that big contract.


Rarely is the keeper solely to blame. Even Tschauner is not totally to blame for 1860's crap rueckrunde. Also, hadn't VfL just resigned him in 2006 or 2007? Someone there obviously thought him worth something. Again, not saying he was great or that he was mistake-free, but there is more to his story than simply "being crap".

Dude, where did I ever say that he was the problem alone? I specifically said in the first message that he was PART of the problem.

But he was a BIG PART of the problem.

I forget when he was re-signed, but guess what?

The guy who re-signed him no longer has a job there either.

Magath came in and cleaned house.

As I said, Jentzsch totally earned the boot he got from Magath.

I don't know what happened to him and whether you choose to believe it or not, it was like this guy woke up one day and forgot everything he'd learned about his craft.

You ever heard of former St. Louis pitcher Rick Ankiel? He's now an outfielder with them. He is a perfect case in point. One day he just couldn't freakin' pitch anymore.

Like it was with Ankiel, with Jentzsch, it was f#cking amazing.

As I said, perhaps he does just need a change of scenery, but he has truly fallen this far and whether you want to believe it or not, that's the f#cking truth.

I have nothing against the guy that would make me want to come here and lie about him.

And I wouldn't want any team I like touching him with a ten-foot pole.

[russ99]

They had no one else and Magath wasn't there yet. And again, they weren't about to dump him after giving him that big contract.




Dude, where did I ever say that he was the problem alone? I specifically said in the first message that he was PART of the problem.

But he was a BIG PART of the problem.

I forget when he was re-signed, but guess what?

The guy who re-signed him no longer has a job there either.

Magath came in and cleaned house.

As I said, Jentzsch totally earned the boot he got from Magath.

I don't know what happened to him and whether you choose to believe it or not, it was like this guy woke up one day and forgot everything he'd learned about his craft.

You ever heard of former St. Louis pitcher Rick Ankiel? He's now an outfielder with them. He is a perfect case in point. One day he just couldn't freakin' pitch anymore.

Like it was with Ankiel, with Jentzsch, it was f#cking amazing.

As I said, perhaps he does just need a change of scenery, but he has truly fallen this far and whether you want to believe it or not, that's the f#cking truth.

I have nothing against the guy that would make me want to come here and lie about him.

And I wouldn't want any team I like touching him with a ten-foot pole.

I'd love the guy to come back, but there certainly seems to be an attitude problem here. Plus, it's really starting to look like there's a "let's use Sechzig for one last shot" mentality among our former players, which does the club and our younger players no favors. Bringing back Schroth last year pretty much doomed our season. I only hope Lauth doesn't do the same...

Unless we can unload Tschauner for bag of used footballs, :p we have no room for another keeper anyway.

This isn't the late 90's and Hofmann and Jentzsch aren't young anymore. While we're at it let's get Max and Suker out of retirement and replace all the first team players with the old-timers exhibition team that plays the Bayern old-timers every year...

I'd take my chances with what we have now before blowing more cash on an aging fading keeper, who's also demanding a starting spot. It won't happen, Reuter's not stupid.

[footyfan1]

I'd love the guy to come back, but there certainly seems to be an attitude problem here. Plus, it's really starting to look like there's a "let's use Sechzig for one last shot" mentality among our former players, which does the club and our younger players no favors. Bringing back Schroth last year pretty much doomed our season. I only hope Lauth doesn't do the same...

I don't see where there's any "let's use Sechzig for one last shot" mentality. Daniel Bierofka can still be a useful player in other places. He just chose to come home. The Benjamin Lauth move just made sense. 1860 wasn't going to find another striker that experienced that cheap. We just have to hope that Lauth coming home will help him find a lost part of himself. Sure, I've never rated him, but he should be able to score goals in the 2. Liga if he can feel at home again. I also don't see where signing Schroth "pretty much doomed the season" either. I think that rash of injuries before and after the winter break is what "pretty much doomed" 1860.

These guys were looking like they were promotion-bound for half a season. I think that alone eliminates any notion that the Schroth signing alone "pretty much doomed" 1860's season.

More specifically, I think having the entire defense and what little striker support you had decimated by injury is what "pretty much doomed 1860."


Unless we can unload Tschauner for bag of used footballs, :p we have no room for another keeper anyway.

Exactly. Bringing Jentzsch back now makes no sense at all.


This isn't the late 90's and Hofmann and Jentzsch aren't young anymore.

I think age is not an issue with either of these guys. Goalkeeper is one position where in my opinion, age doesn't become an issue until possibly the late 30s. I think Jentzsch should be prime age now. However, he lost something there in Wolfsburg. Again, I think a change of scenery could possibly help him, but he was so bad, I wouldn't want any team I like to take a chance on him.

And I think before he got hurt last season Michael Hofmann was definitely the best keeper between he and Tschauner. I think 1860 handed Tschauner the job back hoping he'd "grow into it." However, Tschauner is one of the guys I think won't get better as a keeper as he gets older unless he digs down and learns his craft. He mainly relies on athleticism alone and he couldn't get by with that at Nuernberg. I think he only does so at 1860 because he's cheap. I want to see this kid get better, but I wonder if he is smart enough to do so. You can rely on athleticism as long as your instincts for the game are great too. Tschauner's simply are not. There are times that he looks clueless out there.

As I've said before, he reminds me of another former young FCN keeper everyone thought would be great. Darius Kampa, who is now Unterhaching's #1. Kampa was the same way. Athletically gifted, but dumb as a brick when it came to match situations.

I'm curious about this kid Roessl. Garry built him up so much last season that I'd really like to see him and I may head up to Munich for a few Regionalliga matches this season.

It's been a LONG TIME since I've been to the Gruenwalder Stadion.........



While we're at it let's get Max and Suker out of retirement and replace all the first team players with the old-timers exhibition team that plays the Bayern old-timers every year...

LOL!! :D I'm pretty sure Garry didn't mean it that way.


I'd take my chances with what we have now before blowing more cash on an aging fading keeper, who's also demanding a starting spot. It won't happen, Reuter's not stupid.

I wouldn't call call Jentzsch "aging", but "fading" he definitely is. And I think it shows you something when a guy who has been as HORRIBLE as he has been for most of the past two seasons still tries to "demand" a starting spot.

It tells me he cannot take a realistic look at himself.

He's not in any position to "demand" anything from anyone........ :mad:

[sportfriend]

guys...did i miss something
but it appears that Simon Jentzsch is on his way to Antalyaspor in Turkey

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/news/22030/2008_07_02/news/anzeigen.html

[footyfan1]

guys...did i miss something
but it appears that Simon Jentzsch is on his way to Antalyaspor in Turkey

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/news/22030/2008_07_02/news/anzeigen.html


You did miss something. The article says the deal fell through, not that he's going there.

[panicfc]

I think Jentsch lost his confidence two seasons ago. His team was poor and he followed their lead. They improved, he didn't.

[footyfan1]

I think Jentsch lost his confidence two seasons ago. His team was poor and he followed their lead. They improved, he didn't.

Well man, they didn't "improve" as much as they were shipped out and replaced! LOL!!! :D

[panicfc]

Well man, they didn't "improve" as much as they were shipped out and replaced! LOL!!! :D

Good point.


:)

[sportfriend]

You did miss something. The article says the deal fell through, not that he's going there.

yeah didn't feel like reading the whole thing :p
haha, i have to agree with Jentzsch here
i always thought he was a great goalkeeper but i've noticed the same as everyone else over the last two seasons.

I don't think i've ever seen such a big goalkeeper (in terms of physical size) have such a small presence especially in one on one situations...

[footyfan1]

"Bild" is reporting that Göktan has signed a two-year extension with 1860. Contract now valid through June 2011.


Story Here (http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/telegramm/sport-telegramm,rendertext=5045692.html)

[LoewenBoy]

"Bild" is reporting that Göktan has signed a two-year extension with 1860. Contract now valid through June 2011.


Story Here (http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/telegramm/sport-telegramm,rendertext=5045692.html)
Yup, 1860 confirms here (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-04_berki_2011.php). They also announced a friendly against Galatasary this month @ Arroganzarena.

[goindownsouth]

Hmmm... Good move?

[footyfan1]

Yup, 1860 confirms here (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2008-07-04_berki_2011.php). They also announced a friendly against Galatasary this month @ Arroganzarena.


The friendly is next month. 3 August. Two weeks before the season starts and one week before the first round of the German Cup.

I think I'm going to that match.

Oh, and yes "goindownsouth", extending with Göktan is a great move. He's been the team's most effective offensive player the past season and a half. Almost since the day he signed.

[footyfan1]

1860 - 10 -------- Holledau All-Stars - 0 - In German At Bundesliga.de (http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga2/news/2008/index.php?f=0000100246.php)

[LoewenBoy]

Hmmm... Good move?
I think so. He is a fan favorite and a decent player. He scores at crucial times and is a great fit for our style of play.

[goindownsouth]

Good for today? Good for the short term? Good for the long term? From what I have read he will definitely help score some goals now. The question is... how much does he have left in the tank?

[LoewenBoy]

Good for today? Good for the short term? Good for the long term? From what I have read he will definitely help score some goals now. The question is... how much does he have left in the tank?
He is 27 and a Bayern retread. My guess is he has 3-4 good years left which is what we need. He is intensely motivated to perform for 1860 since we gave him his "second chance". He was cut from just about every team in the BL and without a club, playing pick-up games in the park as recently as 2 years ago. 1860 gave him a shot at the second team and promoted him to the first team last year. He owes 1860 a great debt which he knows and is repaying.

[LoewenBoy]

So, let's discuss the new signings for both the professional team and the IIs. I don't know much about the new II's players that came from outside the 1860 system. If anyone know anything please chime in. Most of the new II's signed were signed to 2009 contracts.....interesting. ;-)

Pro Signings:

Manuel Schäffler (TSV 1860 München II): He has risen through the U19 ranks and has shown well for the IIs last year. Great to see him get signed up. Should be interesting "joker" off the bench.
Mathieu Béda (1.FC Kaiserslautern): No fee signing from FCK. Not much info on him. He had 29 games/year two years ago and just 22 last season. Not sure if he was injured or just fell out of favor.
Markus Krauss (SSV Reutlingen): Another free signing. Gave up 18 goals in 17 games for a team that finished 12th in the table.
Julian Baumgartlinger (TSV 1860 München II): Another U19 player who has risen through the ranks. Watched him play the friendly (http://www.eyep-tv.de/2.-liga--rl/tsv-1860-munchen/) today and he was fun to watch. Seems to be getting starting roles in the friendlies.
Benjamin Lauth (Hannover 96): Free transfer. Recent friendly play seems to indicate he likes his new role. Seems fit and full of energy. Hopefully he can find his old form and really impress. Seems to be a crowd favorite.
Florian Jungwirth (TSV 1860 München II): A third of those having risen through the ranks. Great young player with a ton of potential.

II Signings:

Holger Knartz (FK Pirmasens): Free. Don't know anything about him.
Julian Leist (Stuttgarter Kickers II): Free. Know nada.
Philipp Hosiner (TSV 1860 München U19): Great young kid who has a nose for goal. 16 goals in 22 games. Should be interesting to watch him in the RL.
Sandro Kaiser (TSV 1860 München U19): Another eager kid who can really play. Used as an attacking midfielder like Goektan.
Maximilian Knauer (TSV 1860 München U19): Used as a defensive midfielder. Strong on the ground and in the air.
Sebastian Seibold (ESV Freilassing): Free and know nothing about him.
David Mangalembe (ASV Steinbrunn): Same as above.
Jonas Marz (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim U19): This kid must have some talent which Reuter sees because he was signed from the U19s at SAPheim for our IIs but has played in two of the pros most recent friendlies. I think this kid is a player to watch
Danijel Majdancevic (TSV Milbertshofen): Dunno
Nico Hammann (TSG 1899 Hoffenheim II): Dunno

[russ99]

So, let's discuss the new signings for both the professional team and the IIs.

Are Jungwirth and Baumgartlinger midfielders?

I was looking at the Kader on transfermarkt.de and to me it looks like we are really thin in the midfield corps, even if you count Göktan as a CAM.