Die Löwen! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08 part 2 [R]

[goindownsouth]

More money, more current promotion potential. Not hard to understand.

No, not terribly hard to understand, sure. But still... A shame.

[footyfan1]

No, not terribly hard to understand, sure. But still... A shame.

No big deal. The chances were small that 1860 was going to get him anyhow. Like the players who moved on from 1860 last year, Achenbach is looking for a way into the 1. Liga.

He apparently didn't think 1860 are heading in that direction anytime soon.

We'll hope 1860 proves him wrong.

[goindownsouth]

He apparently didn't think 1860 are heading in that direction anytime soon.

We'll hope 1860 proves him wrong.

Here's to hoping so!

[Floormaster Squeeze]

I guess we will never speak of that game with Paderborn;).

[footyfan1]

I guess we will never speak of that game with Paderborn;).

I didn't plan to. I was f#cking disgusted by it...... :mad:

[russ99]

Somehow I don't think I did.....

You also need to remember that many over here still view MLS as a joke that spits out the odd piece of talent.

They are wrong, but that's still the perception in much of Europe.

Being "The India of Soccer" isn't going to change that. Some successful players at one or two big time clubs will.

Other than McBride, Gooch and to a certain extent, Dempsey, we don't have much to point at besides goalkeepers.

But in some cases, I think we're (MLS) our own worst enemies because of the dilemma of sending players away right when they are ready to make that jump to the next level. Instead of keeping them to try to fill our own stadiums........

Well, I think that's a moot point anyway. It seems to me all the American kids with any real talent come to Europe well before they get drafted by MLS, such as the case with Feilhaber, Zizzo, Onyewu, Spector and even our own Steve Purdy. Freddy Adu doesn't really count because he was underage with MLS, but if we were allowed to play underage in Europe, he probably wouldn't have even been in MLS.

Why take older guys used to an easier grind with MLS, when you can train younger kids fresh in your own system? That's not to say kids in MLS don't work hard, either. Another issue is MLS playing hardball with transfer fees. When we get a steady stream of guys coming over to Europe from MLS and excelling with first division teams, then they can play hardball with fees.

As for the Paderborn match, we still need one more point to assure our 2. Liga status for next year (hopefully earned against Osnabrück) right?

[footyfan1]

As for the Paderborn match, we still need one more point to assure our 2. Liga status for next year (hopefully earned against Osnabrück) right?

As of right now, yes, but it would be better to answer this question after tonight's action is completed.

And the way 1860 looks right now, I wouldn't count on earning another point this season.....

Man, they look like shit. :mad:

[LoewenBoy]

I guess we will never speak of that game with Paderborn;).
There was no game in Paderborn.:cool: My guess if the other team had left the field 1860 would have scored about 15 minutes later.:rolleyes:

[LoewenBoy]

Well, I think that's a moot point anyway. It seems to me all the American kids with any real talent come to Europe well before they get drafted by MLS, such as the case with Feilhaber, Zizzo, Onyewu, Spector and even our own Steve Purdy.
Not always true. I just don't think there are the connections for players to easily make it into Europe. Talk to agents here in the US or even those abroad. Getting contacts, try outs, etc., is just tough for even above average players who could nicely complement any 2BL or RL team just as much as the deluge of eastern Europeans that are there now. The difference is that, due to geography, historical ties, etc., German teams already have scouts in those regions. Perhaps one day they will have a similar set up in the US. I would expect AT LEAST someone would have mechanism for scouting MLS teams.

Perhaps that's my next job: Opening a scouting company for German teams with key insights into the US footy market; giant player database of skills, teams, performance, injuries, etc. All the clubs have to do is ring me, get the report, I arrange the agent contact and take a small fee from both club and agent/player.:cool:

(Note: The above idea is copyrighted by Mozartbrau GmbH. All subsidary ideas are the sole posession of Mozartbrau GmbH and subject to copyright protection under United States and International law):D

[panicfc]

Idea is old. :)

[LoewenBoy]

Idea is old. :)
Yeah, but my world HQ would server Paulaner.

[panicfc]

I assume you will be sending an offer to run this operation for you very shortly.

[footyfan1]

I assume you will be sending an offer to run this operation for you very shortly.

Damn. Pissed him off at the wrong time! LOL!! :D

[footyfan1]

Criticism Surrounding Stefan Reuter Growing - Article In German At Kicker.de (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/198977/)

I won't add much here. I'm severely biased when it comes to Reuter and I still think he's done very well considering 1860's financial situation.

However, I won't be so biased as to say some of this criticism is not justified. I feel some of it is.

I think he was a bit over-optimistic about this team and after the first half of the season, it's easy to understand why.

Maybe he should have called "LoewenBoy." He calls what is going to happen to this team accurately about 90% of the time.

[LoewenBoy]

I assume you will be sending an offer to run this operation for you very shortly.
Man, if I ever quite my day job you are the first person on my hire list.:D We'll have to secure a German-based contact with good diplomatic skills. Since those are hard to find we'll just make Keith an offer.:cool:

[LoewenBoy]

Criticism Surrounding Stefan Reuter Growing - Article In German At Kicker.de (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/198977/).
I am dumb-founded by this article. Will try to translate later for those who cannot do Deutsch. Essentially Kicker calls into question the singings of Pagenburg and Kusuckovic, as well as the contract extensions of Berhalter, Torben and DiSalvo. Wow....talk about hindsight. At the time Reuter did all this 1860 were only a few points off the title hunt and doing just fine. I STILL think all of the actions Reuter took this year, at the time he took them, were the right decisions....except Kusuckovic.

Whenever a team which is on a hot streak loses 5-6 key players from that formation and replaces them with younger talent -- who 18 months ago were playing U19 ball -- there are going to be issues. This is NOT Reuter's fault. We had little money to buy at the winter break. Reuter did the math, knew we only needed a few points to secure from relegation, knew promotion would not happen this year, figured he would save his money for the summer to get better, older players without paying an abloese he would normally have to during a winter transfer.

I think Kicker is way off base here. Reuter is doing what he thinks is best for the club. Its unfortunate that fate has consipred against him, but it is hardly HIS fault.:rolleyes: Shame on Kicker.:mad:

[panicfc]

Man, if I ever quite my day job you are the first person on my hire list.:D We'll have to secure a German-based contact with good diplomatic skills. Since those are hard to find we'll just make Keith an offer.:cool:

Sounds like a plan. When are you quitting?

[russ99]

I am dumb-founded by this article. Will try to translate later for those who cannot do Deutsch. Essentially Kicker calls into question the singings of Pagenburg and Kusuckovic, as well as the contract extensions of Berhalter, Torben and DiSalvo. Wow....talk about hindsight. At the time Reuter did all this 1860 were only a few points off the title hunt and doing just fine. I STILL think all of the actions Reuter took this year, at the time he took them, were the right decisions....except Kusuckovic.

Whenever a team which is on a hot streak loses 5-6 key players from that formation and replaces them with younger talent -- who 18 months ago were playing U19 ball -- there are going to be issues. This is NOT Reuter's fault. We had little money to buy at the winter break. Reuter did the math, knew we only needed a few points to secure from relegation, knew promotion would not happen this year, figured he would save his money for the summer to get better, older players without paying an abloese he would normally have to during a winter transfer.

I think Kicker is way off base here. Reuter is doing what he thinks is best for the club. Its unfortunate that fate has consipred against him, but it is hardly HIS fault.:rolleyes: Shame on Kicker.:mad:

Well, like I said before, if a German football team has an extended bad run like 1860 has in the Rückrunde, heads tend to roll.

Reuter (and Kurz) should be happy it's Kicker raising an only slightly justified stink about it, mentioning shadowy higher echelon sources in the executive board wanting to can Reuter, which may or may not be the case. I'd have expected Ziffzer to shoot his mouth off by now...

As long as we stay up in the 2. Liga, I can't see how the board wouldn't be thrilled at how the club has transformed since Reuter's been here. We're not in the red, we're out of the Allianz debacle, and we've been given the highest rating for developing players. Even a little patience, I'm sure, would pay off moving forward.

I can't really blame Reuter either. My only minor gripes are not having a backup plan for Schroth (other than the streaky (good and bad) combo of DiSalvo and Kucukovic) and also bringing in Pagenburg and not playing him with the big club (or Kurz playing him out of position) when either he or a different signing could have boosted our sagging attack. But none of that done differently would really make up a huge leap in the table.

I won't blame him for not bringing in more reinforcements in at the break, let's face it - 1860 just doesn't have the cash. Just because they're solvent for once doesn't mean the coffers are overflowing. If the board really wants more signings why aren't they ponying up cash out of their own pockets like Reuter did from his personal funds to keep the club afloat?

Also, it's not his fault that Tschauner has been simply awful since the 2nd half of the Bayern match. No amount of offense makes up for a leaky keeper.

[footyfan1]

Also, it's not his fault that Tschauner has been simply awful since the 2nd half of the Bayern match. No amount of offense makes up for a leaky keeper.

Dude, Tschauner isn't that good, but I wouldn't call him "leaky" either.

And the problem isn't a leaky keeper, it's that there is no freakin' offense!

[goindownsouth]

Dude, Tschauner isn't that good, but I wouldn't call him "leaky" either.

And the problem isn't a leaky keeper, it's that there is no freakin' offense!

I will have to concur... The offense has been seemingly invisible for some time now. That will not help a GK, I do not care who it is.