Die Löwen! TSV 1860 München Official Thread 07/08 part 2 [R]

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[goindownsouth]

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[footyfan1]

Good topic. My controlling assumption in all comments, both Reuter and Kurz have said they need experience rather than youth in any new signings. I expect that means they will sign anyone over 26 who has 1) international caps, 2) 1BL experience, 3) solid record, 4) not a head-case or trouble-maker. My thoughts below:

Michael Hofmann: Has a contract until next year. Am certain he will retire then and go into coaching at 1860.
Philipp Tschauner: Contract until 2011 but cannot believe he will last as #1 past next October.
Andreas Rössl: Great young kid but can he handle the 2BL pressure? My guess is they will try to extend him one more year to 2010 (Contract up in 2009) so they have room with him to see how he works as a back-up. Will get solid playing time with the IIs.
Torben Hoffmann: Contract until 2010 but would expect him to play a bench role mostly. Still has much to contribute.
Gregg Berhalter: Contract through 2009 but I think he is done as a starter. Still has a great deal to contribute though. Goes to MLS next spring.
Markus Thorandt: Contract until next summer but my guess he will be given the rope to either hang himself or prove he can play 2.BL ball. My bet is he heads off to new land next year.
Mate Ghvinianidze: Can certainly play but his operation will draw into question his health. Was injured 2-3 times this season. Will he recover? How will he play? His contract is through 2011 so they will play him steadily until then. His long-term fate is in his hands...and God's.
Christoph Burkhard: Another injured youngster. Not sure he will be extended (08 contract). If he is it may only be a year. Plays ok, but we have plenty of "ok" defenders. My bet is he is allowed to leave this summer.
Benjamin Schwarz: Contract up in 2009. If I were Retuer I would be signing this kid. He is the right back of the future and we want to push his stock price up BIG TIME for when he eventually leaves...as they all do.
Julian Baumgartlinger: Austrian U20 international with a contract up in 2009. My guess is we extend with him. Good attacking midfielder.
Alexander Eberlein: Contract up in 2009. Good young talend and U20 German international. Has been injured and on military duty most of the season. I think this kid can really play but needs to stay healthy. My guess is 1860 extend with him and keep him on the pro roster, but get him tons of playing time with the IIs as well.
Lukasz Szukala: Contract is up, was injured much of this season and has seen little playing time. Is another "ok" defender, but where he has speed (Berhalter and Torben did not) he sucks in the air. I think his fate is decided by the transfer market: If there are better, more experienced defenders out there, he goes; if not, he stays one more year.
Daniel Bierofka: Ain't going anywhere with a contract through 2011 unless one of the promoted clubs want to pay for him. Doubt it though given he wants to retire in Muenchen and he just arrived.
Danny Schwarz: Contract through 2009. My guess is he will figure in the new team but whether he is extended like other older players will depend on next season.
Sven Bender: Not going anywhere. New contract through 2011. Will have to play much better for other teams to wnat to pay for him.
Timo Gebhart: Same as Sven. Has the talent but needs to prove it more.
Lars Bender: See brother Sven.
Nicolas Ledgerwood: Nick has a contract through 2009. Got that horrible leg break. He is back, fast, wiley and ready to play. My guess is they extend with him and get him more 1st team time ahead of Gebhart and the Bender Bros. If they don't, watch Fuerth or some other perennial hopeful come calling to pick him up. He is a good player and he will be recruited if we do not attempt to keep him. Would rather have him then Gebhart or either of the Benders honestly.
Björn Ziegenbein: Snake-bit Bjorn. Contract up this summer. He was a favorite of Schachner last season and I honestly thought he was one of the better players in that debacle. When Kurz came in the guy got relegated to the IIs. He is very much like Wolff: has speed and plays outside. Unlike Wolff, he has tenacity, a good shot and tons of hustle. I like the guy but he never got a shot at the first team until last weekend. My guess is that there is some bad blood between him and Kurz. There has got to be a reason you leave a guy like this -- not that he is a superstar or anything, but is equal to Wolff IMHO -- on the II team. My guess he is allowed to leave. When he does we will find out why he did not play at 1860.
Manuel Duhnke: 21 and contract up this year. Always been a solid IIs player. 11 goals in two years with the IIs. Not sure they will keep him...too many other players just like him.
Fabian Johnson: Not going anywhere for two years. Then the bigger clubs will come get him. Not saying he is Bayern material but after the way they played at Zenit maybe he is.:cool:
Antonio di Salvo: I like Toni. I think he will continue to help 1860. He is not going anywhere either.
Berkant Göktan: With a contract up in 2009 and a clear fan favorite, it will be interesting to see what is done here. I have no clue because he says he wants to stay but 1860 has not signed him yet. Jury is out.
Josh Wolff: Contract up this summer. He is cheap and perhaps 1860 extend another year....unless they keep Ziegenbein or find another fast outside midfielder.
Chhunly Pagenburg: New signing until 2010. Will play solidly with the IIs next season and will see some first team time if Gebhart and the Bender Bros don't step up.
José Holebas: Contract through 2009 and form is spotty. Will likely continue to come on for Toni but he will have to prove he can net more than 1 important goal against FCK to get a new contract.
Markus Schroth: 1860 ain't likley to throw good oney after bad. I'll bet that if he is not fully cleared by the Dr. to play this summer he will pull a Cerny and retire. I really WANT to see him come back and execute for 1860 one more season. I also want him to be able to walk after football.
Mustafa Kucukovic: Proof that even Stefan Reuter makes boners. Possibly the stupidest signing of Reuter's career. Like the real ugly chick we all slept with in college, my bet is he goes to bed at night cringing at having signed him. Contract up in 2011. Talk about a 3 year security blanket for someone who's only talent is getting pissed off and drawing yellow cards.
Manuel Schäffler: A product of the Loewen youth system, the kid is 19 and was signed until 2009. First full year in the IIs and he had 7 goals in 19 games. The 1860 leaders are hot on this kid, as are the veteran players. Expect him to get extended soon.


Dude, you know I have to reply.

Hofmann: Does indeed have a contract, but he was on "Heute im Stadion" on Bayern Eins this Saturday and apparently he has an offer to take over as "boss" at Jahn Regensburg. But from the way he sounded, he seemed committed to 1860, but did say he had to consider the offer.

Tschauner: I can't believe they stick with him now. But it is as I said before, as far as they were concerned, the season was over weeks ago. To stir the pot, Lehmann has said he might not be ready to hang them up club football-wise. I can't really see where he would get an 1. Liga starting job right now. And I think he'd probably rather play 2. Liga in Munich than 1. Liga somewhere like Cottbus or Bielefeld.

Rössl: I don't know enough to comment. You will see this comment about a few players.

Torben: I think he'll move back to the wing next season. Especially if Wörns is signed.

Gregg: I think would start in the middle with Wörns if Mate can't go.

Thorandt: I think will definitely be given his chance, but after some more seasoning sitting behind and training with the vets. That would another bonus in bringing Wörns in. He wants to coach one day and will be more eager to teach at 1860 than he is at BVB.

Mate: You said it all Garry.

Burkhard: I don't know enough to comment.

Benny Schwarz: Totally agree. They'd better keep that kid. I've sent his name to Dortmund, but we all know they don't care about anything I send them! LOL!! :D

Julian Baumgartlinger: I don't know enough to comment.

Alexander Eberlein: I love his potential. They'd better keep him around.

Lukasz Szukala: I'd keep him around. Has a world of potential.....

Daniel Bierofka: Nobody's coming for him. He's at 1860 to stay.

Danny Schwarz: This guy inspires zero confidence in me. He'll probably stay around because he's been a "good soldier", but if this guy is starting and captain, I have a hard time seeing them win promotion anytime soon.

The Benders and Gebhardt: Totally agree with you.

Nik Ledgerwood: Totally agree with you.

Björn Ziegenbein: Agree with what you said about him, disagree with what you said about Josh Wolff when talking about Ziegenbein. The only things Wolff has going for him is his tenacity, hustle and ok, fairly decent shot. Josh's problem is that he has the tools, but he's ineffective.

Manuel Duhnke: I don't know enough to comment.

Fabian Johnson: I disagree. Unless he shows marked improvement over the next two years, I don't see the big clubs coming for him. But we've had this discussion before. I am in no way saying Fabian sucks, but he has lots of improving to do before he can help one of the "big clubs."

Antonio di Salvo: You're right. He isn't going anywhere. Because nobody better than 1860 wants his sorry ass. I think you said it. You LIKE him. I think because of that, you don't try to see his shortcomings. And they are significant. Another guy who if he remains a starter, I don't see 1860 getting promoted anytime soon. He played over his head in the first half of the season as did most of the team. Now you're seeing the Toni di Salvo I'm used to seeing. Nothing personal against him, I just don't think he's that good of a player anymore.


Berkant Göktan: Another one who isn't going anywhere because no one better than 1860 wants him. He's good and he's home. I think he realizes how good he has it at '60 and won't look to leave.


Josh Wolff: His price might be what keeps him in Munich. Other than his being cheap, I see no reason to keep him.


Chhunly Pagenburg: Dude, the chances are good that he won't be with 1860 next season. FCN will need a near miracle to save themselves and they have the option of buying Pagenburg back at a set price if they are relegated. FCN will probably do that as they will more than likely lose Ivan Saenko.


José Holebas: Clearly not ready yet, but I'd try working him in next season. Sorry, if it comes down to him and di Salvo, I say go with the kid who has the upside, not the guy on the downslope of his career.


Markus Schroth: I love the guy. Hope he can come back. But agree with you, if he isn't cleared over the summer, move on.

Mustafa KuSUCKovic: I can't put this one on Reuter's shoulders. You guys needed a warm body and one was found with some potential. Couldn't help the fact that he's a dummy. Dude, 1860 had no money. What do you think you get for 70,000 Euros?? Not 700,000. 70,000. I think you're being unfair to Herr Reuter here.

Manuel Schäffler: I don't know enough to comment.

[russ99]

Great analysis guys.

I agree with most of it, I just wish someone would swoop down and offer Reuter any amount of cash for DiSalvo.

I'm also not sold on Hofmann as a starting keeper anymore, and I hope Reuter can find someone experienced to take over from the awful Tschauner. After we get another decent keeper (Lehmann would be super-sweet, but would he take that drastic a wage cut?), then striker and center back should be the transfer/signing priorities.

Two things to add:

1. MLS now has the same transfer windows as the rest of the world. So if Berhalter, Wolff or Purdy go back home to play in MLS (unless they were out of contract earlier) they'd only leave 1860 during the Summer transfer period or the next window in January.

2. Every year some 1. BL club poaches a good young player (or two) from 1860. Who are our candidates this offseason? Göktan? The Bender twins?

[LoewenBoy]

Dude, you know I have to reply.
You express an opinion?:cool:


Hofmann: Does indeed have a contract, but he was on "Heute im Stadion" on Bayern Eins this Saturday and apparently he has an offer to take over as "boss" at Jahn Regensburg.
No license I thought?

Fabian Johnson: I disagree. Unless he shows marked improvement over the next two years, I don't see the big clubs coming for him. But we've had this discussion before. I am in no way saying Fabian sucks, but he has lots of improving to do before he can help one of the "big clubs."
You racist. Your just don't like him because he's black.:cool::D Seriously, I was not implying that a big club like Bayern, Werder or Schalke would come for him. I used big relatively to 1860's position in the 2.BL. "Big" would be any of the teams from platz 12.-6. in the BL.


Chhunly Pagenburg: Dude, the chances are good that he won't be with 1860 next season. FCN will need a near miracle to save themselves and they have the option of buying Pagenburg back at a set price if they are relegated.
Forgot that. But we get an abloese for him.

Mustafa KuSUCKovic: I can't put this one on Reuter's shoulders. You guys needed a warm body and one was found with some potential. Couldn't help the fact that he's a dummy. Dude, 1860 had no money. What do you think you get for 70,000 Euros?? Not 700,000. 70,000. I think you're being unfair to Herr Reuter here.
Hence my comment about ugly chicks...we all need "just a warm body" at some point. But geesh!!!! Certainly someone better than Lerch could be found. Must have naked pictures of Kurz for sale to be kept on the roster.

[LoewenBoy]

2. Every year some 1. BL club poaches a good young player (or two) from 1860. Who are our candidates this offseason? Göktan? The Bender twins?
Take the Benders....we get an abloese now.:D

[footyfan1]

Great analysis guys.

I agree with most of it, I just wish someone would swoop down and offer Reuter any amount of cash for DiSalvo.

I think the only ones stupid enough would be Dortmund and they aren't buying strikers this summer......

I'm also not sold on Hofmann as a starting keeper anymore, and I hope Reuter can find someone experienced to take over from the awful Tschauner. After we get another decent keeper, striker and center back should then be the transfer/signing priorities.

Well, its not like 1860 can be serious choosers and sign anyone they want. They didn't get "rich" overnight man.


Two things to add:

1. MLS now has the same transfer windows as the rest of the world. So if Berhalter, Wolff or Purdy go back home to play in MLS (unless they were out of contract earlier) they'd only leave 1860 during the Summer transfer period or the next window in January.

No comment.


2. Every year some 1. BL club poaches a good young player (or two) from 1860. Who are our candidates this offseason? Göktan? The Bender twins?

IMO, Benny Schwarz and maybe Ziegenbein. Nobody at the higher level will want Göktan or the Bender twins. Göktan isn't consistent and the Bender twins aren't ready.

1860 had a nice "class" after last season, but all of the BL-ready talent is gone in my opinion.

[russ99]

Certainly someone better than Lerch could be found.

We really need to acquire some strikers who are not easily identifiable with members of the Addams Family. :D

[russ99]

I think the only ones stupid enough would be Dortmund and they aren't buying strikers this summer......

Maybe Hansa wants him back? :p



Well, its not like 1860 can be serious choosers and sign anyone they want. They didn't get "rich" overnight man.

IMO, Benny Schwarz and maybe Ziegenbein. Nobody at the higher level will want Göktan or the Bender twins. Göktan isn't consistent and the Bender twins aren't ready.

1860 had a nice "class" after last season, but all of the BL-ready talent is gone in my opinion.

Good points. Maybe I was hoping for an inflated price on one of them to increase our transfer budget this offseason.

[footyfan1]

No license I thought?

I haven't checked into the situation, but Hofmann said Regensburg's financial situation would weigh heavily on his decision.



You racist. Your just don't like him because he's black.:cool::D Seriously, I was not implying that a big club like Bayern, Werder or Schalke would come for him. I used big relatively to 1860's position in the 2.BL. "Big" would be any of the teams from platz 12.-6. in the BL.

They won't come for Johnson either. I think you might be putting way too much stock in the U-20 international thing. Big clubs don't go after every U-20 player.

I'll give you an example. Dortmund's Sebastian Tyrala. U-17, U-19 and U-20 international. People are not coming after him not because he plays for Dortmund II, but because they don't see him as a long-term Bundesliga prospect. You're talking Leverkusen through Hertha. Most of them have backups on the bench better than Fabian. He has lots of work to do. Sure, he's good for the 1860 in the 2. Liga playing the limited time he does, but unless he gets a lot better, he'll never see the 1. Liga.

And there is no guarantee that he'll get "a lot better." How many guys are "great" playing U-17 through U-21 international and never do anything in the Bundesliga?

More than you might think......

I'm not saying Fabian is not going to make it. He has the potential, he just has to work hard at it. What I am saying is it is not a sure thing and no clubs are going to "come for him" unless he makes significant progress from where he is now.




Forgot that. But we get an abloese for him.

Won't be a big one.



Hence my comment about ugly chicks...we all need "just a warm body" at some point. But geesh!!!! Certainly someone better than Lerch could be found. Must have naked pictures of Kurz for sale to be kept on the roster.

Dude, for 70,000 Euros, you weren't getting better than Ku-SUCK-ovic. There isn't that much "football savvy" in the damned world!

Getting a striker from HSV for that much is OK in my book. You take that kind of chance.

Even "poor" clubs in the top three levels aren't so "poor" that they have sell a "live player" for 70,000 Euros.

That's nearly as bad as Dortmund fans who thought we were going to get 20 Bundesliga goals out of Delron Buckley when the man cost 425,000 Euros for a reason....... ;)

[LoewenBoy]

That's nearly as bad as Dortmund fans who thought we were going to get 20 Bundesliga goals out of Delron Buckley when the man cost 425,000 Euros for a reason....... ;)
Well that is the difference between me and some Dortmund fans. I would not expect to get 20 goals from a guy whose highest season tally EVER was 15 and his second highest total ever was 7...in the 2.BL!! That's just misplaced expectations. Same as with Diego.

As for me, I expect no more than 3-5 goals/season from Kusuckovic. From di Salvo about the same....though I think Toni has more presence and potential than Mustafa.

However, I would not have wasted 70k on this guy. I would have spent 70k toward something else and promoted one of my younger players. Hate to say it, but there are guys in MLS I would try before Suckovic. Kenny Cooper for one. Shit, for 70 Euros you could get Cooper easy.

[footyfan1]

Well that is the difference between me and some Dortmund fans. I would not expect to get 20 goals from a guy whose highest season tally EVER was 15 and his second highest total ever was 7...in the 2.BL!! That's just misplaced expectations. Same as with Diego.

As for me, I expect no more than 3-5 goals/season from Kusuckovic. From di Salvo about the same....though I think Toni has more presence and potential than Mustafa.

di Salvo had more "potential" than Mustafa about six years ago man. di Salvo is 28 and has already wasted his prime in Rostock.

I think di Salvo is already as good as he's going to get and that isn't very good. If a good teacher can get hold of Ku-SUCK-ovic, he can still be molded into a decent player. He has many of the tools required, but don't know if he has the mentality.

However, I would not have wasted 70k on this guy. I would have spent 70k toward something else and promoted one of my younger players. Hate to say it, but there are guys in MLS I would try before Suckovic. Kenny Cooper for one. Shit, for 70 Euros you could get Cooper easy.


Yeah. Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?? :rolleyes:

1860 got their cheap striker from MLS. Josh. And he hasn't been that much better than Ku-SUCK-ovic.

If you're Reuter and you're thinking you can get a cheap striker from HSV or someone from MLS, you're really trying to say you go the MLS route?

If you are, let be be the first to say, BULL-SHIT!

[LoewenBoy]

Yeah. Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?? :rolleyes:
No hind sight here. HAd said all along we did not need him.

1860 got their cheap striker from MLS. Josh. And he hasn't been that much better than Ku-SUCK-ovic.
Dude, if you think Wolff is a cheap striker at his price you are mistaken. He was FAR more expensive than I would have pad for him. Cooper is a totally different class of player. Think McBride when we was with the Crew BEFORE he got his national team call ups. Cooper is good enough, just needs a break and team to support him. Ask Eddie.

If you're Reuter and you're thinking you can get a cheap striker from HSV or someone from MLS, you're really trying to say you go the MLS route? If you are, let be be the first to say, BULL-SHIT!
No, of course not. But, I am not saying turn a blind eye to it either. Clearly few teams have any insight into the MLS unless the MLS players come knocking themselves. Sad, but true. I would think somone as innovative as Reuter would know a bit about ALL the markets out there and not simply sign an unproven striker from HSV. We did NOT need a striker THAT bad. Would have rather given other kids in the system a leg up then bring Suckovic on.

[LoewenBoy]

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[footyfan1]

No hind sight here. HAd said all along we did not need him.

I must not have read your messages then. I only remember optimism here when 1860 got Ku-SUCK-ovic.

But then again, you and 1860 optimism? Yeah, you must have said they didn't need him. LOL!! :D


Dude, if you think Wolff is a cheap striker at his price you are mistaken. He was FAR more expensive than I would have pad for him. Cooper is a totally different class of player. Think McBride when we was with the Crew BEFORE he got his national team call ups. Cooper is good enough, just needs a break and team to support him. Ask Eddie.

Dude, if 1860 could afford the guy it was cheap. I'm thinking by MLS/Bundesliga standards. And I don't need Eddie to tell me shit about anything. About the Josh transfer or Cooper.

If Cooper is that good, I take it he's one of the guys MLS doesn't want to sell so their stadiums don't empty.

I'll believe it when I see it. And you're not going to tell me 1860 could have realistically gotten Cooper.

Why? Because if he were that good and 1860 could somehow have gotten the transfer done and even afforded him, he'd be somewhere in Europe already.

The fact that the guy is still in MLS tells me he either:

a) Isn't/Wasn't available and therefore isn't relevant to the conversation anyhow.

or

b) Isn't as good as you're making him out to be.

I'm thinking the answer is "A."



No, of course not. But, I am not saying turn a blind eye to it either. Clearly few teams have any insight into the MLS unless the MLS players come knocking themselves. Sad, but true. I would think somone as innovative as Reuter would know a bit about ALL the markets out there and not simply sign an unproven striker from HSV. We did NOT need a striker THAT bad. Would have rather given other kids in the system a leg up then bring Suckovic on.

Garry. Not one year ago, you sat here and accused Reuter of lacking "football savvy" in his dealings and now you want to call him "innovative?" :confused:

I love Stefan Reuter, but I don't think he's doing anything "innovative." He has just made good, responsible moves that have made good sense. They have done very well by doing the best they can while staying within themselves. What's "innovative" about that?? It's just common sense.

Perhaps it seems "innovative" to you because you guys dealt with the Wildmoesers for so long! I know I'd probably feel that way if someone started making sensible moves in Dortmund! LOL!! :D

[LoewenBoy]

You should not reply late at night as you miss the points more easily.

(re/ Cooper)The fact that the guy is still in MLS tells me he either:

a) Isn't/Wasn't available and therefore isn't relevant to the conversation anyhow.

or

b) Isn't as good as you're making him out to be.

I'm thinking the answer is "A."
Or perhaps he had personal family issues which prevented him from leaving at the time? But yeah, you're right, the world fits perfectly into the little box you deinfed. It's always that cut and dry, right?:rolleyes: If someone isn't playing in Europe it cannot possibly be for any other reason than the ones you articulated. Pullleeeze. Not every US player not playing in Europe but has the potential to is some simpleton pu$$y like Landycakes. There ARE others who may not have the contacts, visibility, exposure or timing to go.


Garry. Not one year ago, you sat here and accused Reuter of lacking "football savvy" in his dealings and now you want to call him "innovative?" :confused:
First, read my quote. Second, did not say he did not have football savvy. I said he was not protecting all the players I would have expected him to. I stand by it. If we had Baier and Schaefer we would have been a ton better off than this year.


I love Stefan Reuter, but I don't think he's doing anything "innovative." He has just made good, responsible moves that have made good sense. They have done very well by doing the best they can while staying within themselves.

Read my post....I was saying he should be doing something innovative like scouting MLS - the world's cheapest talent pool - for good soccer bargains. We're the India of soccer: cheap, trained labor willing to do anything for $$$.

[footyfan1]

You should not reply late at night as you miss the points more easily.

Somehow I don't think I did.....


Or perhaps he had personal family issues which prevented him from leaving at the time? But yeah, you're right, the world fits perfectly into the little box you deinfed. It's always that cut and dry, right?:rolleyes: If someone isn't playing in Europe it cannot possibly be for any other reason than the ones you articulated. Pullleeeze. Not every US player not playing in Europe but has the potential to is some simpleton pu$$y like Landycakes. There ARE others who may not have the contacts, visibility, exposure or timing to go.

Mr. Sensitive here. Who the brought up anything about punk ass Donovan? A Donovan situation never entered my mind.

You think I don't know every player isn't a Donovan?? I don't think ANY of our players has been a "Donovan" besides Donovan!


Who the hell do you think you're talking to like that?

Hello??

I am the guy who hung out with Tony Sanneh when he played in Nuernberg and stuck up for him here when FCN f#cked him the way they did. Interviewed and still follow Cherundolo. Tried to go after Vogts through friends in the press any way I could figure out how to because he banished Frankie Hejduk from the lineup in Leverkusen simply because he's American and when people said Hejduk got to play because Daum was on drugs.

I also nearly physically went after YOUR BOY Werner Lorant when he so boldly stated that "Americans Can't Play This Game" and am still sending e-mails to my favorite club IMPLORING them to make moves for Gooch and Michael Bradley!!

Who the hell do you think you're talking to like that? We may misunderstand and disagree, but please don't talk to me like I'm some idiot stupid enough to try to label OUR PLAYERS as Donovans!

I don't know where this apparent MLS sensitivity has come from, but don't take it out on me.


My Cooper points were pretty simple. You've got that right.

If that kid is that good, he'd be on someone's radar a la Altidore. MLS has enough exposure these days that the top players get spotted rather quickly.

And if he is that good, what makes you think that when people do go after him, someone won't put him out of 1860's price range??

Yes. Some things are that simple.


First, read my quote. Second, did not say he did not have football savvy. I said he was not protecting all the players I would have expected him to. I stand by it. If we had Baier and Schaefer we would have been a ton better off than this year.

As I recall, in that argument you claimed he lacked "football savvy" not only for not figuring out a way to keep those players around despite the lack of money, but in how to bring in better new ones. It seemed to be frustration at the entire situation, but you said it. My memory isn't that bad.


Read my post....I was saying he should be doing something innovative like scouting MLS - the world's cheapest talent pool - for good soccer bargains. We're the India of soccer: cheap, trained labor willing to do anything for $$$.


This is exactly what you wrote:

No, of course not. But, I am not saying turn a blind eye to it either. Clearly few teams have any insight into the MLS unless the MLS players come knocking themselves. Sad, but true. I would think somone as innovative as Reuter would know a bit about ALL the markets out there and not simply sign an unproven striker from HSV. We did NOT need a striker THAT bad. Would have rather given other kids in the system a leg up then bring Suckovic on.


That's not calling Reuter "innovative?" I'm sorry. I've only been back here a bit over two years. I don't think I lost my understanding of English just yet.

You might have meant to convey he should be doing something "innovative" like scouting MLS, but that isn't what you said. I replied to what you wrote, not what you "meant."

You also need to remember that many over here still view MLS as a joke that spits out the odd piece of talent.

They are wrong, but that's still the perception in much of Europe.

Being "The India of Soccer" isn't going to change that. Some successful players at one or two big time clubs will.

Other than McBride, Gooch and to a certain extent, Dempsey, we don't have much to point at besides goalkeepers.

But in some cases, I think we're (MLS) our own worst enemies because of the dilemma of sending players away right when they are ready to make that jump to the next level. Instead of keeping them to try to fill our own stadiums........

As far as 1860 not bringing up one of the younger strikers, did you ever think they want the amateurs to make a run at the 3rd Bundesliga badly enough that they thought spending 70,000 Euros on Ku-SUCK-ovic would be better for them in the long run than taking a good player away from the amateur team??

I don't know if you thought of that. You probably did. Whether you did or didn't, I think risking 70,000 Euros is worth that. No way they could have known the injuries would get so bad that they'd have to call up many of those players anyhow.

And what striker from MLS would they have gotten who is better than Ku-SUCK-ovic for the same amount of money??

[LoewenBoy]

we lose another potential player....

Aachen verpflichtet Fürths Timo Achenbach für drei JahreDer Fußball-Zweitligist Alemannia Aachen hat Timo Achenbach vom Liga-Konkurrenten SpVgg Greuther Fürth verpflichtet. Das gab Aachens Sportdirektor Jörg Schmadtke am Mittwoch bekannt und bestätigte damit Informationen der «Aachener Zeitung/Aachener Nachrichten».

[goindownsouth]

To Aachen, no less???

[footyfan1]

To Aachen, no less???


More money, more current promotion potential. Not hard to understand.