Violence at River ... Estan Todos Locos, Pero Por el Poder y La Guita ...

[vipnerd]

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This is ridiculous. Criminals hiding behind a jersey. When will the authorities take this issue seriously and jail all these thugs? And this is not a River only problem, yet the level of insanity makes them take it to the stands now, in front of all sort of cameras. The problems at River are running deep, with the dirigentes still giving the barras the priviledges that makes running the LBDT a "treasure" to die for. But what will die is el futbol if this is not stopped drastically and from its roots.

Scary ... and sad.



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[NYC_COSMOS]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2008/03/31/portada.jpg


This is ridiculous. Criminals hiding behind a jersey. When will the authorities take this issue seriously and jail all these thugs? And this is not a River only problem, yet the level of insanity makes them take it to the stands now, in front of all sort of cameras. The problems at River are running deep, with the dirigentes still giving the barras the priviledges that makes running the LBDT a "treasure" to die for. But what will die is el futbol if this is not stopped drastically and from its roots.

Scary ... and sad.



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The problem at River is called AGUILAR. This man foments this kind of environment. He wants this because this separation keeps him in POWER. Once river gets rid of him River will return to its greatness, in the meantime everyone must come together and oppose him.

Also as Argentines we must hope that this man doesnt make it to the AFA. HE CAN NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT OF AFA. If he is elected then, it is the effective end of Argentine Futbol.

[Andrés_]

This has to be said, Racing for 1/10 of that got their stadium suspended, had to play at closed doors and even were about to get points deduction. I'm afraid but i don't see anyone talking about any sanction towards River after this.:mad:

Also good to see, as usual, that the police just stays there watching, also if people had knives it means that their controls failed, if there was any.:mad:

And of course, Castrilli will just shield with the excuse that the dirigencias are also resposinble, may be the case of River or not, but in many cases they have to settle with these criminals because they don't get any protection.:mad:

[bosterosoy]

I want to aplaud the true hinchas of River that throughout the fight were singing
'oooooh que se vayan todos, que no quede ni uno solo'

[elbp]

But what will die is el futbol if this is not stopped drastically and from its roots.


Herein lies the problem. The roots are rotten. Nothing good can come out of such roots. It's not only the club chiefs that are involved, some of the barras are also political punters, others are hired to beef up the party rallies and demonstrations, and there are those that even organize the "barrabrava experience tours". It's really sick when you think about it. But it's also about the illegal money that there is up for grabs. I know it is a commonplace to state that it's very difficult to erradicate. But it's the truth.

In addition to all that, there is the radicalization and extremization of football loyalties. I can't think of many places apart from Argentina where phrases like "We are gonna kill you scums" or "Vas a correeer, vas a correeer" in the context of football are actually meant. Honestly, I am fed up with all this. It's just not fair that you cannot go to the stadium without feeling that it may be your last time. And it's not an exaggeration. Ask the poor fan from Tigre that got killed by Chicago supporters last year or the lad from Velez last month.

[locoxriver]

Let's not forget:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/justiciaxgonzalo.gif

Same goes for Emanuel Alvarez, and all the other innocent fans that were killed in the past. Unfortunately, those who commit the crimes will probably never be found, but instead will lay back and enjoy the rest of their lives.

[BigSoccer Bot]

El presidente de River, a diferencia de los hechos que protagonizaron los barras en febrero de 2007, cuando comentó que "no eran paracaídistas polacos", y que los conocía, ahora comentó todo lo contrario sobre los incidentes del último domingo, en la popular de Vélez.

More... (http://www.supergol.com/2008/04/01/6506.php)

[Andrés_]

Well it seems there could be a sanction for River, this sanction would only apply for Buenos Aires. It's the following, for 4 matches River's supporters wouldn't attend to their matches, if the match is at home then it'd be at closed doors, if the match is at away then only the home team supporting will be allowed to attend, as i said before this would only apply for Buenos Aires, which means that next match against Lanús, River supporters would be able to go to the stadium. However other than that they didn't made it clear if this would apply for Libertadores matches, if this is only for Apertura matches, then prepare for trouble, because the 3rd of these 4 matches is none other than the Superclasico at la bombonera. I didn't check if it'd include the Superclasico, if it was applied to the Libertadores too.

[bosterosoy]

sadly the only thing that suspension does it harm the true fans that go every week to see the team and are true futbol fans

[argentine soccer fan]

Ah, I miss the good old days when we used to fight only with our fists, and when if the blood flowed it was mostly from the nose!

[CARP(El Mas Grande)]

This is not a soccer problem, nor a 'River' problem. It is a societal problem that permeates in Argentina as a whole. Even today, you can read in La Nacion that the Argentine president Kristina Kirchner hires thugs to rally for her and fight in the streets in buenos aires!!

I don't understand how the clubs in Argentina operate. Who are 'socios'? Who can become a 'socio'? Who has the power in a club? The president, los hinchas? The barra brava? I'm from the U.S. and most of the professional sports teams are privately owned. There are a few exceptions like the Green Bay Packers.

But I would love for someone to explain how the clubs' infrastructure works in Argentina.

[bosterosoy]

a socio is an associate, similar to season ticket holders
they pay monthly/yearly fees and they get tickets for free and vote for the president etc etc. anybody can become a socio as long as you can afford the fees

the barra brava are thugs/gangs that follow the team. they get paid by the dirigentes of the clubs to support the team. sometimes to avoid giving them money straightout, they give them extra tickets which they then get to scalp. they usually have a lot of dirt on the dirigentes as well and a lot of muscle as you can imagine.

Hinchas are the fans in general.the people who go to watch and support the team.

[Andrés_]

This is not a soccer problem, nor a 'River' problem. It is a societal problem that permeates in Argentina as a whole. Even today, you can read in La Nacion that the Argentine president Kristina Kirchner hires thugs to rally for her and fight in the streets in buenos aires!!

I don't understand how the clubs in Argentina operate. Who are 'socios'? Who can become a 'socio'? Who has the power in a club? The president, los hinchas? The barra brava? I'm from the U.S. and most of the professional sports teams are privately owned. There are a few exceptions like the Green Bay Packers.

But I would love for someone to explain how the clubs' infrastructure works in Argentina.

Well the Kirchner-D'Elia thing while it was not proven but highly likely, they just did that to clean up "Plaza de Mayo" the other day, but that's a more complicated issue that would require its own thread.

Anyway, regarding the socios(members) basically anyone can be a club member, you just have to pay a monthly fee, fee differs from club to club, i know is that Independiente's fee is 28 pesos, San Lorenzo is something among the lines of 25, i think, and then Tigre is 18, being member you get benefits like discounts on tickets and season tickets(something of 40% discount), but also you can get free access to the main stands, depending the club you can get to do different activities be able to make use of clubs sports stuff of course this differs from club to club, the other day i heard Olimpo's monthly fee is like 20 pesos and you get free access to their olympic pool. Of course in the majority of the clubs fees may varie depending of the age group, now if you are over 60(also varies depending the club), and you have been member for over 30 years you become "vitalicio" which means you don't have to pay anymore, also vitalicios and retired people get even more discounts for tickets and such. Now club members above 18, are allowed to vote for their president and other club staff(periods go between 3 and 5 years). There are cases though like Racing who went under administration where temporally club members lost those rights. I believe in the rest of the world clubs kind of work like that that's why billonaire take overs have such strong opposition.

I hope this helped to clear up your doubts.

[BigSoccer Bot]

River Plate recibió la prohibición de contar con público propio durante los próximos dos partidos que jugará de local en el torneo Clausura, ya que la tribuna popular será clausurada tras los incidentes que protagonizaron barrabravas "millonarios" en Vélez.

More... (http://www.supergol.com.ar/2008/04/08/6658.php)