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Dr Jay
24 Mar 2008, 08:22 AM
Having had a chance to watch the U23's play 5 competitive games, I thought it might be a good time to stimulate some discussion and to make a few broad BS-like generalizations on how the U23 players might change the call-ups, formation and tactics for upcoming qualification. Lets start with strikers - still our squads biggest problem.

First broad generalization: Freddy Adu is an impact player and should start to see significant senior team minutes. Aside from his ability to beat people 1 v 1 and his terrific vision, he is a finisher. Possibly even of greater significance is that he appears to be the most dangerous free kick specialist we have seen since Mathis.

Freddy downsides....he can't play defense. Though he put in some effort to win some balls, he really was ineffective. OK, you say...he wasn't asked to be a ball winner. Fair enough, but here is where it gets a little complicated. Where do you play Freddy if you are going to play Landon as well ? And since McBride retired from USMNT play, who is going to play forward with Freddy ?

"Altidore, of course" comes the shout from the BS masses !

Yeah, well maybe. But he didn't look like he was ready against CONCACAF U-23's. How is he going to do against the seniors ? I think the kid has all the tools to be our first world class striker but he isn't there yet. His biggest problem is off-the-ball. He does not anticipate the play well, starts his runs late, and seems confused on how and where to pressure the opponents when they have possession. Also, it seems to take him a good 30 mins to get into a game. In some games, his whole first half was useless.

Its really tempting to make Altidore a starter. Since McBride retired, we don't have anyone else who can play this role well. Dempsey (while doing better of late) really isn't a lone striker type and doesn't play back-to-goal well. Other than finishing facing the goal, its hard to know what EJ does well. And neither Ching nor Twellman (our depth at this position) have been able to show that they deserve to start.

My hope...BB continues to work the kid in slowly. Don't push him by starting him soon in qualifiers, especially as a lone striker. Look for our scoring from midfield.

Other strikers (Finley, Davies, Barrett) - nothing much to say. No real help here. Has Barrett ever played outside mid ? He has a good motor and put in a few crosses but the kid can't finish at all. None of these guys are ready to displace Ching, EJ, Twellman, etc.

Putting Adu at withdrawn striker and assuming a four-man backline...what does' BB's formation look like ? I'll have a go:


------------------------Dempsey---------------------
--------------------------------Adu------------------
Beasley (if well)-------------------------------------Donovan
-------------Bradley------------------Edu-------------

Four man backline

This line up has alot of speed on the outside, and some pretty skilled players as well, but physically, they could get punished. They better keep possession because they won't win alot of headers.

braun
24 Mar 2008, 10:10 AM
If Beasley were not available, then based indirectly on the U23 tournament, I would consider Rogers instead of Convey or Lewis. The U23s had little wing play and Rogers would offer this, maybe not as well as Lewis did some years ago for the USMNT.
Zizzo the other hold-back from the U20s was a disappointment at this tournament.
Spector and Boca even have to be considered for Edu/Clark's position.
Edu can play beside Onyewu if Boca, Demerit, Gibbs, Califf, Spector, Conrad, and yes Sturgis don't pan out.
Did coach Peter show coach Bob that a Rmid cannot be played well at RB? for both the U23s or seniors.
Adu looks like the best #10 for the USMNT at present. So what if he can't defend?

Pandy Flapjack
24 Mar 2008, 10:35 AM
Holden is a better right mid (4-4-2 & 4-5-1) than Donovan.

Nutmeg
24 Mar 2008, 10:42 AM
Where do you play Freddy if you are going to play Landon as well?

Freddy is the only player in the US pool who, IMO, should move Donovan to the midfield. With Freddy in, I'm more comfortable with Donovan playing the EarnieGoal role we used to see in Arena's system. Freddy should be a forward.

As for whether to start or not start Altidore, I start him over Dempsey as a forward. First, there's the issue Dempsey isn't a forward. Second, Altidore didn't score w/ the U23s, but drew a ton of fouls - a couple that were converted into goals. Third, tell Mexico Jozy can't score in the big leagues.

I think Altidore is a forward who hadn't played a competitive game in a few months. Come this summer, I expect Jozy's finishing rate to be as high as it's always been.

Dempsey competes with Donovan and Beasley for time in the attacking midfield. Right now, he probably doesn't start.

Dr Jay
24 Mar 2008, 10:47 AM
Holden is a better right mid (4-4-2 & 4-5-1) than Donovan.

Maybe. But until we see it in some meaningful games, its just speculation.

This brings me to my midfield conclusion from watching the U23's......

Holden.

I want to see more of him. The others are not ready to displace the midfielders we have now. With the exception of Edu, who, in my opinion, is a player that we need to find a spot for. Kind of like Freddy, but further back.

I wouldn't mind seeing him play central defense as we finally would have someone back there calm and comfortable on the ball.

Mr Martin
24 Mar 2008, 11:03 AM
Freddy is the only player in the US pool who, IMO, should move Donovan to the midfield. With Freddy in, I'm more comfortable with Donovan playing the EarnieGoal role we used to see in Arena's system. Freddy should be a forward.

As for whether to start or not start Altidore, I start him over Dempsey as a forward. First, there's the issue Dempsey isn't a forward. Second, Altidore didn't score w/ the U23s, but drew a ton of fouls - a couple that were converted into goals. Third, tell Mexico Jozy can't score in the big leagues.

I think Altidore is a forward who hadn't played a competitive game in a few months. Come this summer, I expect Jozy's finishing rate to be as high as it's always been.

Dempsey competes with Donovan and Beasley for time in the attacking midfield. Right now, he probably doesn't start.

Ditto that post.

Dempsey, Donovan, Beasley, and Adu are all competing for the same kind of roles, as an attacking mid or second striker. Not all four of them can start at the same time.

I'm not convinced Adu will be ready RIGHT NOW to do for the full Nat's what he just did for the U23's. I'm not quite ready to build the 2010 lineup around Adu. Let's give him another year with Benfica and let him lead the Olympic team this summer. That's plenty of responsibility for the 18 year-old kid.

But I hope he can continue to grow into that role over the next few years. Adu has the potential to be an American Valderrama -- a small, skillfull, smart creator who makes those around him better.

Also, let's not get forget the other U23's with serious potential for the full Nats, and who might even be able to play bigger roles leading into 2010 than Adu can in the short-run.

Spector and Orozco provide an appealing different dimension at center back, and could prove very valuable. Oneywu and Boca are too similar and one (Boca) needs to be replaced with a more skillful alternative by 2010.

Holden and Edu are also serious contenters for the full Nat's.

Maximum Optimal
24 Mar 2008, 11:27 AM
From what I saw, I like Davies' potential. He is obviously far from a finished product. In particular, needs to learn to combine with his teammates better. But the raw material is good--decent size, strong, low center of gravity, likes to run at defenders with the ball.

Adam Zebrowski
24 Mar 2008, 01:31 PM
short term altidore is u-23 material but post beijing i see him in the senior mix, perhaps as sub during the semis, but performance in mls and internationally may get him a starting role...

ching can be the short-term answer while we wait for altidore....

adu, donovan, dempsey will give BB attacking flexibility, as 2 can start with the other off the bench...add in cards and injury and the starting 2 might be preselected...

the off the bench options are far better than i can recall, actually having game changers available in the 2nd half...what a novelty