Do you think we will be relegated?

[Carefree 95]

Yes or No?

[NicolasN.]

I voted yes. The situation seems pretty different than the one we endured during the past season. First of all because we signed two good players - Clement, Luyindula - who helped the team to stay in L1. Actually, Luyindula isn't as good as he was during his first 6 months. He is injured until the end of the month and even though he is not having a good season, I don't think we have a better deep-lying forward than him.

We signed Everton 3 minutes santos and Souza who haven't brought anything to the team yet. We were supposed to sign player and them to be in shape within a short time but Everton seems not even good enough to play in a team close to L2 and Souza seems not good enough physically for L1. I assume that he made a good entrance against Valencienne. He assisted God Pauleta.

Without Pauleta - and Zerka - we would already be in the last 3 teams of the league.

God gave us a sign. We have a lot of injuries, there is always individual mistakes. Diané missed 15000 scoring chances yesterday. It's the misfortune of a team which fate is to be dropped in L2.

Yesterday, it was supposed to be one of our easier games. A game at home, against Valenciennes and we couldn't afford to win it. We are in a "must win" situation and Le Guen is using 3 defensive midfielders at home. Honestly, I thought I wouldn't see such a thing at home since Lacombe was fired.

Plus, reading players and Cayzac' sayings are a torture. Landreau seems so fatalistic. I quote him : "although we are limited, we'll do the best we can". I don't want him to do the best he can, I want him to do his utmost and not considering that's fine we can't win a single game but we did our best.

I don't need to say anything about Cayzac. He lives in wonderland. To him everything is fine. He thanked the fans after yesterday's game.

The best is still to come because some people are starting to run their mouth. Luis Fernandez tends to forget that he made a lot of mistakes when he was in charge of PSG. Vahid destroyed the team by selling Dehu, Fiorese, Heinze, Sorin (well, not signing him) while he signed Helder marinos, Ateba, Corridon, Pancrate. A bunch of soccer geniuses. I heard that Fournier said that we have only 3 or 4 L1 players...For the last part I heard it on a populist TV show so I'm careful with this quote.

Even Luyindula talked to the press. We lack of solidarity and so on...I wouldn't mind if it was Pauleta or Rothen but Luyindula running his mouth...Is this a joke ? Was this his cousin on the pitch from the very beginning of the season ?

2 years with Cayzac = 2 years in Hell. Thank you and take Ceara, Everton Santos, Banning...with you when we'll be in L2.

I don't care about the league cup and the FA cup if we are relegated to L2. I'm even more worried because we are playing Bastia during this week and for the next championship round we are going to Gerland. We won't earn a single point against Lyon. Benzema will have a good laugh when he'll face Ceara.

I know my messages are really pessimistics. However it's hard to believe in us to stay in L1 regarding the facts, I really hope we'll stay in la L1 Aulas (not orange it's la L1 Aulas). I'm pretty upset about it. They destroyed our club. This club belongs to its fans and not to CC.

[SuperSebGrimaldi]

I'm voting no, and it's more to do with the schedule, I think, than anything else. Yes, it is l'OL that's immediately ahead on the calendar, but after that, there are only 2 top quarter of the table teams that PSG have to face (Nancy, Nice). Although it will likely come down to the visits to Toulouse and Sochaux. This may not be this disadvantageous since PSG have been a good road (à l'exterieur) team this season. Given that PSG are stronger in defense than in attack (arguably), I think they will come out of those games fine and avoid the drop.

[SportBoy333]

Are there no billonaires out there who want to buy this team ? None from Europe ? None from the US ? None from Asia ?

I find it hard to believe there isn't someone out there with deep pockets who's just chomping at the bit to buy this team. I don't get it. Capital Colony is embarassing. There must be some wealthy companies in France who would want ownership.

[mpeabody]

I'm voting no, and it's more to do with the schedule, I think, than anything else. Yes, it is l'OL that's immediately ahead on the calendar, but after that, there are only 2 top quarter of the table teams that PSG have to face (Nancy, Nice). Although it will likely come down to the visits to Toulouse and Sochaux. This may not be this disadvantageous since PSG have been a good road (à l'exterieur) team this season. Given that PSG are stronger in defense than in attack (arguably), I think they will come out of those games fine and avoid the drop.

I voted NO as well for exactly the same reasons. I think we can pull it out against the other relegation battle teams in the last few games.

Are there no billonaires out there who want to buy this team ? None from Europe ? None from the US ? None from Asia ?

I find it hard to believe there isn't someone out there with deep pockets who's just chomping at the bit to buy this team. I don't get it. Capital Colony is embarassing. There must be some wealthy companies in France who would want ownership.

Dubai has been trying to buy a team for a while now. If this team does get relegated the value drops drastically. Colony Capital should be concerned over how they've mismanaged their asset.

[HalfManHalfAmazing]

Im frankly surprised this team has not been bought by now.

Yes Ligue 1 is awful compared to the other top leagues, there is just no money in the league whatsoever. The teams that are "rich" have huge stadiums that sell out.

Parc Des Princes is MUCH too small for a city the caliber of Paris.

Paris is one of the worlds largest cities, and it's also one of the most desirable teams to live in.

What happened to PSGs scouting department? Are they the ONLY team in Ligue 1 not mining Africa for talent?

I think that PSG will be relegated, and hopefully it will teach management a lesson - that it's a financial mistake when you are the ONLY first division team in metropolitan AREA of one of the largest cities in the world, not to put ANY money into your investment.

[N. Platini]

Yes we will be relegated , to Ligue 2 where our team belongs .

[SportBoy333]

Parc De Princes is fine. Stade de France is too big. They could never fill it regularly if they played there no matter how good they were.

Getting relegated to "teach management a lesson" is not the way to go. Relegation doesnt have any positives.

[HalfManHalfAmazing]

OK let me get this straight.

Paris has a population of 9.93 million in the metropolitan area, and 2 million in the city limits of Paris.

Parc Des Princes holds 48,712 people.

Dortmund has 587,830 people . It is the 7th largest city in Germany.

Dortmund plays in Signal Iduna which holds 82,932.

Dortmund is rich and successful, PSG is poor and unsuccessful.

You don't see a connection there?

How is PDP FINE for a city which is TEN TIMES bigger than Dortmund??

And there arent any more football teams in Paris!!!

[SportBoy333]

Dortmund aren't "rich and successful." Their team is probably on par with PSG in terms of talent and roster. They arent the same Dortmund that won the champions league 11 years ago. PSG arent "poor." They have the 3rd highest budget of 20 Ligue 1 teams.

Most German cities are football crazy and in France only certain cities are football crazy and Paris is not one of them. Paris is a lousy sports town. Its not London or Dortmund or whatever other city you want to compare it to. If Paris had another professional team it would probable struggle to get half the attendance that PSG does.

Yes PSG are very popular but that doesnt mean they could fill a 100,000 seat stadium.

[NicolasN.]

OK let me get this straight.

Paris has a population of 9.93 million in the metropolitan area, and 2 million in the city limits of Paris.

Parc Des Princes holds 48,712 people.

Dortmund has 587,830 people . It is the 7th largest city in Germany.

Dortmund plays in Signal Iduna which holds 82,932.

Dortmund is rich and successful, PSG is poor and unsuccessful.

You don't see a connection there?

How is PDP FINE for a city which is TEN TIMES bigger than Dortmund??

And there arent any more football teams in Paris!!!

- There is one team in L1 called PSG which brought 1 european cup to french football. In my opinion, it's better to have football teams all over the country than having 10 teams in the same city. Football is for everyone not only for parisians.

- Dortmund are no longer successful.

- Le Parc des Princes is the reason why CC bought this club. They had a project to extend it to 54 000 seats. Le SdF is not a football stadium and there isn't a single PSG fan willing to go there. Plus, it's very expensive to held a game there.

- They won't take any lesson from a relegation because I don't think Mr lier will remain as president because of his great plan to be (l2:rolleyes:) champion within 4 year which sounds like a joke. According to le parisien there is also some troubles between him and le guen.

Those who will have to endure L2 are the fans and the future jobless actually working at PSG. It's like a company. I'll never consider l2 as a fresh start when a lot of people are gonna
lose their job and we can't know what will happen in l2.

[SportBoy333]

Actually if I were to compare PSG to a German team it be Hertha Berlin. Berlin, largest German city who only has 1 first divison and they are average. Paris, largest French city who only has 1 first division team and they are average. By average I mean teams who arent close to winning a championship.

[SuperSebGrimaldi]

I think PSG win a title sooner than you think.

[SportBoy333]

I think PSG win a title sooner than you think.

Ligue 2 champs 2008-09.

[HalfManHalfAmazing]

Berlin is half the size of Paris.

Hertha BSC averages 44K in a metro area of 5 million people.

PSG averages 36k in a metro area of 9.9 million people.

You still think they are comparable?

[SportBoy333]

Well I tried to come up with a French/German comparision and thats the best I could come up with. Obviously they arent identical but there are a few similarites there.

[mpeabody]

Berlin is half the size of Paris.

Hertha BSC averages 44K in a metro area of 5 million people.

PSG averages 36k in a metro area of 9.9 million people.

You still think they are comparable?

I think it's more comparable to Los Angeles. There are a ton of people, but there aren't a lot of people into it. LA can't even get an NFL franchise even though it's the second largest market in the US. I think it's a combination of too much else to do and the fact that a lot of people in LA (and Paris) are not originally from the city and have sporting allegiences elsewhere.

[SuperSebGrimaldi]

I would say it's a valid comparison. One could even say that PSG have an advantage over Hertha as there are many rising stars who originate from the area who want to join them.

[NicolasN.]

Le Parc des Princes is not the problem. It's a way more expensive to get a full season pass there than in any other stadium in France. If you want to blame the structures of this club, you better blame le camp des loges.

We had good results, or at least a good squad with the same stadium and even after bosman we had a good squad still. Those players at PSG nowadays are somehow lucky. They didn't have much trouble with the fans despite our 2/3 seasons fighting to stay in L1. Supporters are more patient. That's the same with l'OM. Question Pires about it :p

The main problem is money. CC came for a 4/5 years period and they aimed to earn money with PSG thanks to le Parc des Princes first. They chosed a supposed fan as president whom plan to build a good team with a few money is completely falling apart. He and his subordinates can't held a good tranfer window. First it was players with a strong will...well...hellebyuk is so shy. During the following summer, it was young players to build a great team in a near future...Bourillon is a threat for PSG.

You can blame Cayzac, Roche and Pecout on banning, ceara, souza, everton, Diané...

They did nothing but replacing Rozenhal by Camara and buying the same profile of defensive midfielders. The team was so close of L2 during the past season and they didn't got that this squad is lacking of talent. They had to reinforce it. All they did is selling players. Honestly, I expected nothing from this season regarding the last summer moves but I wasn't thinking about L2 relegation. At this rate, if we lose to strasbourg it's over.

Anyway, let's not put all the blame on mister lier and friends. I like Le Guen but he shouldn't be in charge of our transfers. He doesn't have enough acquaintance and he only signs players from his former clubs. He refused to spend the whole money CC allowed him to. He also said he wouldn't sign Bourillon who was injured during several months if it wasn't for PSG to build a good team within 3 years. It was a huge mistake.

I won't blame the fact he isn't talking to the press since that's better for everyone. Press is good at lie especially l'équipe and Le Parisien.

I won't blame our players, except Rothen and Pauleta they have no guts, no will. There are too much starters who are short of talent. They can't help it. Fatalistic players here we come. If only we could make 10 copy of Rothen...Not only in terms of talent but also in terms of will. We need warriors to remain in la L1 Aulas (you got why it's L1 aulas during the last sunday, red cards here we....disappear:p).

Speaking of CC, I think french people and L1 presidents should be more open minded. When Qatari were interested in owning PSG, Delanoe said he that doesn't money from Qatar to be used to buy PSG. Is that racism ? At least, they had a lot of money to spend senseless.

Lyon are a good example for PSG. Why haven't we extended our brand abroad like Lyon ? Paris is one if not the most popular city on earth. They had to use marketing, Paris is an amazing brand. Aulas is president and he injected his own money in l'OL. It would be nice to have this kind of president at PSG. Plus, it prevents presents like a 4 years contract for Vahid or moves only made for some people to get pocket-money.

PS : Cayzac aka care bear was given la légion d'honneur. Which I don't get.

[Padi]

There are many comparisms with other clubs and cities. But all comparisms aside, Paris is a large city, Paris SG is a big club with a big ground and a big potential fan base. It seems ilogical that we find ourselves in such trouble in the league at the moment. Whenever things go wrong at large and previously succesful clubs, in my opinion it nearly always points to one thing, bad management! And I dont necessarilly mean management of the team, but management at all levels, primarily at the very top.
To answer the original question I still think we will be alright and will stay in Ligue 1 but something really needs to change or else we will just be back here having the same conversations again next season.