Vfbstuttgartfan
06 Jul 2008, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE]From what I'm hearing these days, there's a very good chance of that happening.....
I sure hope so.
You guys talk all this mess about all the money Hoffenheim has and nobody mentions the fact that they are NOT tearing up the transfer market. Hoffenheim's plan isn't to spend loads of money. They have a seriously structured, FOOTBALL BASED, plan they are sticking to.
Sure, the money helps and it definitely made the difference at the 2. Liga level, but with you talking about "all the money they have" don't you think they would have gone after someone more experienced and proven than Beck??
Don't you think they would have signed someone like Ivan Klasnic already??
The fact of the matter is, it is not imperative for Hoffenheim to remain in the 1. Liga this season. They won promotion two years before their plan called for it.
They are still trying to build from the ground up. Don't forget, their "B-Junioren" team did win the German Championship this season......
Here I think you may have misunderstood my point. My point had little to do with Hoffenheim's finances, rather that was just a side comment, instead I was writing about how I DIDN'T expect us to be in a position where we'd have to sell to them even this early in their Bundesliga time, but instead would probably have to sell to them in later seasons if Hopp sticks around, which i'm guessing he will. I was just expressing my disappointment that already now we have lost a useful player to Hoffenheim.
Maybe management THOUGHT they had Beck talked into staying. Maybe Beck told them he'd stay, but then got an offer from Hoffenheim he couldn't refuse.
I don't think you know enough about what happened to say Heldt was "basically talking out his ass."
Perhaps the player changed his mind.
Well, obviously they did think they had Beck talked into staying, otherwise I doubt he would've said that. But fact is he was expressing the situation at a time when it clearly wasn't done, which proved to be misleading.
Because no matter how "bright" you think he is, he can be replaced and they don't need to keep a player who doesn't want to be there.
Of course we didn't need to keep him, it just would've been good to keep him. And he can be replaced, but I ask myself why sell and then look after replacing a player who easily had the potential to play regularly for VfB for many seasons to come?
This sentence should have eliminated the majority of the message.
I disagree with this - before carrying on with our summer transfers I did feel the need to give my 7 reasons as to why I thought this was an irritating move. After giving them, then sure we can change topic and go forwards, but I don't think I shouldn't have expressed my skepticism just because a move could no longer be changed, in fact I find it slightly disrespectful to suggest that my points should've been merely ignored as the deal is done.
From very classy to very childish all in two lines......
Again, how do you know Beck didn't demand to leave?
First of all, I don't see what was childish there: I don't like Hoffenheim, and I wish them no success at all, and I think in football every fan has these feelings for certain teams. Nothing childish there. And i'll add that that comment had nothing to do with acquiring Beck, I can't blame them for that, they made a good move! It was completely unrelated to this situation and was instead focused on my general lack of sympathy for Hoffenheim.
As for Beck wanting to leave, well obviously he did want to leave as it was his choice. But I'm not blaming him for that, in fact in point 2 of my last post I explained why I believe it's understandable that Beck wanted to leave.
I still wish him the best of luck in his development.
I sure hope so.
You guys talk all this mess about all the money Hoffenheim has and nobody mentions the fact that they are NOT tearing up the transfer market. Hoffenheim's plan isn't to spend loads of money. They have a seriously structured, FOOTBALL BASED, plan they are sticking to.
Sure, the money helps and it definitely made the difference at the 2. Liga level, but with you talking about "all the money they have" don't you think they would have gone after someone more experienced and proven than Beck??
Don't you think they would have signed someone like Ivan Klasnic already??
The fact of the matter is, it is not imperative for Hoffenheim to remain in the 1. Liga this season. They won promotion two years before their plan called for it.
They are still trying to build from the ground up. Don't forget, their "B-Junioren" team did win the German Championship this season......
Here I think you may have misunderstood my point. My point had little to do with Hoffenheim's finances, rather that was just a side comment, instead I was writing about how I DIDN'T expect us to be in a position where we'd have to sell to them even this early in their Bundesliga time, but instead would probably have to sell to them in later seasons if Hopp sticks around, which i'm guessing he will. I was just expressing my disappointment that already now we have lost a useful player to Hoffenheim.
Maybe management THOUGHT they had Beck talked into staying. Maybe Beck told them he'd stay, but then got an offer from Hoffenheim he couldn't refuse.
I don't think you know enough about what happened to say Heldt was "basically talking out his ass."
Perhaps the player changed his mind.
Well, obviously they did think they had Beck talked into staying, otherwise I doubt he would've said that. But fact is he was expressing the situation at a time when it clearly wasn't done, which proved to be misleading.
Because no matter how "bright" you think he is, he can be replaced and they don't need to keep a player who doesn't want to be there.
Of course we didn't need to keep him, it just would've been good to keep him. And he can be replaced, but I ask myself why sell and then look after replacing a player who easily had the potential to play regularly for VfB for many seasons to come?
This sentence should have eliminated the majority of the message.
I disagree with this - before carrying on with our summer transfers I did feel the need to give my 7 reasons as to why I thought this was an irritating move. After giving them, then sure we can change topic and go forwards, but I don't think I shouldn't have expressed my skepticism just because a move could no longer be changed, in fact I find it slightly disrespectful to suggest that my points should've been merely ignored as the deal is done.
From very classy to very childish all in two lines......
Again, how do you know Beck didn't demand to leave?
First of all, I don't see what was childish there: I don't like Hoffenheim, and I wish them no success at all, and I think in football every fan has these feelings for certain teams. Nothing childish there. And i'll add that that comment had nothing to do with acquiring Beck, I can't blame them for that, they made a good move! It was completely unrelated to this situation and was instead focused on my general lack of sympathy for Hoffenheim.
As for Beck wanting to leave, well obviously he did want to leave as it was his choice. But I'm not blaming him for that, in fact in point 2 of my last post I explained why I believe it's understandable that Beck wanted to leave.
I still wish him the best of luck in his development.