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frednmethod
09 Mar 2008, 08:21 AM
It's been confusing me ever since I started watching football.

So in the premiership,

the first and second teams qualify for the group stages of the UEFA Champions League, and the third and forth qualify for the 3rd qualifying rounds, right?

What about the UEFA Cup?

So for example, if the end of the season happened like this (this is a hypothetical situation, so don't comment on the actual rankings), who would get the UEFA Champions league and UEFA Cup spots for the next season?

League:
1. Arsenal
2. Man Utd
3. Chelsea
4. Everton
5. Liverpool
6. Aston Villa
7. Man City
8. Blackburn
9. Portsmouth


UEFA Champions League winner: Liverpool
UEFA Cup winner : Bolton
FA Cup winner: Portsmouth
Carling Cup winner: Tottenham


Let me see if I got this straight.

In the case above, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool (Champions League winners) and Bolton (UEFA Cup winner) would qualify for the UEFA Champions League, Portsmouth (FA Cup winner), Tottenham (Carling Cup winner) and Aston Villa (highest team not qualified for Champions League) for the UEFA Cup, and Man City for the Intertoto Cup, right????
RichardL
09 Mar 2008, 08:58 AM
The CL allocation is right. The top 4 would be qualify, and after the precedent set last time, if Liverpool won it, they'd also be allowed in despite not having qualified in the normal manner.

Bolton wouldn't get in though. Winning the UEFA Cup doesn't get you into the champions league.

England then has three places for the UEFA Cup.
One place is allocated to the highest placed team not in the CL.
One place goes to the FA Cup winner.
One place goes to the League Cup winner.

If the League Cup winner has already qualified for Europe by league position, than an extra league position down is allocated to the UEFA Cup.

If the FA Cup winner has already qualified by position, then the runners up go into the UEFA Cup instead. If they also have already qualified through their position, then an extra place is allocated by league position.

So under your scenario, you'd have...
CL: Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool
UEFA: Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Spurs

I think Bolton would also get in the UEFA Cup as winners, but I'm not 100%
RobB
09 Mar 2008, 12:37 PM
Only four teams can qualify for the Champions league, so if Everton finish fourth and Liverpool win the CL then Everton go into the UEFA cup.

If Bolton win the UEFA cup but get relegated that makes a difference, but I'm not certain how. Either they don't play in the UEFA cup (because of not being in the top division) or England don't get another UEFA cup place allocated.
sarabella
09 Mar 2008, 12:42 PM
Only four teams can qualify for the Champions league, so if Everton finish fourth and Liverpool win the CL then Everton go into the UEFA cup.
That's not how it happened in 2004/05.
RobB
09 Mar 2008, 01:01 PM
That's not how it happened in 2004/05.

They've changed it. Champions league winners have to take one of the qualifying slots from their nations allocation. So no country can have 5 teams in the ECL.
Prenn
09 Mar 2008, 04:58 PM
Only four teams can qualify for the Champions league, so if Everton finish fourth and Liverpool win the CL then Everton go into the UEFA cup.

If Bolton win the UEFA cup but get relegated that makes a difference, but I'm not certain how. Either they don't play in the UEFA cup (because of not being in the top division) or England don't get another UEFA cup place allocated.

There's nowt stopping you being in Europe because you're not in your country's top flight.
BlackburnRover
10 Mar 2008, 05:20 AM
You've got to apply to play in the Intertoto Cup, so by some strange quirk of fate we were the highest place team (who hadn't already qualified for Europe) to have applied for it last year.

Some teams don't like the onus of the extra pre-season games so don't apply, but there aren't that many games now so it's worth a shot. Well I thought it was until we embarassed ourselves against Larissa :(
Harry Boulton
10 Mar 2008, 07:09 AM
That's not how it happened in 2004/05


I discovered this at the weekend. If Everton come 4th, and Liverpool win the CL, Liverpool automatically qualify for the CL and Everton have to qualify for the UEFA Cup. Blag.