Die Knappen! Schalke 04 07/08 thread (part 4) [R]

[johan neeskens]

See you don't need Rutten, just let Youri et al do the job.

[Lahmfan]

Everyone knows that.
For Schalke it is....There are oceans of hurt behind the issue
For Schalke, yes.
And that's why Bundesliga will always be behind the english, spanish and the italian leagues... :)

[Dead Fingers]

And that's why Bundesliga will always be behind the english, spanish and the italian leagues... :)

um, no...it's the money.

[Lahmfan]

um, no...it's the money.
Well yeah! the money comes from winning the BIG competitions, you know.. competitions like CL and Uefa cup? not from winning the domestic league.. like bundesliga!

[Dead Fingers]

Well yeah! the money comes from winning the BIG competitions, you know.. competitions like CL and Uefa cup? not from winning the domestic league.. like bundesliga!


No..the money comes from TV revenue, which affects EVERY team in the Bundesliga and not just European squads.

[Lahmfan]

No..the money comes from TV revenue, which affects EVERY team in the Bundesliga and not just European squads.
Exactly !!! and why there is no body watching the Bundesliga or why there is not so much buzz for the Bundesliga??? Because we dont have "popular" players that deserve to be watched.. why ?? because we have people like you that think Bundesliga is more important to win than CL!!

and if we keep this mentality, we will never move any further :o

[Dead Fingers]

Um yeah.

Instead of us taking up space in the Schalke forum, why don't you first read this
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188635

[squidward123]

sorry for being a bit late but...

Second, are you really trying to convince me that bundesliga is more important to win than CL in Germany ???:confused::confused:

YES

[Hendrik]

YES
That doesn't apply to the only team that can realistically win the CL though.

[Projekt4]

That doesn't apply to the only team that can realistically win the CL though.

My impression is that the majority of long-standing Bayern fans in Germany would hesitate, but eventually rather not cede the domestic championship to Bremen or probably especially Schalke if that would be the price for actually not coming close but winning the Champions League. And I'm pretty sure that applies to supporters of all teams in Europe (Mr Abramovich himself excluded), let's not forget Heynckes was ousted at Real Madrid despite winning the European Cup/CL for the first time in 32 years.

[Schwalker]

Not that it´s a Schalke topic but I think it´s hard to understand how all-important domestic titles are if you don´t live in the area...An outsider from say America might draw a comparison between the Champs League and the superbowl perhaps while most of the local fans regards International games as a nice profitable but not very important diversion from the main gameplan which involves thrashing your local rivals and humiliating those stuck ups from down the river while claiming the title...;)

[Hendrik]

My impression is that the majority of long-standing Bayern fans in Germany would hesitate, but eventually rather not cede the domestic championship to Bremen or probably especially Schalke if that would be the price for actually not coming close but winning the Champions League. And I'm pretty sure that applies to supporters of all teams in Europe (Mr Abramovich himself excluded), let's not forget Heynckes was ousted at Real Madrid despite winning the European Cup/CL for the first time in 32 years.
Winning the league is business as usual really.

What will happen once Bayern clinch the domestic title? A Weißbier Dusche for Hitzfeld, a big party a day later at the Marienplatz and on Monday you'll hear Hoeneß and Co. talking about the aims for next seasons Champions League. The last CL title is the one that won't be forgotten for years or probably decades to come. Most fans remember every detail about the route to the final and of course the game against Valencia itself (Elber's winning goal in Madrid, Sergio's late poacher's goal in Manchester, Kahn's heroic performance in the penalty shootout etc.). Those were the glorious moments of the Hitzfeld era. The domestic Championship of 2001 is also up there but 03, 05 and 06? Meh, many fans rather complained about being outclassed in the CL.

[squidward123]

He did say "long standing fans"...I think he means older fans.

(For them, the CL isn't the EC - it's a lot of contrived prestige.)

[Projekt4]

Winning the league is business as usual really.

What will happen once Bayern clinch the domestic title? A Weißbier Dusche for Hitzfeld, a big party a day later at the Marienplatz and on Monday you'll hear Hoeneß and Co. talking about the aims for next seasons Champions League. The last CL title is the one that won't be forgotten for years or probably decades to come. Most fans remember every detail about the route to the final and of course the game against Valencia itself (Elber's winning goal in Madrid, Sergio's late poacher's goal in Manchester, Kahn's heroic performance in the penalty shootout etc.). Those were the glorious moments of the Hitzfeld era. The domestic Championship of 2001 is also up there but 03, 05 and 06? Meh, many fans rather complained about being outclassed in the CL.

I stick to what I said, though there is obviously nothing tangible to back it up. The point is that for the league favourites, LOSING the league to the old foes still would be terribly annoying. You know how all of Germany is excited when Bayern lose a game. Squid, I didn't mean older fans, I mainly meant ignore the glory hunters and those who dryly say "Winning the league is business as usual really".

Hendrik, are you from Bavaria?

[F96]

Of course it's different when you win the Bundesliga as often as Bayern does.
If Schake had won it 12 times in the last 20 years they would prefer to win the CL title as well, only natural.

But since they haven't and since no other team except for Bayern wins the league title on a regular basis the domestic title is much more important for them.

Same with Liverpool fans, they'd gladly give away their CL semi-final match for a chance to win the EPL title.

[Hendrik]

I stick to what I said, though there is obviously nothing tangible to back it up. The point is that for the league favourites, LOSING the league to the old foes still would be terribly annoying. You know how all of Germany is excited when Bayern lose a game. Squid, I didn't mean older fans, I mainly meant ignore the glory hunters and those who dryly say "Winning the league is business as usual really".

I too stick to what I said. I can't blame people for not getting overly excited about winning a competition that you'll win nine out of ten times unless your management ********s up (like two years ago).

Hendrik, are you from Bavaria?
Nope. But here are lots of Bremen, Hamburg and Dortmund fans and yes, losing to them is indeed terribly annoying.



(For them, the CL isn't the EC - it's a lot of contrived prestige.)
That's still a generalization.

[squidward123]

That's still a generalization.

Of course, but I'd say the majority of older fans think this way

[Schwalker]

Back to Schalke matters..

Press conference tomorrow and our new coach (everyone is expecting it to be Rutten) will be announced.

For once we actually seems to have a sort of plan when sacking a coach..:D

[Fussballer76]

what kind of tactics does Rutten have. is he defensive or attacking minded?

[johan neeskens]

what kind of tactics does Rutten have. is he defensive or attacking minded?

First of all: I as a Twente fan am gutted that he's leaving, I really thought he would stay. He's our director of football and not just our coach, so it's completely back to the drawing board for Twente and we're all absolutely devastated about it.

To answer your question: I could produce a 100 links to Dutch media stories singing the praises of Fred Rutten. Twente over the past two years have not only produced results, but have also played some wonderful football. The quality of the positional play in an attacking system in particular has got the football media in the Netherlands raving about him. His main quality is that he improves players, he gets the best out of them and he has excellent man management skills. That's another reason why this is such a big loss for Twente. The players who've joined us recently came for him, not necessarily for the club.

I'm too depressed to wish him good luck at Schalke even.