matchday 23 : Stuttgart-Werder [R]

[banok]

Stuttgart-Werder Bremen 6-3 ::: highlights
http://www.videoplayer.hu/videos/play/141734

[LebenslangGruenWeiss]

I hate and love my club because of games like these.
Stuttgart scored 5(!) of their 6 goals after successful counter-attacks. We outshot them 28:9. We had 57% posession. Very good passing and offensive movement. They played with a lot of heart but without a brain.

This team is driving me crazy. Goodbye everyone I gotta get drunk fast.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

They played with a lot of heart but without a brain.


That takes the point exactly.

IMO our whole team is stupid. The strikers are to stupid to use their chances - the team wants to extend the 1-0 and gets even more offensive, strikers not using chances - Stuttgart counters and scores - Werder gets more offensive strikers not using chances - Stuttgart counters and scores - ...

And worst of all, they still play this stupid off-side trap.
Hey, Schaaf, this didn´t work for 3 years, it won´t work from one day to another.

A very bitter loss, we had possesion, created a lot of chances,
3 times more than the home team and loose with 3 goals ... :mad:

But i can´t say, it´s undeserved. We paid for our stupidness.


This team is driving me crazy. Goodbye everyone I gotta get drunk fast.

Good plan, i also take a beer.

[kemgooner]

very bad day for bremen, heres an article i wrote to summarize the match.
Stuttgart took on Werder Bremen Saturday, in a match which saw 9 goals scored. Diego was still suspended for Bremen, and Stuttgart were starting 19 year old goalkeeper Sven Ulreich. The action began early when in the 9th minute when Markus Rosenberg put in a cross that found Hugo Alemeida wide open on the back post. The Portugeese striker easily headed home the chance, and the scoreline was 1-0 Werder Bremen. Mesut Ozil , a 19 year old attacking midfielder who signed for Bremen from Schalke at the end of the winter transfer window, started for Bremen and he was involved in a lot of dangerous play early on, and did well taking on and beating defenders.

20 minutes in Stuttgart found their equalizer from the boot of Mario Gomez after a wonderful backheeled pass from Ciprian Marica. Perhaps Tim Weise could have done better coming off his line, but Gomez is such a talented striker that there was little that could be done. Bremen came very close to taking the lead back just a minute later when Hugo Alemeida again found himself in a dangerous position but this time his shot hit the crossbar. On the 28th minute Stuttgart made and important substitution, taking off Antonio da Silva and putting on Roberto Hilbert. This allowed Basturk to push forward more, and that move payed off when he broke free on a counter attack following a Bremen corner in the 43rd minute. He found Mario Gomez, and the German slotted home his second. At halftime the score was 2-1 Stuttgart.

The second half began where the first left off, more attacking play and more great chances for both sides, but Bremen were the first to capitalize on their pressure. Sebastian Boenisch, who had a pretty good match overall getting forward, scored his first ever Bundesliga goal from a shot outside the box, which might have taken a deflection on the way in. Bremen hearts were lifted and the score was 2-2. However, their hopes were dashed 5 minutes later when Mario Gomez grabbed his hattrick, from a close ranged shot after a cross by the substitute Cacau following another Stuttgart break.

Stuttgart didn’t have to wait more than a minute to see their lead doubled, as Bremen seemed to still be in shock following the last goal. They again hit Bremen on a quick attack and this time it was Mario Gomez feeding Cacau for the goal. Bremen pulled one back in 76th through Markus Rosenberg, making it 4-3 and it seemed like they just might have a chance rescuing a point. Those last hopes were dashed in the 83rd minute when Ludovic Magnin went on a great run beating Mertesacker, Weise, and then putting in shot that was attempted to be cleared by Clemens Fritz, but was deflected off Mertesacker into the Bremen net. Cacau added another for Stuttgart, as the Bremen defense just seemed to stand around and let him shoot. Things got even worse for Bremen when Mertesacker was harshly sent off following a tackle on Gomez. The German did not complain however, and walked off the pitch in disappointment shared by his teammates still playing, Bremen fans, and anyone hoping Bremen would be able to beat Bayern Munich out for the Bundesliga title.

Tim Weise was poor again for Bremen, and you have to wonder if they will go shopping for a new keeper in the summer. Mario Gomez was clearly the motm, and one has to wonder whether he too will find himself on another team next season, with many big clubs reportedly showing interest.

Final Score: Stuttgart 6 Werder Bremen 3

http://kemgooner.wordpress.com

[highflyerone]

They played with a lot of heart but without a brain.

http://www.passionateblogger.com/pictures/hit-the-nail-on-the-head-200x200.jpg

Its beyond me how Bremen tried to play "the attacker" today and totally forgot about the counter attack from Stuttgart. How many times was Gomez one-on-one with Wiese? It seemed like 100 times. Goodness.

[Wappy]

The only positive we can get from this match is that our offense is as good as ever.

That takes the point exactly.

And worst of all, they still play this stupid off-side trap.
Hey, Schaaf, this didn´t work for 3 years, it won´t work from one day to another.



I'm glad somebody really mentioned it, in which I have noted this problem before in previous threads.

While Schaaf has done so much for Werder, the team could actually archive a lot more if he revises his defensive tactics.

The constant usage of the offside trap, together with the employment of a flat backline is probably the only thing I would condemn him.

EE is right, it has been used for three years and I am not sure why Schaaf will still want to stick to it when MANY results have shown this approach is not reliable. Those which stand out in mind include Lyon 2-7, Schalke 1-2, Juventus 3-2 (it was a win, but we had to thank Wiese for saving our a$$ in the 1st half and the two goals scored by the Italians can definitely be prevented), Nurnberg 0-3, Schalke 0-2, Stuttgart 1-4 (perhaps yesterday's match as well - haven't seen it), Bielefeld 2-3, Olympiakos 0-3, Dortmund 0-3.

I cannot even say this tactic has been successful at all. I have rarely seen a match where Werder's offside trap is fully functional and secure. It is usually thanks to Wiese's desperate saves, and luck that we can keep a clean sheet.

The failure of this tactic not only makes our defenders look horrendous (in which they are not as we know, look at Naldo's and Mertesacker's performance in the NT), but costs us from reaching our goals. Why Schaaf blindly pursue this tactic and orders an all-out offensive mode against clever teams who sit on counter-attacks or against European heavyweights is beyond me - the only explanation is that he never learns or he is too stubborn. Similarly, why the players support this tactic is baffling.
I was just wondering, did Schaaf use the same tactics when they won the double?

[saelevena]

Stuttgart-Werder Bremen 6-3 ::: highlights
http://www.videoplayer.hu/videos/play/141734

Thanks! I didn't get to watch the match and I'm kinda glad I didn't. The result was really shocking, I didn't expect a scoreline like that. Looking at the statistics, you'd think Werder would be the team who scored the 6 goals. Clearly, I'm disappointed like the rest of Bremen fans... I agree with the comments above, something has to be done with our defense.

[mjd2086]

Don't get around to reading the Werder forum often, but I watched the game over the weekend and... while I was thrilled at the goalfest, I was shocked that Bremen allowed Stuttgart to counter so easily and efficiently. I know Bremen are all about attacking football, but at some point you have to realize that things are not working out and revamp your tactics. The backline is not all to blame... I think Wiese needs to either take a game off or needs to be replaced as he has been terrible in the past couple games I have seen him in. Against Rangers he allowed two past him that should have been stopped which cost you guys the game(and it seems this is not the frist time this has occured) and then the last goal in the Stuttgart game he did not even bother diving to try and stop. He just stood there and did nothing.

So, why I love to watch Bremen play because they know how scrore a lot of goals, there has to be a balance between all out attack and boring, defensive football. Best of luck to you guys in the second leg against Rangers and I certainly hope you guys can pull your defense together quickly.

["Eisenfuß" Eilts]

The backline is not all to blame...

100% agree, it´s the whole team.


I think Wiese needs to either take a game off or needs to be replaced as he has been terrible in the past couple games I have seen him in. Against Rangers he allowed two past him that should have been stopped which cost you guys the game(and it seems this is not the frist time this has occured) and then the last goal in the Stuttgart game he did not even bother diving to try and stop. He just stood there and did nothing.

What should he have done? Sliding with both legs into Gomez and see red ...
In all situations he played alone against 1 or 2 strikers.
Against Rangers he was the player responsible for the defeat, but against
Stuttgart he took the ass-card, because there were 10 players before him,
that didn´t do their defense work. If we would have saved some of the balls
it would have been great especially for his moral, but none of the balls was
a must-catch ball.

So, why I love to watch Bremen play because they know how scrore a lot of goals, there has to be a balance between all out attack and boring, defensive football. Best of luck to you guys in the second leg against Rangers and I certainly hope you guys can pull your defense together quickly.

It will be interested to see, what tactics Schaaf will play.


I was just wondering, did Schaaf use the same tactics when they won the double?

No, they were also playing a risky offside-trap, but that one worked, because the team
wasn´t as offensive orientated and most important most of the players played together
over some seasons and one player knew what the other had in mind.