View Full Version : So... it turns out Hillary is a complete and utter hypocrite
CommonSense
22 Feb 2008, 04:49 PM
what was that, your words should be your own?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U
what a joke...
edit - fixed, lol
chad
22 Feb 2008, 05:02 PM
Thanks for linking to a 45 minute flight of the conchords clip?
CommonSense
22 Feb 2008, 05:34 PM
Thanks for linking to a 45 minute flight of the conchords clip?
whoops, real clip is up now...
Knave
22 Feb 2008, 05:42 PM
whoops, real clip is up now...
The original clip was funnier.
argentine soccer fan
22 Feb 2008, 05:54 PM
Well, mi wife always steals my lines too. No big deal.
:D
Calexico77
22 Feb 2008, 05:55 PM
"It turns out"?????
Have you ever heard of Hillary Clinton or do you have any knowledge or her behavior over the last 20 years? Hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe her.
CommonSense
23 Feb 2008, 10:06 AM
"It turns out"?????
Have you ever heard of Hillary Clinton or do you have any knowledge or her behavior over the last 20 years? Hypocrite doesn't even begin to describe her.
I agree 100%, I'm a pretty liberal guy but there's just no way I'd vote for Hilary over McCain. She's changed positions on so many key positions to become presidential it makes me sick.
But really, I don't have any problem with this clip, until you try to go on a debate and attack your front-running opponent for the exact same thing.
#10 Jersey
23 Feb 2008, 08:42 PM
I agree 100%, I'm a pretty liberal guy but there's just no way I'd vote for Hilary over McCain. She's changed positions on so many key positions to become presidential it makes me sick.
But really, I don't have any problem with this clip, until you try to go on a debate and attack your front-running opponent for the exact same thing.
A simplistic analysis says its the same thing. But its really not at all...
Hillary isn't the campaign that is pushing the idea that it is something so different than what we've seen, something original and new not seen since the days of JFK.
HRC is pushing the idea that she knows her stuff, is tough enough to get things done and has been doing so for 35 years. She has not said that she doesn't get ideas from others. She has not said that she is an "original."
He has.
So to use others thoughts as your own is a direct contradiction of his message.
With respect to who's stealing..it was Edwards....Bill said it first in 1992. Is she not allowed to use something her husband has said just because Edwards copied it?
Obama changed his response on the issue. At first it was he and Duval talk all the time and he used some things that he heard Duval say. Then it changed to Duval gave it to him to use...
Attacking Minded
23 Feb 2008, 09:38 PM
whoops, real clip is up now...
I was wondering why Wolverine was calling Hillary a hypocrite.
chad
23 Feb 2008, 10:41 PM
A simplistic analysis says its the same thing. But its really not at all...
Hillary isn't the campaign that is pushing the idea that it is something so different than what we've seen, something original and new not seen since the days of JFK.
HRC is pushing the idea that she knows her stuff, is tough enough to get things done and has been doing so for 35 years. She has not said that she doesn't get ideas from others. She has not said that she is an "original."
He has.
So to use others thoughts as your own is a direct contradiction of his message.
With respect to who's stealing..it was Edwards....Bill said it first in 1992. Is she not allowed to use something her husband has said just because Edwards copied it?
Obama changed his response on the issue. At first it was he and Duval talk all the time and he used some things that he heard Duval say. Then it changed to Duval gave it to him to use...You campaign in poetry but you govern in prose!
-- Mario Cuomo
argentine soccer fan
23 Feb 2008, 10:45 PM
Obama changed his response on the issue. At first it was he and Duval talk all the time and he used some things that he heard Duval say. Then it changed to Duval gave it to him to use...
Yeah, I know. It was a xerox moment. Keep it up, that played really well.
:D
royalstilton
23 Feb 2008, 11:45 PM
Obama changed his response on the issue. At first it was he and Duvalier talk all the time and he used some things that he heard Duvalier say. Then it changed to Duvalier gave it to him to use...
FYP
Duval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Duvalier)
otterulz
23 Feb 2008, 11:52 PM
With respect to who's stealing..it was Edwards....Bill said it first in 1992. Is she not allowed to use something her husband has said just because Edwards copied it?
I think she should definitely be allowed to use her husband's past speeches. But who is she to tell Obama about using your own words?
Obama changed his response on the issue. At first it was he and Duval talk all the time and he used some things that he heard Duval say. Then it changed to Duval gave it to him to use...
Now it seems like you're nitpicking. Obama clearly mentioned during the debate that Duval Patrick is one of his co-chairs and let him use it. Is his original answer that much far from what he said during the debate? Point is it's pretty clear that Duval Patrick doesn't mind.
YankHibee
24 Feb 2008, 12:08 AM
Yeah, speechwriters should be illegal. Let's see what these bozos can do extemporaneously, because one day their teleprompters might fail.
jamison
24 Feb 2008, 05:06 PM
Hillary isn't the campaign that is pushing the idea that it is something so different than what we've seen, something original and new not seen since the days of JFK.
HRC is pushing the idea that she knows her stuff, is tough enough to get things done and has been doing so for 35 years. She has not said that she doesn't get ideas from others. She has not said that she is an "original."
At this point, I'm not sure that either I know, or Hillary knows, what she's running on. Her gig changes every week from Hillary the presumptive nominee to Hillary the comeback kid to Hillary the experienced to Hillary the aggrieved victim of inaccurate mailings.
Her quote about Obama lacking substance was hilarious. "Let's stop with the speeches and the big rallies..."
Hello?
Wouldn't she want to have speeches that motivated people to- gasp- show up for them in large numbers? Wouldn't any politician? Complaining about your opponent being TOO popular is Loserspeak 101.
You can understand her wanting to try to get back in the game, but when you campaign against things like optimism and popularity...you being to sound really strange.
Frank Rich: The Audacity of Hopelessness (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?em&ex=1204002000&en=1eaf7624ae72ae11&ei=5087%0A)
As for countering what she sees as the empty Obama brand of hope, she offers only a chilly void: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. This must be the first presidential candidate in history to devote so much energy to preaching against optimism, against inspiring language and — talk about bizarre — against democracy itself. No sooner does Mrs. Clinton lose a state than her campaign belittles its voters as unrepresentative of the country.
Bill Clinton knocked states that hold caucuses instead of primaries because “they disproportionately favor upper-income voters” who “don’t really need a president but feel like they need a change.” After the Potomac primary wipeout, Mr. Penn declared that Mr. Obama hadn’t won in “any of the significant states” outside of his home state of Illinois. This might come as news to Virginia, Maryland, Washington and Iowa, among the other insignificant sites of Obama victories. The blogger Markos Moulitsas Zúniga has hilariously labeled this Penn spin the “insult 40 states” strategy.
The insults continued on Tuesday night when a surrogate preceding Mrs. Clinton onstage at an Ohio rally, Tom Buffenbarger of the machinists’ union, derided Obama supporters as “latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust-fund babies.” Even as he ranted, exit polls in Wisconsin were showing that Mr. Obama had in fact won that day among voters with the least education and the lowest incomes. Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Obama received the endorsement of the latte-drinking Teamsters.
Not that I accept Frank Rich as gospel, but that article has a number of good points.
I think HRC is a good politician and knows how to win elections, but, at what price glory?
She's the Bill Bellichek of Politics. Effective, generally victorious, unliked, bitter and unpleasant.
I just hope she doesn't start campaigning in those hooded sweatshirts.
Father Ted
24 Feb 2008, 05:57 PM
All pols are hypocrites in some way or another...
Andy Bennett
25 Feb 2008, 04:22 PM
Is this meant to be serious?
That phrase, (the ordinary people have suffered more than I have), has been used since AT LEAST the 1940's. Frankly these complaints are all pretty lame.