Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[Hendrixforpope]

Cristiano has easy around 15 to 20 (creating) assist, even only in the EPL. He easily had a hand in about 60 to 70% of the United goals when he was on the pitch

Ronaldo never did that, not with PSV, not with Barca and not with Inter

Why does that matter?

Btw, when is Cristiano going to get one of these?

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsportrivaldoronaldoworldcup2002trophy.jpg

[Bronaldo]

^^When portugal get a good striker

[Paul_NL]

It´s important because CR influence on his team is bigger then Ronaldo´s. Ronaldo always played at high scoring teams, that padded his stats

[The Double]

Seeing as he is of Portuguese nationality (plays for their NT), how the hell is he supposed to play in a South American tournament? :rolleyes:

You realize Portugal is in Europe, right? :D

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Thank you ASF and mak9.

[O Fenômeno]

sure sure...buddy :D

like the previous guy said......if he's truley good the organizations will find a way to accommodate his goals

see ronaldo wasn't European but uefa gave him the award anyways


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[Hendrixforpope]

I look forward to seeing C. Ronaldo in 2011.

[celito]

Cristiano has easy around 15 to 20 (creating) assist, even only in the EPL. He easily had a hand in about 60 to 70% of the United goals when he was on the pitch

Ronaldo never did that, not with PSV, not with Barca and not with Inter

6 assists this season in EPL. That's direct assists.

Ronaldo's (Brazil) job was not to assist. He was a striker. Although I would not be surprised if he didn't have a season or 2 with a handfull of assists.

[Kulspruta]

It´s important because CR influence on his team is bigger then Ronaldo´s. Ronaldo always played at high scoring teams, that padded his stats
FFS, isn't Cristiano Ronaldo playing at a high scoring team? How many goals do you think Man Utd scored this season? Eleven? Twelve? Ah! It must be because there's no striker! :rolleyes:

And forget the f*ckin stats - despite them being another pro-Ronaldo argument - they're not as important as a simple glance at the tube. Watching Ronaldo you would see an unplayable force of nature, that even after not touching a ball for almost two years went to a World Cup and basically owned everybody alongside Rivaldo. Watching Cristiano Ronaldo we see a good player that scores tons against Boltons and Wigans and deserves some accolades for a good season. That's it!

[Paul_NL]

6 assists this season in EPL. That's direct assists.

Ronaldo's (Brazil) job was not to assist. He was a striker. Although I would not be surprised if he didn't have a season or 2 with a handfull of assists.

There is more to soccer then a direct assist, a 2 metre pass in midfield is not an assist, a ball over 30 meter to Rooney, who later passes to Tevez is

[celito]

There is more to soccer then a direct assist, a 2 metre pass in midfield is not an assist, a ball over 30 meter to Rooney, who later passes to Tevez is

That's why I said "direct". Don't you worry ... I know there is "more to soccer than a direct assist".

[Hendrixforpope]

There is more to soccer then a direct assist, a 2 metre pass in midfield is not an assist, a ball over 30 meter to Rooney, who later passes to Tevez is

You mean a f*cking secondary assist? Why do those even exist?

[Massimo_Oddo]

It´s important because CR influence on his team is bigger then Ronaldo´s. Ronaldo always played at high scoring teams, that padded his stats

LOL

and Man Utd isn't a high scoring team?

[Massimo_Oddo]

Cristiano has easy around 15 to 20 (creating) assist, even only in the EPL. He easily had a hand in about 60 to 70% of the United goals when he was on the pitch

Ronaldo never did that, not with PSV, not with Barca and not with Inter

you're just making these statistics up!

[Hendrixforpope]

The only thing worse than inaccurate statistics are made-up statistics.

[Joelzinho]

Easy. When he was at his best, nobody could touch him.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldcup2002/galleries/brazil/ronaldo.jpg

Look at that, the camera couldn't even catch him.

I got to say Luis before the injury, but I still think Cristiano has the possibility of raising higher then him.

[Joelzinho]

Why does that matter?

Btw, when is Cristiano going to get one of these?

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/allsportrivaldoronaldoworldcup2002trophy.jpg

As soon as we borrow a striker from Brasil.

[johno]

You'd be surprised.

Cristiano is more of a poacher. He's not even the top assister at his club.

FYI - WC 98, Ronaldo got 4 goals and 4 assists.

Stupid post. Ronaldo is anything but a poacher. He's a wingforward who has developed an amazing skill of finding the ball in the box despite being the most heavily marked player on the pitch 90% of the time.

What about the best winger in the world having only 4 assists? Shocking stuff. :eek:

Winger/Wingforward its not big of a difference for me its semantics, but as a wingforward one of your main weapons has to be crossing and with either the midget Rooney or the midget Tevez as the central striker Ronaldo's crosses won't lead to many goals. ALSO, Rooney and Tevez have been woeful in front of goal this year and they could both have finished conservatively with 30 goals in all competitions this year if they'd finished only half the clear cut chances Ronaldo created for them. I think in one match Rooney missed 4 1v1 situations and Tevez has been streaky all season. The difference between Ronaldo this season and last isn't simply him being more assertive.

His finishing has improved but also the finishing of those around him has diminished AND he's finding himself more and more the most advanced player in the team as both Rooney and Tevez like to come deep. When you're closest to goal AND can get a shot whenever you like AND are scoring goals for fun AND your teammates aren't the best of finishers you'd be inclined not to pass backward or hold up the ball especially if its not your strength.

Last year he had a whole bunch of assists. Wiki says 23 goals with 20 assists overall (17 an 14 in EPL). So from a general point of view, his game was more balanced for a non-striker.

See above post. He's taken up the scoring slack but he hasn't stopped passing, the chances however have not been converted. Also, much like Jordan taking over in the 4th quarter after allowing his teammates an opportunity to prove themselves in the opening 3, Ronaldo may have grown increasingly fearful of poor finishing this season and taken up the responsibility on himself a bit more. He's still not stopped passing and if you think that's the case you need to watch him more.

tbh i thought Ronaldo's all round play was better last season, whereas this season has not been as good even though his goal tally has been higher. Quite often he scores a goal from a header from a corner or a tap in which papers over an average performance.

Yeah, you're probably from the group who said Ruud only scores tap ins too. Since when is excellent positioning and anticipation a bad thing. If he "quite often" scores from a header or a tap in while you are watching you've caught the wrong games. Many of his goals, the majority of them have come from smart movement, cutting in and shooting often involving the beating of atleast one defender. He's also scored driven FKs, curled FKs a low FK. He's scored poachers goals and amazing solo goals, he's also scored at the end of good team moves. He's scored every goal imaginable and one look at a goal comp on youtube would tell you that.

[Paul_NL]

To understand what the influence is of a player on a team, you need to know soccer

[Paul_NL]

you're just making these statistics up!

Nope

[cr7torossi]

For starters, pre-injury Ronaldo still tops it for me.

But some of you as expected are obviously not going to give CR due credit mainly becuse he is a Portugese playing for an English club.

He was the top in assists in the prem (and 2nd in the CL) last season. This season, with no Saha, and Rooney and Tevez being midgets and poor finishers(this season), his assist tally obviously went down.

As for winning WCs and Copa(Euros), a WC semi and a Euro final is as good as it gets for Portugal, especially given that they are no Brazil historically and have no strikers of note in recent times.