Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[mak9]

And I want Ronaldo to come to the 2007/2008 EPL and score 30 as a 23 year old.

in the 90s shearer had something like 37 goals in 47 games.......guess who was the teenage kid who eclipsed him in the headlines

in fact there was an incident in the ubmro tourney when brazil trashed england and r9 goes to shearer (with age difference of almost 10 years) and offers a hand shake for good sportsmanship....shearer then kicks him in the stomach showing his true colors

[Paul_NL]

The EPL is about twice as good now

[celito]

The EPL is about twice as good now

The bad teams are still pretty damn bad ... did you see both of Ronaldo's goals this past weekend ? In the first one he just strolled into the box without a single challenge. And the second was also terrible marking.

[Massimo_Oddo]

And I am willing to bet that Cristiano has more first and second assists then Ronaldo as well

You'd be surprised.

Cristiano is more of a poacher. He's not even the top assister at his club.

FYI - WC 98, Ronaldo got 4 goals and 4 assists.

[Kulspruta]

And I want Ronaldo to come to the 2007/2008 EPL and score 30 as a 23 year old.
Yeah, because the marking in the EPL is about 100 times better than it was in the spanish league, the videos below are the perfect example.

Here's the best example of the finest defenders in the world in the EPL, making it difficult for Cristiano Ronaldo:
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And here's the poor spanish defending, the only reason why people tought Ronaldo was any good. Note how the players don't even try to pull his shirt or give him little shoulder nudges!
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You're right, Ronaldo clearly wouldn't score in 2007/2008 EPL!

[lanman]

Here's the best example of the finest defenders in the world in the EPL, making it difficult for Cristiano Ronaldo

When did West Ham have the finest defenders in the world?

It's easy to cherry pick examples of good and bad defending from any league.

[Kulspruta]

Oh, so they aren't the finest? Dear me, and here I thought the likes of them were the ones supposed to not let Fat Ronaldo score if he was playing in the EPL! WAKE THE F*CK UP! There are more Westhams and Birminghams, or Boltons and Wigans, than Manchesters and Liverpools in the league.

It's easy to pretend a league only has god-chosen players from a sublime plane or realm of reality, only to promote one of it's players in face of an allegedly world-class opposition.

[lanman]

Oh, so they aren't the finest? Dear me, and here I thought the likes of them were the ones supposed to not let Fat Ronaldo score if he was playing in the EPL! WAKE THE F*CK UP! There are more Westhams and Birminghams, or Boltons and Wigans, than Manchesters and Liverpools in the league.

West Ham were missing both their first choice centre backs for that game and had a 19 year old making only his fourth ever appearance. They also had zero motivation going into that game, settled comfortably in mid table with nothing to play for.
There is no doubting there are some poor defences in England, but it's certainly not a problem unique to that league.

I agree that the Ronaldo of just a couple of years ago would score his fair share in England (never mind in his prime), but you can't simply pull out one example to prove a point.

[AFCA]

Ronaldo hands down (the Brazilian one)

Then, if we start talking Romario, I start wondering... Christiano who?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

in the 90s shearer had something like 37 goals in 47 games.......

You mean an out and out striker might have scored more goals? Shocking stuff. :eek:

[Kulspruta]

What about the best winger in the world having only 4 assists? Shocking stuff. :eek:

lanman, that wasn't one example, it were two. And from the other 28 goals, I'm sure I could still gather quite a lot of these examples. And about the point I'm trying to make, it's just that the EPL isn't all this Paul_NL thinks it is, despite being a great league, specially this season.

[Twix]

What about the best winger in the world having only 4 assists? Shocking stuff. :eek:

Ronaldo's not a winger.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

What about the best winger in the world having only 4 assists? Shocking stuff. :eek:

He has 7 in the league alone and it would have been considerably higher if Man Utd had a striker. He's also not a winger.

[Kulspruta]

Ronaldo's not a winger.
I know, that's the whole point.

He has 7 in the league alone...
Honest mistake, but the point is still there.

...and it would have been considerably higher if Man Utd had a striker.
What the hell? Do you want Man Utd to score 200 goals per season? Funny how people can be so one dimensional about football. With an attacking trident like the one you have you don't need no pole inside the box waiting for the ball to hit him and go into the goal, but if lacking a classical striker fits the argument to promote Cristiano Ronaldo, then I guess I gotta hear it.

[BocaFan]

excuses excuses......

ronaldo at 20 was european player (ballon d'or) of the year and he wasn't even european

he could of won the award when he was 19 but needed just 2 votes

now c. ronaldo who is 23 how many times did he win this award? 0

LOL. Ballon d'or winners?

A more idiotic method to compare players would be difficult to dream up.

[lanman]

A more idiotic method to compare players would be difficult to dream up.

How about a Big Soccer poll?

[lanman]

lanman, that wasn't one example, it were two. And from the other 28 goals, I'm sure I could still gather quite a lot of these examples. And about the point I'm trying to make, it's just that the EPL isn't all this Paul_NL thinks it is, despite being a great league, specially this season.

The problem is that great players can make defenders look awful, and this season Cristiano Ronaldo has been a great player. For Ronaldo's first goal in the clip you posted, he initially gained the ball from two opposition players running into each other. Poor defending is present in every league, and Ronaldo benefitted from it when at Barcelona, but at the same time he produced some extraordinary moments to score. The same applies to Cristiano Ronaldo.

[Massimo_Oddo]

The problem is that great players can make defenders look awful, and this season Cristiano Ronaldo has been a great player. For Ronaldo's first goal in the clip you posted, he initially gained the ball from two opposition players running into each other. Poor defending is present in every league, and Ronaldo benefitted from it when at Barcelona, but at the same time he produced some extraordinary moments to score. The same applies to Cristiano Ronaldo.

tbh i thought Ronaldo's all round play was better last season, whereas this season has not been as good even though his goal tally has been higher. Quite often he scores a goal from a header from a corner or a tap in which papers over an average performance.

[celito]

tbh i thought Ronaldo's all round play was better last season, whereas this season has not been as good even though his goal tally has been higher. Quite often he scores a goal from a header from a corner or a tap in which papers over an average performance.

Last year he had a whole bunch of assists. Wiki says 23 goals with 20 assists overall (17 an 14 in EPL). So from a general point of view, his game was more balanced for a non-striker.

[Paul_NL]

Cristiano has easy around 15 to 20 (creating) assist, even only in the EPL. He easily had a hand in about 60 to 70% of the United goals when he was on the pitch

Ronaldo never did that, not with PSV, not with Barca and not with Inter