Cristiano Ronaldo or Brazilian Ronaldo

[celito]

29, yes I've seen Ronaldo play. I'm not saying R9 wasn't fouled, I'm saying in those highlight vids alot of that stuff could've been negated with a good body check.

As far as the CR/Brazil game goes, I thought that it showed my point. It showed his ability to go on long dribbles blowing by defenders, his ability to dance on the ball, split defenders and make quick decisive passes.

I could post his 40 best goals like everbody does with R9 but what point would that prove, you could probably edit a Landon Donovan vid to make him look legendary.

My point is, your arguments are irrational:

- You say I don't see R9 passing ability, I showed you passing
- You say he is not so great because he didn't score from outside, well ... he could and did score from outside, but being a striker of R9's stype makes you more likely to score from inside the box (look at RVN, Muller)
- You say he can't be a legend because he can't even head the ball ... see Maradona, Zico ...
- You say, look at CR's performance in this video, it proves dribbling, ball control, passing ... he had a pretty good game, but there were no incicive passes in those highlights, only trick passes with good ball skills... and he lost the ball a bunch...
- You say, R9 beat defenders half his size and imply that CR is fouled more ... anybody who saw R9 play know that he was hacked left and right. Or maybe he was just more elusive, faster, and stronger than CR ...

Note that I am not saying who's better, I am just pointing out that your points are invalid.

[Mysterious]

Ronaldo wasn't rubbish that game at all. He was good.

If he doesn't score he's shit.

[celito]

1:10, 1:42, 2:42 are all defenders running into him, the latter two both yellow cards, are you telling me defenders are allowed to use their bodies to bump and obstruct now?

1:10 is debatable ... the defender was in his position and didn't move just to block CR. CR had momentum coming forward ... you want the defender just to step to the side and roll the red carpet ?

The other 2 are regular fouls for players who dribble a lot... not any different than what used to happen with R9.

[Joelzinho]

My point is, your arguments are irrational:

- You say I don't see R9 passing ability, I showed you passing
- You say he is not so great because he didn't score from outside, well ... he could and did score from outside, but being a striker of R9's stype makes you more likely to score from inside the box (look at RVN, Muller)
- You say he can't be a legend because he can't even head the ball ... see Maradona, Zico ...
- You say, look at CR's performance in this video, it proves dribbling, ball control, passing ... he had a pretty good game, but there were no incicive passes in those highlights, only trick passes with good ball skills... and he lost the ball a bunch...
- You say, R9 beat defenders half his size and imply that CR is fouled more ... anybody who saw R9 play know that he was hacked left and right. Or maybe he was just more elusive, faster, and stronger than CR ...

Note that I am not saying who's better, I am just pointing out that your points are invalid.

I got to agree. Ronaldo was fouled just as much as anyone, he just had more of tendency to stay on his feet compared to Cristiano. He did score from far, and had a good shot from distance.

Personally, I think the Brazuca is better, he is a legend, but Ronaldo is making his way, and correct me if I am wrong, but 42 goal in a season is stuff of legends as well.

[JuveFE]

- You say, R9 beat defenders half his size and imply that CR is fouled more ... anybody who saw R9 play know that he was hacked left and right. Or maybe he was just more elusive, faster, and stronger than CR ...

Note that I am not saying who's better, I am just pointing out that your points are invalid.

Till this day I can't remember a guy who protected the ball better than ronaldo. The guy knew how to keep the ball at his feet and new how to use his body to shield a ball better than anybody. It was soo hard to get the ball away from him.


I really don't see how anybody can compare these 2. The way they played the game was completely different.

Don't get me wrong CR is a fantastic player but I don't see why anybody would want to compare him to ronaldo.

[Joelzinho]

Don't get me wrong CR is a fantastic player but I don't see why anybody would want to compare him to ronaldo.

Are you serious? I can give you some reasons why.

1. Both their names are "Ronaldo"

2. One of from Brasil, the other being from Portugal

3. They both are attacking players who enjoy being fintoso.

I can keep going if you want?

[Mysterious]

My point is, your arguments are irrational:

- You say I don't see R9 passing ability, I showed you passing
- You say he is not so great because he didn't score from outside, well ... he could and did score from outside, but being a striker of R9's stype makes you more likely to score from inside the box (look at RVN, Muller)
- You say he can't be a legend because he can't even head the ball ... see Maradona, Zico ...
- You say, look at CR's performance in this video, it proves dribbling, ball control, passing ... he had a pretty good game, but there were no incicive passes in those highlights, only trick passes with good ball skills... and he lost the ball a bunch...
- You say, R9 beat defenders half his size and imply that CR is fouled more ... anybody who saw R9 play know that he was hacked left and right. Or maybe he was just more elusive, faster, and stronger than CR ...

Note that I am not saying who's better, I am just pointing out that your points are invalid.


My point is whenever I argue that Cristiano is a more gifted, well-rounded, versatile player you ride the "R9 was a striker" wave. It's BS. Their isn't one facet in R9's game that Cristiano doesn't posess.

I never said R9 isn't legendary or shouldn't be considered one of the best ever, I'm saying he was one demesnional. Cristiano can consitantley do it with both feet, in the air, from a volley, from range, off a run around two defenders and a keeper. So to use your logic I can discredit everything you give higher marks to R9 for by simply saying "Cristiano is a winger." That's irrational.

Because he's a striker he never had ample opportunities from 25/30 yards out? He never had opportunities to head the ball because he played on ground ball teams? Come on. He didn't take free kicks why? Because these are elements of the game that he didn't master.

[JuveFE]

Are you serious? I can give you some reasons why.
3. They both are attacking players who enjoy being fintoso.

I can keep going if you want?


please do. big deal there both named ronaldo. and big deal one's from brazil and the other portugal. how about comparing the way they play the game? one plays upfront and the other is all over the pitch. one was a true goal scorer and the other can play upfront, on the either wing or in the middle.

so please go ahead and tell how they really compare.

[Mysterious]

JuveFE,

If memory serves Pele/Maradona are compared everyday, people put too much stock in this position shit. If you're an attacking player your job is to put goals on the board either yourself or from the utilization of your teamates. The question is which one is better while accomplishing this. I believe C. Ronaldo, he transcends his position almost to the point you really can't label him as any one specific title.

[Mysterious]

correct me if I am wrong, but 42 goals in a season is stuff of legends as well.

You're wrong, two of those goals were the direct result of him diving in the box and drawing bogus penalties, so by my calculations he should have only had 40... Which we all know is not "legendary."

















I figured I'd get that argument outta the way...;)

[Kulspruta]

What? It was a friendly, and the ball got to its target. If you are going to expect a move or trick come off everytime your delusional. Might as well stop watching and enjoying Ronaldinho and Robinho play as well then.

And Ronaldo played well in that game against Brasil 2 years ago. Brasil had trouble containing him. However, in the most recent matchup, Brasil made Ronaldo look like a little school boy in a different country.



I miss Andrade :(
I don't expect a thing, it wasn't me who used that video as an example though. Believe me, I don't hate Cristiano Ronaldo or anything, I just think that claiming his dribbling is better than Ronaldo's is a joke.

[celito]

My point is whenever I argue that Cristiano is a more gifted, well-rounded, versatile player you ride the "R9 was a striker" wave. It's BS. Their isn't one facet in R9's game that Cristiano doesn't posess.

I never said R9 isn't legendary or shouldn't be considered one of the best ever, I'm saying he was one demesnional. Cristiano can consitantley do it with both feet, in the air, from a volley, from range, off a run around two defenders and a keeper. So to use your logic I can discredit everything you give higher marks to R9 for by simply saying "Cristiano is a winger." That's irrational.

Because he's a striker he never had ample opportunities from 25/30 yards out? He never had opportunities to head the ball because he played on ground ball teams? Come on. He didn't take free kicks why? Because these are elements of the game that he didn't master.

And I quote ....


I thought we were talking the more COMPLETE player... You're saying headers were'nt R9's greatest strength, LMAO, a LEGEND should be able to head the ball ...NO? (see Henry.) Where is the passing? Where are the free kicks?


As for the rest....one-dimensional ??? You have to be kidding. You know ... R9 could finish with both of his feet as well. I showed you he was great passer. He was definitely better at being more direct and running straight at defenders. Even when he slowed down he was able to create space by playing with the defender's balance. His stepovers were more effective.

Think about it ... he scored 319 goals in 451 games (0.7 per game) in a career riddled with injuries that kept him out of play for 2 years in his prime.

As for the shooting from outside aspect ... everybody but you knows he had that ability (as shown by some of this goals), but why should shoot from outside when you can just walk the ball in the goal ;)

[JuveFE]

JuveFE,

people put too much stock in this position shit..


i guess thats my main point. i don't want to stir anything up on here. I just look at CR and his game and don't see the ronaldo comparison.

But you guys go ahead and discuss.

[celito]

I got to agree. Ronaldo was fouled just as much as anyone, he just had more of tendency to stay on his feet compared to Cristiano. He did score from far, and had a good shot from distance.

Personally, I think the Brazuca is better, he is a legend, but Ronaldo is making his way, and correct me if I am wrong, but 42 goal in a season is stuff of legends as well.

No doubt. Last season and the one before were really amazing for CR.

[O Fenômeno]

Are you serious? I can give you some reasons why.

1. Both their names are "Ronaldo"

2. One of from Brasil, the other being from Portugal

3. They both are attacking players who enjoy being fintoso.

I can keep going if you want?


One is ronaldo...the other got his name from Ronald Regan....



Sorry had to cheapshot....:p

[nicephoras]

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